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"a source close to the family says"....

I think I'll pass on that rumor. These keep changing all the time. First, the family hired the guy, but he quit over money. Next he quit because the family wasn't going to spend money to hire Jackson. Now the family is upset that he just quit for some reason and wants him to come back?

Just made-up stories to get clicks. JMO of course.
 
  • #2,623
He's an attorney. He probably deals with it constantly.

Jmo
Yet Kirk Nurmi hated Jodi Arias, but was forced to stay on her case and defend her.
 
  • #2,624
He's probably tolerant of distorted truths and manipulation in himself, being a lawyer!
I had a good friend who was a defense attorney. She told me that they don't ask their clients if they are guilty.
 
  • #2,625
"a source close to the family says"....

I think I'll pass on that rumor. These keep changing all the time. First, the family hired the guy, but he quit over money. Next he quit because the family wasn't going to spend money to hire Jackson. Now the family is upset that he just quit for some reason and wants him to come back?

Just made-up stories to get clicks. JMO of course.

I think all we really know at this point regarding Jackson is what we have seen publicly.

He accepted Nick’s case, then rejected Nick’s case, and upon both accepting and rejecting he made sure to be in front of the cameras.

We really don’t know who hired him and for whatever reasons he quit. Maybe grandiose reasons, maybe trivial. Maybe a difference of opinion with Nick, maybe the family didn’t want to pay.

Maybe he thought he’d have a tough time winning the case because the victims were so famous and beloved.

Maybe he really relished grabbing the new case he landed with another rich kid defendant, whose victims are more anonymous.

All of it so far is maybe, maybe, maybe.

JMO
 
  • #2,626
Bbm.
Re. the bolded, I think there is a valid fear that Nick could be released if placed in an assisted living facility or a mental health hospital ?
Imo, he could be dangerous even if stabilized and taking his proper, prescribed meds.

IF he's released (& that is a BIG IF) will his siblings be asked to house him ?
What if he relapsed ?
So many concerns if he's placed in a hospital, with an eye towards rehabilitation.

This discussion is about Nick and this crime, alone.
I do think at this time it was a crime, and not a blackout where he didn't know what he was doing, etc.
Imo.
I don't see any possible way that he's placed in either an Assisted Living situation or even more unthinkable- with his siblings. They are victims of this crime too. They lost their parents due to him.
 
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I think all we really know at this point regarding Jackson is what we have seen publicly.

He accepted Nick’s case, then rejected Nick’s case, and upon both accepting and rejecting he made sure to be in front of the cameras.

We really don’t know who hired him and for whatever reasons he quit. Maybe grandiose reasons, maybe trivial. Maybe a difference of opinion with Nick, maybe the family didn’t want to pay.

Maybe he thought he’d have a tough time winning the case because the victims were so famous and beloved.

Maybe he really relished grabbing the new case he landed with another rich kid defendant, whose victims are more anonymous.

All of it so far is maybe, maybe, maybe.

JMO
Or maybe the judge orderered him off the case. That's what everybody seems to keep ignoring. It's entirely possible that Jackson had a conflict of interest if he previously represented Rob, just like with Donna Adelson and Rashbaum in Florida. And FYI, I DO think Jackson is a showboater.
 
  • #2,628
"a source close to the family says"....

I think I'll pass on that rumor. These keep changing all the time. First, the family hired the guy, but he quit over money. Next he quit because the family wasn't going to spend money to hire Jackson. Now the family is upset that he just quit for some reason and wants him to come back?

Just made-up stories to get clicks. JMO of course.

Or part of legal strategy? This is a very high profile case. Maybe they're intentionally leaking a counter for everything to keep the public confused to mitigate damaging public opinion.

MOO.
 
  • #2,629
I think all we really know at this point regarding Jackson is what we have seen publicly.

He accepted Nick’s case, then rejected Nick’s case, and upon both accepting and rejecting he made sure to be in front of the cameras.

We really don’t know who hired him and for whatever reasons he quit. Maybe grandiose reasons, maybe trivial. Maybe a difference of opinion with Nick, maybe the family didn’t want to pay.

Maybe he thought he’d have a tough time winning the case because the victims were so famous and beloved.

Maybe he really relished grabbing the new case he landed with another rich kid defendant, whose victims are more anonymous.

All of it so far is maybe, maybe, maybe.

JMO
For some reason, I've never followed a trial that he was involved in, so I'm glad to get the views of all of you who have.
 
  • #2,630
I don't see any possible way that he's placed in either an Assisted Living situation or even more unthinkable- with his siblings. They are victims of this crime too. They lost their parents due to him.

It was really sad when the siblings said that not only were they our parents, they were our best friends. Seems like they were a real close family, with the exception of Nick.
 
  • #2,631
I am not sure which anonymous source close to the investigation I believe. In my mind, both are valid possibilities. She either told them he was "dangerous" or she didn't but without knowing who is behind all these anonymous tidbits being tossed out to the various media outlets it is impossible to determine which thing is true. MOO
I think she must have said something about her brother to LE that night. Obviously, as he lived there and was not home at the time, LE is going to ask her --->>who else lived here--->>>Oh, your brother? , Ok, tell me more....

So she would have no choice but to say that her brother had previous drug problems and had mental health issues...

But I think her people, her attorney or PR people are now putting out reports saying " His sister did not tell police Nick was a suspect" for two reasons:

---It might hurt him during a trial that his sister would say that?
---She might not want Nick to think she said that, if the family wants him to be more compliant and cooperative ?
 
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Domestic abuse can be physical, mental, economic or sexual.

It’s an overall term that includes DV and relates to the body of the post I replied to that said NR probably had threatened to kill many times and probably planned it long term and the Reiners portrayed as no way to escape him despite reports to their dedication of resources for NR and the family.

