CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

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  • #761
yet is it worth thinking about it this way: if someone wanted to make one think the knots were fashioned by someone who knows nothing about it, nor a sensible way to go about offing ones-self, that person could purposely stage the scene that way. (So, the knots were made by someone who knew knots and also was trying to stage "not knowing knots"....hehe, I know, under this kind of infinite counterfeit theorizing, almost no deduced fact can ever be known or verifiable. Conspiracy theorists may like this style of rumination.......)

Goods points and well taken!

Your points then lead me to issues of time. If this was murder and time was of the essence, inefficient and intentionally sloppy time-consuming knot tying would take valuable time.

More time away from wherever one was expected to be would be obvious to those that were there and waiting.
 
  • #762
I disagree. The bed obviously held up just fine. I am not so sure it's lightweight, especially with the mattresses on top.

It was said to have been pulled away from the wall.

RN was said to have weighed 100 lbs.
 
  • #763
It was said to have been pulled away from the wall.

RN was said to have weighed 100 lbs.

It didn't break and the deed was accomplished. I presume the railing on the balcony was rejected as too flimsy? If RN did this, she appears to have had the presence of mind to figure out all these details.
 
  • #764
  • #765
Perhaps your sophistication in knots and tie-ing methods makes it seem like a simple matter. But would a "civilian" knotter really know about sequential knotting and looping to adjust rope lengths - and if that's what she was doing was she also measuring lengths from bed to balcony to rail to ground, and then re-sliding the loops for adjustment? At the least she would have to have more than an arbitrary acquaintance with knotting techniques, or she just got lucky. To ensure a proper hold, an unsophisticated knotter it would seem to me would multiply over-tie and make a real tangle of knots if they didn't know what they were doing but wanted to make sure. This knotting on the bedpost looks more well-planned and orderly than that. So the question would be: did Rebecca have a basic acquaintance with knotting techniques. The folks to ask would be the family. It sounds like LE was perhaps not including them very much in the investigation, rather going on their own hunches and assumptions and discarding questions that went contrary to their strongly held theses (LE offered no knotting analysis at their presentation btw). I don't know for sure that the Zahau's were left out, but the quotes in the papers make Rebecca's sister sound like she felt brushed aside. I agree that the Zahau's should have had their own representation during the autopsy and investigation. It sounds like the head guy from San Diego went to them at the beginning and assured them no stone would go unturned and they believed him, and remained passive. Not the best move, looking back.

Thank you, you were much more articulate than I was in my explanation. :)
 
  • #766
Did LE release any images showing the knots on Rebecca's ankles?

Also, are there any still images of the knots on her wrist?

Thanks
 
  • #767
I agree, but I think you missed the point I was making.

Everything about this suicide appears to be very well thought out. Nothing appears to be left to chance. The hands, the feet, the gag, the binding of rope to the bed, the message painted on the door. This does not appear to be done by someone not knowing how to do it.
 
  • #768
Initially, I thought must be murder. Now, not so sure. On the fence....

I thought RN was 5"7" and 120 pounds? Anyways, I had a bed just like that as a kid. Very easy to maneuver, lift, etc ... even if you are 100 pounds or less!

After I saw the LE video demonstrating how wrists were tied, then arm placed behind back - well, it looks like the knots were not done by a brain surgeon and it can be done. Also, it almost appears that the rope came with the slip already done. All she had to do was lift the leg of the bed and place in middle of slip. Easy. Another thought - I had a second story bedroom as a kid. My Dad tied a rope ladder on the leg of the bed - in case there was a fire and could not get down the stairs then I was suppose to throw the rope out the window and climb down.... Maybe the rope was already there, or she had this set up in prior home and it triggered a thought to tie rope to base of bed .....


In regards to suicide note - She (RN) saved JS from DS after a terrible 2nd marriage/divorce, then he (JS) did not save her (RN) from DS rage. Apparently, DS forbid RN from visiting hospital. The ex-wife instilled anger in JS towards RN - leading to breakup/ blame. JS did not stand up for RN, and save her. This hurt/angered RN, as she could not have prevented this freak accident. RN gave up everything to be with JS and take care of his kids. The suicide note was to point this out to him. And the method was done out of feeling of great loss and anger.


Maybe she did committ suicide- but, only if she had received a very upsetting call/text from JS regarding loss of MS AND breakup. I don't see her taking this action, unless she was blamed and the relationship was over. OTW, she would have wanted to live and support JS as he grieved for his son.

On the other hand, RN family knows more than I do - and they are not convinced. So, will not be 100 percent convinced until they are.
 
  • #769
Naked Suicide: Robert I Simon, MD

http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/36/2/240

Snipped:

Naked suicide suggests a variety of psychological themes. The shedding of clothes may symbolize a new beginning, a rebirth and cleansing, or a sloughing off of the world. In the biblical description of Christ's resurrection, his clothes, a symbol of an unregenerate world, were left behind as he ascended into heaven.11

Anger and vengeance can be expressed by completing suicide while naked, especially when it is intended to traumatize a survivor. The shock of discovering a naked suicide inflicts an indelible, traumatic memory that can haunt a survivor for a lifetime.12 The person who completes suicide while naked may intend to add insult to a suicide survivor's already devastating injury.

