CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

[Curious Me]

Maybe the caller called when RN was talking to sister. She either didn't realize there was a call or afraid to listen till later on..... The LE know who called, as long as they got all players phone records. I would think RN family and the attorney is privy to that information. Now a days, so many send texts rather than calling..... Would be interesting if the MDs talked to JS/DS at that time in the morning. Also, what time did AS come home that night from hospital, go to bed and last see RN?
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If she died at 3AM, then once AS took her done he would immediately have known she was dead, and not given CPR. Body would be cold, blue face - obviously dead.
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Curious Me....Tape residue on legs is odd.Did they find a roll of tape? I don't remember that listed as items on the bedroom floor. Blood on legs, Tshirt stuffed in mouth....what else did they leave out? Now message is She Saved Him, Can You Save Her? What is the real message - this sounds more like a message to JS from a third party, not a suicide note from RN. Odd.

I don't remember any tape being mentioned, but it sounds like bands of tape around her legs sometime before death that left residue. Is that some kind of gym workout product perhaps? How did LE explain the tape residue? Or was RZ bound with some duct tape on her legs before the ropes were found? I can't find out enough on this case for it to make sense.

I agree that message could very well be from someone else directed to JS.

 

[jjenny]

I do not know where they are getting that it was a planking accident. IF SO, someone else had to be involved, because the purpose of planking is to snap a photo...

When usa today article first came out, the idea that this accident was "planking" was in there (attributed to the family's lawyer). It's been edited out. It appears to be wrong because police believe child had to achieve a certain velocity to sustain the injury he did.

 

[katydid23]

When usa today article first came out, the idea that this accident was "planking" was in there (attributed to the family's lawyer). It's been edited out. It appears to be wrong because police believe child had to achieve a certain velocity to sustain the injury he did.

Then why is the Z family attorney claiming it was a planking accident?

 

[jjenny]

I don't remember any tape being mentioned, but it sounds like bands of tape around her legs sometime before death that left residue. Is that some kind of gym workout product perhaps? How did LE explain the tape residue? Or was RZ bound with some duct tape on her legs before the ropes were found? I can't find out enough on this case for it to make sense.

I agree that message could very well be from someone else directed to JS.

LE didn't explain it at all because they never mentioned it to begin with.

 

[time]

Well, imo she was not trying to spare her family. She was probably very very angry at her 13 yr old relative if there was a planking accident. And she was very angry with JS for blaming her and taking DS's side, if that is what happened.

These things I am discussing are things RN's family attorney is saying. I am not making them up. They are the ones saying it was a planking accident.

Do you know what that is? It needs two people to carry out. So that points some major blame at the remaining witness, imo.

This is RN's people that are saying what happened to poor Max. And their version is NOT helpful to RN, imo.

I don't think that's neccessarily true that it takes two people to do whatever might have been going on. Max could have seen a picture of planking and was practicing.... not that it was actually carried out with the picture and all. And, being a six year old maybe he didn't quite get the concept.

I can't in anyway fathom that Rebecca did this out of anger :waitasec: or remained angry at a 13 year old.

Your logic about 'this not being helpful to Rebecca' ... I can't follow it, so you are saying their version is not seeking the truth? That's what they said they were after. How is it helpful to Rebecca to withhold information. I just can't see anything in any of this that screams so angry, despondent, or whatever that Rebecca would commit suicide directly after a call from the hospital.

 

[ehough22]

It may have been a homicide but I would not call it a 'plain' homicide. A plain homicide would not have been so confusing and frustrating. She would have been shot or strangled or beaten but in a much 'plainer' fashion that she was.

The painted message is highly unusual, as is the way she was hung, outside, naked. This was not a regular old homicide, imo.

Sorry, to clarify- I meant "plain" homicide as in "just" homicide versus homicide staged to look like a suicide. Definitely nothing plain about how it was done, you're right about that.

 

[katydid23]

How should I know? :banghead:

The San Diego Sheriff’s Department said today there was a ambiguous note message found painted on a door at the scene that might be a suicide letter, that Zahau routinely slept in the nude and had been distraught because she was in the bathroom when Shacknai’s 6-year-old son Max died after a “planking” stunt went wrong (according to the Zahau family lawyer), and that there were no signs of a struggle.
http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-busin...death-suicide-finding-wont-end-the-drama/9556

I am just saying that I would expect that the Z family attorney would have the info about that accident from the horse's mouth. Wouldn't you?

 

[jjenny]

Police clearly don't think he was planking. The lawyer if she said it might have been speculating or just misinformed. The lawyer also supposedly said both of Max's siblings were in the home, and we have had no confirmation about that.

 

[jjenny]

The San Diego Sheriff’s Department said today there was a ambiguous note message found painted on a door at the scene that might be a suicide letter, that Zahau routinely slept in the nude and had been distraught because she was in the bathroom when Shacknai’s 6-year-old son Max died after a “planking” stunt went wrong (according to the Zahau family lawyer), and that there were no signs of a struggle.
http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-busin...death-suicide-finding-wont-end-the-drama/9556

I am just saying that I would expect that the Z family attorney would have the info about that accident from the horse's mouth. Wouldn't you?

Well she also said both of Max's siblings were in the home. What do you think about that? By the way I am going to quote it before it's edited too.

"Bremner said Zahau was not alone in the mansion when Max had his accident. She said that two of the child's teenage siblings were present and that Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident. Max's mother and Jonah Shacknai were divorced, and Zahau had recently divorced as well."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...death-ruled-suicide-family-objects/50233234/1

 

[Curious Me]

I thought there were other siblings staying at the mansion.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well she also said both of Max's siblings were in the home. What do you think about that? By the way I am going to quote it before it's edited too.

