CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

[MyBelle]

I have no idea why you are saying that, care to explain. I take it when you say that you are also saying that their real concern is not to further investigate Rebecca's case to see if it was a homicide.

I formed my opinion based on Bremner's comments to the media. Plus, she was asked if a lawsuit was intended and she didn't flat-out deny it.

 

[i.b.nora]

So I am not quite sure how to put this but I will just say that I have connections to this case. If you could, what would you want to ask Dina about the situation? Are there any questions you would want to ask Dina specifically?

I believe it is the rules of this forum that if you are a friend of a victim, or have some intimate connection to a case and you want to post as such, you need to get yourself accredited by Tricia, the owner. You can just PM her or email her.

 

[curiousjo]

-RN was not hog tied. We have no idea if hands tied first.
-If JS sent a nasty message, then he may know her password and opted to delete it, after body found....since it would make him look suspect or a jerk. (A coworkers ex used to call her cell and listen to her messages till she realized he knew her password...it happens)
-Many phones have option of retrieving a deleted message. (Mine does) If RN phone has that option, and someone took the time to delete that message, then highly suspect of malice.
-The LE has the cell records, so they know who made the early am call or where it came from (ex hospital)
-Whoever made the last call is the one who precipitated a suicide, if that is what happened. Maybe one of the main players called to say they were coming over to pick up MS favorite toy, or JS clothes, or unlock door so can get into main house for food/talk.
-Anyone going out of their way to committ murder staged like suicide would take the time to leave a suicide note. Painted block letters is smart since difficult to interpret as many of us never write in that pattern, so hard to challenge.

Just saying,.... but may stil be suicide.

 

[Morag]

Remember the dozens of posts regarding the image of the rope hanging down from the balcony? Some thought it a rope, some thought it a cactus or a palm frond, some thought it a shadow, and others thought it was the balcony support.

It was a rope:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/208...acknai-nalepa-spreckes-mansion-suicide-bo.htm

 

[Curious Me]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

""On the anterolateral mid left shin there is a 1 x 5/8 inch gray piece of material and two smaller similar pieces just distal to it, measuring 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch (Comment: appears similar to tape residue)" from above link

Why wasn't this mentioned in the Press Conference? Another hinky piece of the puzzle.

"Zahau's body found with T-shirt in mouth, 'tape residue' on legs"

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

 

[curiousjo]

Anyone else really wondering if Rebecca did receive a voicemail at 12:50 am? I'm still not sure why the claim is that she didn't answer the phone but she did listen to the voicemail? :waitasec:

She could have already been dead by that time? There is certainly no evidence we heard of that proves she listened to a voicemail.

Maybe the caller called when RN was talking to sister. She either didn't realize there was a call or afraid to listen till later on..... The LE know who called, as long as they got all players phone records. I would think RN family and the attorney is privy to that information. Now a days, so many send texts rather than calling..... Would be interesting if the MDs talked to JS/DS at that time in the morning. Also, what time did AS come home that night from hospital, go to bed and last see RN?
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If she died at 3AM, then once AS took her done he would immediately have known she was dead, and not given CPR. Body would be cold, blue face - obviously dead.
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Curious Me....Tape residue on legs is odd.Did they find a roll of tape? I don't remember that listed as items on the bedroom floor. Blood on legs, Tshirt stuffed in mouth....what else did they leave out? Now message is She Saved Him, Can You Save Her? What is the real message - this sounds more like a message to JS from a third party, not a suicide note from RN. Odd.

 

[MyBelle]

It has been ruled a suicide. No ifs or maybes about it. Multiple LE agencies investigated.

 

[katydid23]

So, her 13 yr old niece would feel better having her aunt commit some horrifficly weird suicide rather than have others confront her about a planking accident? :innocent:

Well, if a 13 yr old allowed a 6 yr old to lie down like a 'board' on the 2nd floor balcony railing,then she would be mortified that he died when he fell. They sure did whisk her out of there.

