CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

[oceanblueeyes]

The police referred to it as a "guest" bedroom.

I can't understand why they wouldn't talk about who sent the message to RN's voicemail - the last one she listened to. They claim it was erased and that they couldn't retrieve it. But Rebecca's family said the message was from JS. Why not mention that at the PC today? If they knew the call was from his phone, why not retrieve the message from his? So many questions.

Judging from the LE hedging, they possibly fear JS and go out of their way to avoid linking him to RN's death in any way. IMO.

I think LE did know it came from Jonah and he is the one that told him he called her to let her know that Max had taken a turn for the worse. LE could also establish he made the call by checking his cell phone records but I imagine he had already told LE when he last tried to make contact with Rebecca.

IMO

 

[Curious Me]

I guess they can't get old prints left on the rope from the garage, or was RZ the only one that ever touched that rope, that knife, that paintbrush. Nothing is iron clad or conclusive, IMO. There are not enough answers in this case and it should be reopened, again IMO.

The pictures are better here though - http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

 

[jjenny]

I sure wonder what was in that message. Who erased it? It appears she did not have suicidal plans prior to getting it, as she talked with her sister and was making all kind of plans for the future. Then she gets the message and supposedly goes off the deep end.

 

[scorekeeper]

The large object they took out that was covered - we thought or was told by media that it was a large picture frame or mirror - could that have been the door?

 

[katydid23]

I sure wonder what was in that message. Who erased it? It appears she did not have suicidal plans prior to getting it, as she talked with her sister and was making all kind of plans for the future. Then she gets the message and supposedly goes off the deep end.

Here is my guess. We will all know eventually I suppose. But my guess is that Jonah called to say that Max was going to be taken off life support. And being a normal, imperfect and emotional father, he my well have said something cruel to her about not taking good enough care of his son that day.

If so, she probably erased it herself. Right before she went looking for the rope.

 

[SunnieRN]

In my original posts based on out of focus and blurred photos I presumed the blue thing around her neck was a blue scarf.

Now that we know it was a blue t-shirt I have to ask the question why was it there? Was it her nightgown which was pulled up around her neck? Was it there to soften the cut of the rope?

The photos of that room and the objects carefully numbered are bizarre to say the least .. and one further question. Did we get an answer to why the rug was rolled up and hauled away, and what about the large framed object that was removed from the house?

The LE team confirmed that the object was the door and they did say there was paint on the carpet, but I don't remember hearing why carpet was removed.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I know to the average person who is lucky enough to not have a reason to be versed on suicidal behaviour, Rebecca's manner of death doesn't make sense. But unfortunately, to someone like me who has lost a friend to a violent suicide, also female, there is 'logic' to the senseless act.

I read that Rebecca was described as 'modest' which seems to contradict her taking her life naked. To me it seems a self-effacing act of humility.

I googled and found a doctor's analysis on it: http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/reprint/36/2/240.pdf

'In severely depressed individuals, a naked suicide
may be an expression of vulnerability, utter despair,
desolation, and worthlessness

My lovely friend Rosemary jumped to her death, and in the weeks and days leading to her death she shed herself of most adornments - nail polish, jewelry, make-up... I don't think that it was entirely part of her hidden depression; even the clothes she changed into before she left for the bridge were non-descript and humble.

Rebecca tying her feet and hands indicate to me that she had put some thought and research into her death, although she also acted on impulse (the scene and her 'death note' in paint seemed chaotic). She knew that despite her intentions, she would instinctively try to save herself once she was close to death.

I know that no one who loves her wants to believe that she took her own life - it's unthinkable. I can tell you it's almost unbearable, but Rebecca sounds a lot like my late friend: a perfectionist, a sensitive woman who kept her private struggles to herself, only to be exposed very publicly, humiliatingly, at the end.

I hope anyone who is also fighting to live might learn from Rebecca's death, and realize they're not alone, it can get better, and keep trying to get help and support because your life is worth it.

Rest in peace Rebecca.

 

[Paladine]

My 2 Cents for the record: I do not believe this was a suicide no matter what else anyone says.

 

[deanna82437]

It's immaterial at this point, but I recall someone upthread saying the railing on the stairs where MS fell was only 20" in one place. I don't see where this picture reflects that. Am I wrong? Or maybe have just read too much today and been awake too many hours!

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms03.jpg

 

[SunnieRN]

Deanna, I can not see where that would be the case either. I didn't see that on any of the puctures. It appears to be a standard staircase, with a standard bannister.

 

[katydid23]

My 2 Cents for the record: I do not believe this was a suicide no matter what else anyone says.