In severely depressed individuals, a naked suicide may be an expression of vulnerability, utter despair, desolation, and worthlessness. Psychotic patients may be responding to delusions or auditory hallucinations commanding them to commit suicide while naked as a self-abasement.
 
  • #770
Most naked suicides occur indoors. The combination of all the things RN supposedly done make this suicide extremely unusual.
 
  • #771
I have ZERO experience with tying knots. I didn't even get my girl scout badge in knot tying because it was confusing and boring. lol

However last weekend I was helping my daughter move into her first apartment and we needed to tie her queen size mattress on top of the explorer. It had to be tight enough to drive on the 101 fwy all the way to Santa Monica. I was using red rope, just like in the pictures of the RN crime scene. SOMEHOW, after playing around a little bit, I came up with a way that would pull tight and hold the mattress securely on the roof. It was a modified slip knot. It was not that hard or complicated. When one is under pressure and necessity calls, then it may be possible to figure out a way to tie a necessary knot.

Your purpose was to secure something valuable for a long trip. You needed to be careful and protect your daughters belongings.

IMO, if it were a suicide, I'd think her focus would not be that detailed. Her mind would not be calm and her thinking as precise as someone who is not suicidal. Her goal would be to tie the rope to the bed secure enough to get on with killing herself. Unless she does have experience with knots, boating or the like, I have serious doubts that she was the person that secured that rope to the bed.

why the leg? why not anywhere on the footboard. IMO, whoever tied that rope to the leg of the footboard in the manner they did, wanted to make sure there was no room for error. My gut is saying it was not RZ.
 
  • #772
So I am not quite sure how to put this but I will just say that I have connections to this case. If you could, what would you want to ask Dina about the situation? Are there any questions you would want to ask Dina specifically? ;)
 
  • #773
Another thought - I had a second story bedroom as a kid. My Dad tied a rope ladder on the leg of the bed - in case there was a fire and could not get down the stairs then I was suppose to throw the rope out the window and climb down.... Maybe the rope was already there, or she had this set up in prior home...

It was not a ladder. It was a rope.
 
  • #774
So I am not quite sure how to put this but I will just say that I have connections to this case. If you could, what would you want to ask Dina about the situation? Are there any questions you would want to ask Dina specifically? ;)

So, what have you been told....?

It would be interesting to know what she heard really happened that Monday am? Where JS teenage kids present? Did RN come to hospital? Did she talk to RN btwn Mon -Wed? Did she and RN get along? Was JS going to propose to RN? Was JS angry at RN / Did he blame RN? Did she over hear any phone calls to RN? Did he breakup with RN? Does JS think RN committed suicide? What is AS story - tugboats, mental health issues, sibling rivalry issues, attitude towards RN? Did she speak to AS after he found RN and what were his thoughts, did he hear anything? Did LE talk to DS during investigation, did she leave hospital btwn Mon-Wed? Does she blame RN? How does she interpret suicide message? Would DS be willing to take poly?
 
  • #775
Rebecca went to the garage and obtained a tow line. This is what she used to commit suicide. The Spreckels mansion faced the ocean, and this was Shacknai's summer home. It appears, by the way in which she wrapped her wrists, she was familiar with slip knots.

Photo of the presentation of how Max fell.

http://campl.us/epzB

Investigators included the Coronado PD, SD Sheriff's Department and a homicide team of 5 who consistently works in SD.

http://www.10news.com/index.html

Press conference, one hour thirty minutes which includes questions from the press.
 
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  • #777
That makes sense. Maybe it was standing up and fell on top of the child after the child fell down? Still police "stimulation" doesn't even show it. Where is attention to detail?
Frankly, I don't believe anything from LE. Their "stimulation" or anything else in this matter.
 
  • #778
HLN is running a special report. Hosted by Vinnie Politan.
 
  • #779
No other fingerprints found on either knife but Rebecca's.

IMO

I don't know if LE thought further - like that some killer could have worn gloves to rope up RZ, and do some painting. A killer could have put RZ's fingerprints on all the items.

After the Press Conference, I feel even more disgusted that this beautiful woman was murdered. Plain and simple, IMO, this is a cover-up with the blessings from LE.
 
  • #780
So I am not quite sure how to put this but I will just say that I have connections to this case. If you could, what would you want to ask Dina about the situation? Are there any questions you would want to ask Dina specifically? ;)
My deepest condolences to DS on the passing of her son, Max, first and foremost.

What is the story that LE told her that happened to Max that day? Where was DS at the time of the accident?
Who was at the residence at the time of the accident? Where was JS at the time of Max's accident? What is known about AS?
Why is the 911 call not released?
Why is the autopsy not released?
Did DS advise RZ to stay away from the hospital? TIA
 
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