Maybe RN was not thinking clearly, but if she was being hounded by DS, blamed by JS, and he suddenly/rudely broke up with her, and her only 'defense' was that her own niece made a silly teenage mistake, then YES, she might be distraught enough to think it was the only way out. imoo

 

[katydid23]

Is there some evidence/proof of a planking picture? Everyone keeps referencing one.

The attorney for RN's family is stating that it was a planking accident. I do not know how that helps her any. IMO, it makes me even more upset that he was not being well supervised. And planking takes TWO PEOPLE to pull it off. One to pretend to be a 'plank' and one to snap the photo. So it makes me very suspicious of the 13 yr old witness to the accident.

 

[ehough22]

I don't know that the majority opinion is that it was homicide intended to look like a suicide. IMO it was just a plain homicide, which would explain why someone would write a message in the third person, tie her in ways that she couldn't have done alone (IMO), and why they'd erase a potentially incriminating message.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

I like the way you worded this, so eloquent and respectful. Thank you for sharing your thoughts in this manner.

I know to the average person who is lucky enough to not have a reason to be versed on suicidal behaviour, Rebecca's manner of death doesn't make sense. But unfortunately, to someone like me who has lost a friend to a violent suicide, also female, there is 'logic' to the senseless act.

I read that Rebecca was described as 'modest' which seems to contradict her taking her life naked. To me it seems a self-effacing act of humility.

I googled and found a doctor's analysis on it: http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/reprint/36/2/240.pdf



My lovely friend Rosemary jumped to her death, and in the weeks and days leading to her death she shed herself of most adornments - nail polish, jewelry, make-up... I don't think that it was entirely part of her hidden depression; even the clothes she changed into before she left for the bridge were non-descript and humble.

Rebecca tying her feet and hands indicate to me that she had put some thought and research into her death, although she also acted on impulse (the scene and her 'death note' in paint seemed chaotic). She knew that despite her intentions, she would instinctively try to save herself once she was close to death.

I know that no one who loves her wants to believe that she took her own life - it's unthinkable. I can tell you it's almost unbearable, but Rebecca sounds a lot like my late friend: a perfectionist, a sensitive woman who kept her private struggles to herself, only to be exposed very publicly, humiliatingly, at the end.

I hope anyone who is also fighting to live might learn from Rebecca's death, and realize they're not alone, it can get better, and keep trying to get help and support because your life is worth it.

Rest in peace Rebecca.

 

[katydid23]

I don't know that the majority opinion is that it was homicide intended to look like a suicide. IMO it was just a plain homicide, which would explain why someone would write a message in the third person, tie her in ways that she couldn't have done alone (IMO), and why they'd erase a potentially incriminating message.

It may have been a homicide but I would not call it a 'plain' homicide. A plain homicide would not have been so confusing and frustrating. She would have been shot or strangled or beaten but in a much 'plainer' fashion that she was.

The painted message is highly unusual, as is the way she was hung, outside, naked. This was not a regular old homicide, imo.

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe the caller called when RN was talking to sister. She either didn't realize there was a call or afraid to listen till later on..... The LE know who called, as long as they got all players phone records. I would think RN family and the attorney is privy to that information. Now a days, so many send texts rather than calling..... Would be interesting if the MDs talked to JS/DS at that time in the morning. Also, what time did AS come home that night from hospital, go to bed and last see RN?
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Curious Me....Tape residue on legs is odd. Blood on legs, Tshirt in mouth....what else did they leave out? Now message is She Saved Him, Can You Save Her? What is the real message - this sounds more like a message to JS from a third party, not a suicide note from RN. Odd.

I think if the attorney is privy to the details about the phone call, she wouldn't be telling reporters it was JS or stating she wanted proof of the call. I think the attorney's attempt to portray DS as some cruel instigator who banned Rebecca from the ICU is way out of line. Many hospitals only allow next of kin in the ICU.

 

[time]

Why wasn't this mentioned in the Press Conference? Another hinky piece of the puzzle.

"Zahau's body found with T-shirt in mouth, 'tape residue' on legs"

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

Yes, why wasn't it all mentioned. Where is the tape container, tape, or whatever also?

