CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[MistyWaters]

I'm not a psychiatrist and can't explain how Nicks psychosis had and has affected him so I can only trust what medical doctors such as Dr. Drew have stated thus far. If this goes to trial, then there will be more doctors and more science. That is what I'm waiting for.

A NGRI plea might not be entered, it’s too soon to know yet. The new PD has to review all the evidence. One important detail is what NRs drug test upon his arrest revealed.

If no NGRI plea then the trial will solely focus on if NR is guilty or not guilty as he would be considered to have been legally sane when he allegedly committed the murders. . Mental illness and/or drug addiction could be a factor only during the sentencing phase, assuming he's convicted.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

A) he doesn't think normally? B) personality conflict C) Nick doesn't agree that he's the best defense attorney in the USA D) Nick doesn't want to plead NGRI. E) firing your attorney as a delaying tactic. Could be any/all of those, or none. We just don't know whose decision it was for Jackson to leave the case and the reason why- to me it's unlikely Jackson left because of the money, but possible, so it's either Nick's decision, or the judges.

I could definitely imagine a personality conflict. I don’t imagine AJ would tolerate lies and manipulation.
JMO

 

[outback]

I could definitely imagine a personality conflict. I don’t imagine AJ would tolerate lies and manipulation.
JMO

He's an attorney. He probably deals with it constantly.

Jmo

 

[IQuestion]

Emphasis mine.
I certainly agree with the bolded.
If the decision is to place him in a mental institution or assisted living, they'd be wise to keep him for the remainder of his life, because if he was released, he might go back to his former ways.

As far as the previous $70,000 facilities, I'd imagine at that price that they're competently managed/operated, and if Nick wished to better himself, he had ample opportunities to do so ?

No one said they were trying to 'wish his illness away' ?
His actions speak for themselves ; again some of his decisions post-murder seem to indicate he planned and even possibly premeditated the killings ?
IF he'd remained at the house and not attempted to clean up and had left the murder weapon in the house in plain sight, it would look as if he was indeed insane.

I wish we could know what the interactions between Nick and his former lawyer were in regards to Alan Jackson stepping down it might make things more clear ?
Here's a thought, did Nick for some reason not want A. Jackson to represent him ?
Just a thought.
Imo.

Snipped for focus: If the decision is to place him in a mental institution or assisted living, they'd be wise to keep him for the remainder of his life, because if he was released, he might go back to his former ways.
Nick Reiner's M.O. is not compliance. His M.O. is defiance. He scopes out the situation and pushes all the right buttons. When he doesn't get his way, he escalates the argument, then escalating property damage, then physical intimidation and then ultimately injuring the people who stand in his way. I bet all those "rehab facilities" had some really big/strong males on every shift & floor and they didn't put up with his antics. Just because someone has mental health issues or even "lower IQ's" doesn't mean they aren't capable of great manipulations. If your child whines and never cleans their bedroom....do you still give them their allowance at the end of the week? The parent who still hands out the money without compliance only instills the notion "whining" wins or IMO No surprise The Strong Willed Child was a best seller, huh? But, I digress.
He isn't a child anymore. Eighteen stints in "rehab"--thousands in property damage and now stabbing two senior citizens to death. Does anyone really have any doubt he will "go back to his former ways???" I don't.

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

I could definitely imagine a personality conflict. I don’t imagine AJ would tolerate lies and manipulation.
JMO

He's probably tolerant of distorted truths and manipulation in himself, being a lawyer!

 

[BUF]

Now the latest from TMZ….no surprise….

Nick Reiner May Have Been on Meth When He Killed His Parents, '2 Angry Men' Podcast

Nick Reiner's murderous rampage that resulted in the horrific death of his parents may have been fueled by more than mental illness -- meth may have played a big factor.

www.tmz.com

 

[Sundog]

Am not feeling sympathy for him, but that's just how I view this case.
I feel for two people who were flawed humans like the rest of us, but did what they could to help him, right up to the end of their lives !


He was an injustice collector and the system didn't fail him, his parents didn't fail him, and society in general didn't fail him.

<Snipped for focus>

Well said.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

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I didn't say he was schizophrenic. I said he had mental illness. Yes he was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. Harold Mullins was the one I mentioned with schizophrenia.

Antisocial personality disorder isn't considered a mental illness by legal standards. The DSM is very strict about this. There's a disclaimer in the book itself saying that the disorders listed should not be used forensically and that's especially true with personality disorders.

My experience as a physician, not a lawyer.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

How do we know NR’s mental illness wasn’t treated in a $70000 treatment facility? Nothing I’ve read suggested he truly worked at recovering from his drug addiction.

Like the chicken and the egg, mental illness and drug addiction, which is dealt with first?

JMO

I think this is multilayered and impossible for any of us to know without the facts.