That they were numbly abused by instead of knowingly, by choice, part of their disturbed son’s life.

I believe the charge is two accounts of first degree murder.



All imo


I think what I actually said was 'maybe' and 'possibly' and 'may well have'.

And MOO.

ETA: Didn't mean to sound definitive. Of course nothing is certain.
 
  • #2,634
Since this article describes Romy as so distraught after finding her father that she had her roommate call 911 I suspect the roommate, the reporting person, helped meet responding officers at the home.

The roommate with her helicopter view, not the Reiner family view, I believe succinctly summed up the situation for the officers as she sees it; Nick is dangerous.

Romy had "fled the house" called Billy Crystal finding out about her Mother from emergency responders when she returned.

This Guardian article is a summary of the New York Times article which is behind a paywall for non subscribers.

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The therapist contacted their daughter Romy Reiner, who lives nearby, who entered the house and found Rob Reiner’s body. The Times said that Romy “fled the house in anguish” without realizing that her mother’s body was also inside, and that her roommate, who had accompanied her, called 911. Emergency responders then discovered Michele Singer Reiner’s body.
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The person quoted by the Times also disputed several details that had previously been reported. He said that Romy had told emergency responders that Nick lived in a guesthouse on the property but did not name him as a potential suspect at that time.
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The source also disputed widely reported suggestions that Rob and Michele Singer Reiner had been particularly “apprehensive” over Nick’s behavior in recent weeks, saying the family were “accustomed to working through [Nick’s] problems together”.
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The source said that while he was not in a position to say whether Rob had “rebuked” his son for disruptive behavior at the party, suggestions the pair had a “heated argument” were not correct.
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Accompanied by a roommate, Romy went to open the gate and check on her parents, where she found her father deceased. She quickly fled the house, had her roommate call 911, and reached out to Rob's longtime friend, Billy Crystal.
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Rob Reiner's Daughter Had No Idea Her Mom Was Dead After Discovering Dad's Body, Family Friend Reveals

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Crystal and David were spotted separately at the Reiner's’ home on Sunday, where a neighbor told ABC 7 Los Angeles that Crystal “looked like he was about to cry” while visiting. Both stars stayed briefly before leaving, according to TMZ.
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Crystal’s rep denied reports that he saw the Reiner's’ bodies during his visit, saying that Crystal and his wife were not allowed that close to the residence.
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Imo, Romy was so traumatized at the time she didn’t know what to think having found her father dead then the news that her mother is dead also. I think she would be still be in a paralyzing state of disbelief.

all imo
 
  • #2,635
at some point, regardless of who called 911, as the person who made the awful discovery of body/bodies, Romy would be the person interviewed by LE. MOO and again, I would not be surprised if she did indicate that her brother who resided on the property was in a mental health crisis or might be "dangerous". We will not likely know the truth of this matter until trial. Until then, either version of Romy told LE dangerous or that didn't happen is as viable as the other.
 
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at some point, regardless of who called 911, as the person who made the awful discovery of body/bodies, Romy would be the person interviewed by LE. MOO and again, I would not be surprised if she did indicate that her brother who resided on the property was in a mental health crisis or might be "dangerous". We will not likely know the truth of this matter until trial. Until then, either version of Romy told LE dangerous or that didn't happen is as viable as the other.

I actually know that Romy would be asked questions by LE both at the active scene and later.

Did I give the impression that I thought Romy would not be interviewed or that she wouldn’t be honest with investigators immediately?



My opinion was that the roommate being a friend and neighbor knew of the problems of the family; had an immediate thought and served the Nick tea to the responding authorities while RR was still processing the event.





All imo
 
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Imo-- am still in a state of shock over all of this, and esp. their daughter finding Rob.
Brutal beyond imagination.
Hope the innocent siblings are doing as well as they can.

Don't know if we'll ever know the 'whys' ?
And even if Nick were to say it, coming from a killer's mouth is going to be extremely dubious, JMO !
Maybe he had lucid days where he knew he needed to get serious help, and perhaps on other days he blamed those closest to him.
I feel for everyone in his immediate circle who withstood years of his issues and the resulting behavior.
Omo.
 
  • #2,638
I actually know that Romy would be asked questions by LE both at the active scene and later.

Did I give the impression that I thought Romy would not be interviewed or that she wouldn’t be honest with investigators immediately?



My opinion was that the roommate being a friend and neighbor knew of the problems of the family; had an immediate thought and served the Nick tea to the responding authorities while RR was still processing the event.





All imo
I guess I am confused as to why you appear to have taken my opinion post as being critical of yours or argumentative?

As mine said, in the absence of evidence, it is entirely possible things happened as you theorized. Just as it is also entirely possible that things happened as TMZ initially described. In other words, your theory is just as valid as mine. Did I give you the impression I was arguing with you or personalizing in my post?
 
  • #2,639
I guess I am confused as to why you appear to have taken my opinion post as being critical of yours or argumentative?

As mine said, in the absence of evidence, it is entirely possible things happened as you theorized. Just as it is also entirely possible that things happened as TMZ initially described. In other words, your theory is just as valid as mine. Did I give you the impression I was arguing with you or personalizing in my post?

I’m sorry that I misunderstood the post.

I did try back up my opinion with updated reputable msm links and quotes.

Please accept my apologies for getting froggy with my reply.



all imo
 
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I’m sorry that I misunderstood the post.

I did try back up my opinion with updated reputable msm links and quotes.

Please accept my apologies for getting froggy with my reply.



all imo
NO worries whatsoever. I wasn't in any way trying to be argumentative or dismissive. you've shared links to why you theorize as you do and I've shared mine supporting my own theory. Either of us could be correct or not. Sorry if you felt I was picking at you that was not my intent.
 

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