Reading this, I'm not sure what to conclude ...

The autopsy report does not explain why Zahau may have fashioned the T-shirt to gag herself. Investigators did not mention the gag during their media briefing Friday. However, the report does describe in great detail how the T-shirt was wrapped:


"There is a light blue or turquoise long sleeve T-shirt also around the neck on top of/outside of the rope. It was fashioned by tying the two ends of the long sleeves together near the cuffs in a double knot. The sleeves are wrapped three times around the neck with the abdominal and lower chest portion of the shirt extending from the anterior aspect of the ligature. The end of this has a small amount of what appears to be dried secretions."

What part of the shirt was in her mouth? So, did Adam take it out of her mouth after he cut her down and then told them it was in her mouth when he found her? Come to think of it, wouldn't Adam's DNA have to be on some of that since he cut her down? And, didn't they say there was some other DNA on the rope, but they couldn't identify it? I don't think that was in the press conference either. What about DNA on her shirt? The lawyers also said Jonah wasn't fingerprinted. Anyone, please correct me if these facts are wrong.

 

[jjenny]

I am pretty sure the ex-husband did not witness the message in the mansion. LE must have shown it to him while explaining the "suicide" theory. By the way I've always suspected she was hanging really close to the ground. Her legs were bend in such a way to indicate that she was close to the ground with legs touching it.

 

[Curious Me]

OR what if what she knew was very hurtful to her family? What if she knew that it was a planking accident, which would mean that her 13 yr old niece/sister would have been the one to take the picture for Max. Imagine how horrible it would be to have that information and be in the middle of this big mess?

Hanging herself naked outside a mansion is no way to spare your family. I'd think RZ would want to stick around even more so then, to help her sister or family even if it was a planking accident gone wrong.

No, I was looking more for some other motive to silence RZ so soon after MS accident.

 

[Carioca]

I formed my opinion based on Bremner's comments to the media. Plus, she was asked if a lawsuit was intended and she didn't flat-out deny it.

The Zahau family has been admirably patient and respectful from Day One, indicative of a trust that the American judicial system would result in an honest, thorough investigation into Rebecca's tragic death. This has obviously not been the case. If it were, the continued speculation here as well as on every forum and media website covering this case would not have continued after the LE briefing. <modsnip>

 

[katydid23]

Hanging herself naked outside a mansion is no way to spare your family. I'd think RZ would want to stick around even more so then, to help her sister or family even if it was a planking accident gone wrong.

No, I was looking more for some other motive to silence RZ so soon after MS accident.

Well, imo she was not trying to spare her family. She was probably very very angry at her 13 yr old relative if there was a planking accident. And she was very angry with JS for blaming her and taking DS's side, if that is what happened.

These things I am discussing are things RN's family attorney is saying. I am not making them up. They are the ones saying it was a planking accident.

Do you know what that is? It needs two people to carry out. So that points some major blame at the remaining witness, imo.

This is RN's people that are saying what happened to poor Max. And their version is NOT helpful to RN, imo.

 

[time]

I don't know that the majority opinion is that it was homicide intended to look like a suicide. IMO it was just a plain homicide, which would explain why someone would write a message in the third person, tie her in ways that she couldn't have done alone (IMO), and why they'd erase a potentially incriminating message.

I agree. It just looks like a homicide to me. And, the message written by someone else, not Rebecca in the third person. I think whoever the perp is, their DNA is not on there and so forth because (like I said before), they could have forced her to do some of it on her own. They also could easily wear gloves, unless they are dumb that is what they would have done. And, a homicide easily explains why the message was erased in my opinion. It also could explain why it went to voicemail and Rebecca didn't answer the phone. Erasing the message actually makes it look like she was still alive at the time the voicemail was erased.

 

[jjenny]

Why wasn't this mentioned in the Press Conference? Another hinky piece of the puzzle.

"Zahau's body found with T-shirt in mouth, 'tape residue' on legs"

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

No of course it wasn't mentioned during press conference. How did the tape residue get on her legs?