The truth is that drug addiction mimics organic mental illness that may not exist. If someone is perpetually using drugs, they may very well carry a diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or even anxiety and depression that truly doesn't exist outside drug use. The reverse is also true in that people with these disorders organically will self-medicate to make themselves feel better. And then you have no idea whether they have the disorder or not. So, what you do first is detox, followed by rehab. It's only after a sustained period of sobriety that someone can be accurately evaluated for organic mental illness.

If these places were worth their cash-pay salt, then detox, followed by rehab, followed by residential program would be done so that he could emerge with an accurate diagnosis. That is one thing that people with money will get while those using insurance are often only covered for the detox and short rehab stay.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I'm not a psychiatrist and can't explain how Nicks psychosis had and has affected him so I can only trust what medical doctors such as Dr. Drew have stated thus far. If this goes to trial, then there will be more doctors and more science. That is what I'm waiting for.

Be careful there though. Dr. Drew, like Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil is not respected within the field. He was at one time, but that changed. When these doctors get their own shows and brand their personalities, somewhere along the way, they neglect their medical knowledge to appeal to the masses.

MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Now the latest from TMZ….no surprise….

Nick Reiner May Have Been on Meth When He Killed His Parents, '2 Angry Men' Podcast

Nick Reiner's murderous rampage that resulted in the horrific death of his parents may have been fueled by more than mental illness -- meth may have played a big factor.

www.tmz.com

It could explain why he was found there at Expo Park to score more meth.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I think this is multilayered and impossible for any of us to know without the facts.

The truth is that drug addiction mimics organic mental illness that may not exist. If someone is perpetually using drugs, they may very well carry a diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or even anxiety and depression that truly doesn't exist outside drug use. The reverse is also true in that people with these disorders organically will self-medicate to make themselves feel better. And then you have no idea whether they have the disorder or not. So, what you do first is detox, followed by rehab. It's only after a sustained period of sobriety that someone can be accurately evaluated for organic mental illness.

If these places were worth their cash-pay salt, then detox, followed by rehab, followed by residential program would be done so that he could emerge with an accurate diagnosis. That is one thing that people with money will get while those using insurance are often only covered for the detox and short rehab stay.

So if I understood this correctly, if NR was using drugs when he was arrested, how long would it take those drugs to exit his system in jail? If those drugs are no longer in his system now, if he is truly schizophrenic or has schizoaffective disorder, this will be evident by psychiatric experts correct?

 

[MistyWaters]

So if I understood this correctly, if NR was using drugs when he was arrested, how long would it take those drugs to exit his system in jail? If those drugs are no longer in his system now, if he is truly schizophrenic or has schizoaffective disorder, this will be evident by psychiatric experts correct?

If it’s true that NR’s murderous rampage was caused by meth, he wouldn’t be eligible for a NGRI defence. If he’s found guilty I don’t have a clue how prisons deal with their mentally ill patients but apparently it’s a significant percentage.
JMO

 

[tigerlily96]

IMO
this person is severely mentally ill,
and his condition has manifested itself since childhood.
He seems unable to lead a normal, independent life,
(school, job, starting his own family)
and had always been dependent on parents.

What exactly would be the motive
if he was treated as sane?

I suspect delusions, hallucinations, paranoid psychosis
(especially as his meds were being changed).

IMO
his place is in a psychiatric facility, possibly for life.

That is my AMATEUR Opinion.
(As I'm not a MH specialist)

But really,
all I read about this tragedy confirms my view on this case more & more.

JMO

This is exactly how I see it

 

[Betty P]

Am not feeling sympathy for him, but that's just how I view this case.
I feel for two people who were flawed humans like the rest of us, but did what they could to help him, right up to the end of their lives !

Flawed human beings? They were two kind, compassionate people who were accomplished and successful in their professional fields. According to public record and their friends, they were charitable people who didn't hesitate to help those who needed it. While one child had mental illness, they raised him to the best of their ability. The fact that they were good parents is evident in how well their other two children grew and developed to lead productive, healthy lives.

JMO, but I'm not seeing anything about them to indicate they were "flawed" people. JMO

 

[Jade]

I don't think anyone can deny NR was a very ill person

But I suppose is it a question of did he know what he did was wrong

Isn't that what a NGRI boils down to ?

Having a shower and changing out of his clothes and heading out in his car ,going to the garage to buy a drink indicates to me a lack of emotional connection to what he had done

But is concealing a weapon indicating that despite a lack of emotional connect he knew it was wrong and he could get into trouble for killing his parents

May I ask what link the concealing a weapon comes from?

I’ve goggled but I’m not on a good device for searching well at the moment.

This is all I could find:

…
Hochman refused to answer whether the murder weapon has been recovered.
…
People.com/rob-Reiner-killed-with-a-knife-da-confirms-11870731


I’m curious as to the manner of concealment and location of the concealment of the knife and wonder if a link to this much discussed information on this thread could be provided for the temporarily web surfing challenged like myself.

All imo

 

[su5ie]

May I ask what link the concealing a weapon comes from?