I understand that. But I have known personally of three suicides in my lifetime. And almost none of the families of the suicidal subjects ever accepted it was a suicide. A friend of my older brothers, a neighbor, and a girl my daughters age, one jumped off the Golden Gate bridge, two were hangings, and nobody in any of the families wanted to accept they were suicides.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's immaterial at this point, but I recall someone upthread saying the railing on the stairs where MS fell was only 20" in one place. I don't see where this picture reflects that. Am I wrong? Or maybe have just read too much today and been awake too many hours!

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms03.jpg

I was the one who posted that, deanna. That was said in the PC.

IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz-nebr.jpg

#32 red stain
#34 - towel

I wonder why these items were found outside in the hall?

Where the red stain was found....is that the carpet piece they took out?

Did someone hear JS leave the message on RN's phone? Did someone go to the house to make RN pay for Maxie's condition/death?

If RN got the message at 1:50 and her estimated time of death was 3:00 am.....she was a very busy lady and handy with knots but took time to write the message in block letters?

I am having a hard time buying what LE is selling....

She saved him...can he save her....did Charlie Manson get out of prison?????

 

[sdcali]

Didn't I read earlier today that there was other DNA on the rope, but LE could not identify it? Perhaps that came from the family.

I would think that the rope would have multiple DNA on it. Unless it were brand new. I think I read the same thing deanna...I think it was earlier today after the PC.

 

[SunnieRN]

Also, as was mentioned in a post on this page - that quickly disappeared (odd), rebecca's sister spoke about blood at the scene on Rebecca's body (down her leg I believe the sister said). How could LE have NOT mentioned that today? I have read about involuntary bowel discharge upon death; but how about blood? The main thing: how could LE fail to even mention this? Or did I just miss it?

This is very much another concern in my mind. LR stated there was no sexual assault, more than once. They stated there were scratches from the plants, more than once. They never even once mentioned blood on her legs.

So, why might it have been there? A cut while cutting rope? Seems like an odd spot for it, as the blood was such that MZ asked if RZ was on her period. Was it from self mutilation? This would have been a significant finding and I can't see LE not mentioning this, if they thought it was a purposeful self inflicted wound.

Any ideas anyone?

 

[SunnieRN]

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz-nebr.jpg

#32 red stain
#34 - towel

I wonder why these items were found outside in the hall?

Where the red stain was found....is that the carpet piece they took out?

Did someone hear JS leave the message on RN's phone? Did someone go to the house to make RN pay for Maxie's condition/death?

If RN got the message at 1:50 and her estimated time of death was 3:00 am.....she was a very busy lady and handy with knots but took time to write the message in block letters?

I am having a hard time buying what LE is selling....

She saved him...can he save her....did Charlie Manson get out of prison?????

Hmmm, so she bled outside the room, but no blood was found where she sat to tie her feet, after she cut the rope? I would think she would have had to sit down to tie up her feet, thereby leaving a blood stain of some kind on the bedroom carpet.

Not sure I'm understanding this.

 

[Pach]

My interpretation of this message is like this:

1.) A woman(Rebecca?) saved Mr. S(implying that his life-emotional or whatever was not doing well before he met her) so now, can Mr. S save Rebecca ? in other words this sounds like a taunting message directed at Mr. S.

2.) or it could mean that I(Rebecca) saved you, can you(Mr. S) save me ?

in fairness, either 1 or 2 is possible

Anyone have any other idea on the message ?

Rebecca's sister on Dr Drew states the message on the door read: "She saved him, can he save her?" In block letters. Very odd.

 

[sdcali]

I have looked at the photos and PPT. The PPT of the room says nothing else was disturbed but in the photo, I saw a wicker chair overturned. That was not mentioned.

I also have a big problem with the bootprint. One bootprint? Left or right? It was a giant step to that spot and just seemed weird to me.

The disturbance of dust on the railing was 11 inches. If she were pressed over the railing, her body's weight would spread wider on the railing. How tiny was she? How tall was the railing. What part of her body touched the railing?

My brain is going overtime with questions. There are too many unanswered.

 

[Pach]

the evidence can support the suicide contention of the LE ,but it is not convincing. if LE wanted to be intellectually honest, they should have said, the evidence points to a sucide, but is not conclusive enough to rule out homicide.

I have looked at the photos and PPT. The PPT of the room says nothing else was disturbed but in the photo, I saw a wicker chair overturned. That was not mentioned.

I also have a big problem with the bootprint. One bootprint? Left or right? It was a giant step to that spot and just seemed weird to me.

The disturbance of dust on the railing was 11 inches. If she were pressed over the railing, her body's weight would spread wider on the railing. How tiny was she? How tall was the railing. What part of her body touched the railing?

My brain is going overtime with questions. There are too many unanswered.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Deanna, I can not see where that would be the case either. I didn't see that on any of the puctures. It appears to be a standard staircase, with a standard bannister.

It sure does.

I don't see how a 6-year-old could go flying over that railing, even with a running start.

Seeing this photo bolsters my original theory: either planking or some other form of horseplay at that railing with a sibling.