I’ve goggled but I’m not on a good device for searching well at the moment.

This is all I could find:

…
Hochman refused to answer whether the murder weapon has been recovered.
…
People.com/rob-Reiner-killed-with-a-knife-da-confirms-11870731


I’m curious as to the manner of concealment and location of the concealment of the knife and wonder if a link to this much discussed information on this thread could be provided for the temporarily web surfing challenged like myself.

All imo

I used the wrong word when using concealment, I suppose the word I should have used was disposition or dispossession of the knife .I apologise

The article you link is the only one I can find that mentions the weapon in msm atm

If I am truthful and honest I was jumping to conclusions

I will look into it further though and I do think it was mentioned around the time that the knife had yet to be located

 

[Chimera]

Flawed human beings? They were two kind, compassionate people who were accomplished and successful in their professional fields. According to public record and their friends, they were charitable people who didn't hesitate to help those who needed it. While one child had mental illness, they raised him to the best of their ability. The fact that they were good parents is evident in how well their other two children grew and developed to lead productive, healthy lives.

JMO, but I'm not seeing anything about them to indicate they were "flawed" people. JMO

It looks like you misunderstood or misquoted my comment.
I never said they were flawed as in they did something wrong.

From my comment : ".....I feel for two people who were flawed humans like the rest of us, but did what they could to help him, right up to the end of their lives !..."

What I was trying to say was they weren't perfect, as am myself and every other human being.
No one is perfect.
They tried and did what they could and spent enormous amounts of their own money to help him.

The testimony of their shocked and saddened friends speaks volumes as to their character, not to mention the legacy they left in the entertainment world.
One actor said their popular show would not have existed had it not been for Rob's insistence that it should run ?
I think it was Seinfeld ?

Jerry Seinfeld Mourns Rob Reiner, Says ‘Seinfeld’ Would ‘Have Never Happened’ Without His Support: ‘He Saved Us From Cancellation’

Jerry Seinfeld has paid tribute to Rob Reiner following the beloved filmmaker's shocking murder alongside his wife Michele Reiner on Sunday

variety.com

So many benefitted from his and Michele's hard work.

Rob and Michele didn't deserve their fate at all and it saddens me that they were denied their long and peaceful golden years together.
Not to mention the loss their other adult children have to deal with.
It staggers the mind.
Jmo.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

So if I understood this correctly, if NR was using drugs when he was arrested, how long would it take those drugs to exit his system in jail? If those drugs are no longer in his system now, if he is truly schizophrenic or has schizoaffective disorder, this will be evident by psychiatric experts correct?

That's complicated. How long the drugs will remain in his system depends on which drugs he used and how quickly he metabolizes them. But regardless, there has to be a prolonged period of sobriety to make a diagnosis, but even then, there are other considerations. So for example, if someone is off drugs/substances (including cigarettes, marijuana, and alcohol) for a year and in that time, they never have a psychotic episode, that doesn't mean they don't have schizophrenia. But if they're off substances for a year and in month 8, they have a psychotic episode, you can then definitively diagnose a psychotic disorder, whether it's schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder or some other psychotic disorder.

The issue in this case is that I'm not hearing of prolonged sobriety in NR with related mental health issues. I could have missed it.

 

[su5ie]

It looks like you misunderstood or misquoted my comment.
I never said they were flawed as in they did something wrong.

From my comment : ".....I feel for two people who were flawed humans like the rest of us, but did what they could to help him, right up to the end of their lives !..."

What I was trying to say was they weren't perfect, as am myself and every other human being.
No one is perfect.
They tried and did what they could and spent enormous amounts of their own money to help him.

The testimony of their shocked and saddened friends speaks volumes as to their character, not to mention the legacy they left in the entertainment world.
One actor said their popular show would not have existed had it not been for Rob's insistence that it should run ?
I think it was Seinfeld ?

Jerry Seinfeld Mourns Rob Reiner, Says ‘Seinfeld’ Would ‘Have Never Happened’ Without His Support: ‘He Saved Us From Cancellation’

Jerry Seinfeld has paid tribute to Rob Reiner following the beloved filmmaker's shocking murder alongside his wife Michele Reiner on Sunday

variety.com

So many benefitted from his and Michele's hard work.

Rob and Michele didn't deserve their fate at all and it saddens me that they were denied their long and peaceful golden years together.
Not to mention the loss their other adult children have to deal with.
It staggers the mind.
Jmo.

To err is to be human ;to forgive divine
Meaning all humans make mistakes
And the Reiners are no different, my understanding is that is what you meant @Chimera

To place them on an ethereal pedestal is dehumanising . They made mistakes but isn't that how we all learn and we see that by how hard they tried with Nick and some efforts failed even Rob stated that .

Mistakes were made with Nick by his parents and most likely others do those errors mean they should have known what was coming , it certainly does not because the reiners also seemed to abide by the second part of the quote ' to forgive divine " so they tried their best but they were flawed in a human sense of the word