"Bremner said Zahau was not alone in the mansion when Max had his accident. She said that two of the child's teenage siblings were present and that Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident. Max's mother and Jonah Shacknai were divorced, and Zahau had recently divorced as well."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...death-ruled-suicide-family-objects/50233234/1

Im getting confused.

I thought Rebecca was using the bathroom and her sister was in the shower?:waitasec:

 

[time]

Maybe the caller called when RN was talking to sister. She either didn't realize there was a call or afraid to listen till later on..... The LE know who called, as long as they got all players phone records. I would think RN family and the attorney is privy to that information. Now a days, so many send texts rather than calling..... Would be interesting if the MDs talked to JS/DS at that time in the morning. Also, what time did AS come home that night from hospital, go to bed and last see RN?
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If she died at 3AM, then once AS took her done he would immediately have known she was dead, and not given CPR. Body would be cold, blue face - obviously dead.
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Curious Me....Tape residue on legs is odd.Did they find a roll of tape? I don't remember that listed as items on the bedroom floor. Blood on legs, Tshirt stuffed in mouth....what else did they leave out? Now message is She Saved Him, Can You Save Her? What is the real message - this sounds more like a message to JS from a third party, not a suicide note from RN. Odd.

I'm not sure they ever said what time the phone call was placed. I'd think Rebecca would have been pretty vigilant about checking the phone. She would have had to have been up at 1 in the morning to get the voicemail 2-3 hours after her sister called. You'd think if JS called then, he would have called back?

LE said that she picked up Adam from the hospital in the early evening or late afternoon, I think.

Oh, yeah, blood on legs. Where did that come from. I thought on Dr. Drew they said LE verified not from her period but didn't say whose blood it was?

Now message is She Saved Him, Can You Save Her? What is the real message - this sounds more like a message to JS from a third party, not a suicide note from RN. Odd.

Agree... you have to convolute it much more to say it was written by Rebecca. And, I don't know, being on the outside of the door seems to imply someone coming into the room from the hall would see it. If Rebecca made some huge statement killing herself nude, bound, gagged, flinging over banister why leave a message basically in the hallway? I wonder who typically stayed in that room. If she wanted to hang herself she could have done it other places and inside the house. The location, the room, seems off to me.

 

[Curious Me]

Well she also said both of Max's siblings were in the home. What do you think about that? By the way I am going to quote it before it's edited too.

"Bremner said Zahau was not alone in the mansion when Max had his accident. She said that two of the child's teenage siblings were present and that Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident. Max's mother and Jonah Shacknai were divorced, and Zahau had recently divorced as well."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...death-ruled-suicide-family-objects/50233234/1

Thank You. I wondered yesterday why these other people were not mentioned in the PC.

 

[curiousjo]

Well, there are many who still don't accept jury finding OJ or Casey NOT guity. So, sometimes they get it wrong.

Personally, I initially thought foul play, now accept may not be. But not 100 percent convinced. Lots of loose ends not tied up at press conference. For all we know, LE could answer everyones question and we would all say yes, that makes complete sense.

RNs family does not accept it, and they know more than WS posters know. As I read somewhere today, the family commented that if JS is on their side, then he should stand by them as they check out all the facts.

IMO.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think that's neccessarily true that it takes two people to do whatever might have been going on. Max could have seen a picture of planking and was practicing.... not that it was actually carried out with the picture and all. And, being a six year old maybe he didn't quite get the concept.

I can't in anyway fathom that Rebecca did this out of anger :waitasec: or remained angry at a 13 year old.

Your logic about 'this not being helpful to Rebecca' ... I can't follow it, so you are saying their version is not seeking the truth? That's what they said they were after. How is it helpful to Rebecca to withhold information. I just can't see anything in any of this that screams so angry, despondent, or whatever that Rebecca would commit suicide directly after a call from the hospital.

Well if it were something he did all on his own then why would they label it a planking accident? He would have had to tell someone he was going to do that or try that for anyone to know. Unless of course one of them came out and saw him stretched out on the balcony ledge, just before he fell. ?

My logic about it not being 'helpful' to Rebecca comes from the long, pointed conversations I have had here recently. People being angry that I questioned if RN was supervising him properly. In my opinion, if it was a planking accident, then there was not enough supervision of that 6 yr old. Sorry to question that but I do. And I question it because I am wondering why she ended up at the end of that rope.

So yes, if what they are after is the truth, and the truth is that he was playing a very dangerous game up on the second floor balcony, then imo there was a valid motivation for her to kill herself out of grief and pain and anger at JS/DS perhaps too.

Maybe none of this screams despondency to you, but to me it surely does. She gave up her former life for him, to take care of his kids and his home, and then when this tragedy happens, his ex bans her from the hospital and blames her. [ possibly] And there is , again according to the truth seekers,
the Z family attorney, a heated call placed in which JS gives her some terrible news. Did he blow up at her and tell her to get out of his house?

Imo, if her 13 yr old sis/niece was being irresponsible, and helped cause this tragic death, and all of the blame was being put on RN, she would have been devastated and very distraught. imoo

 

[jjenny]

Apparently the message was SHE SAVED HIM CAN YOU SAVE HER.
Frankly it would make so much more sense to me if it said She couldn't save him (meaning Max)... I can't figure out who is that she saved.
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

 

[katydid23]

Police clearly don't think he was planking. The lawyer if she said it might have been speculating or just misinformed. The lawyer also supposedly said both of Max's siblings were in the home, and we have had no confirmation about that.

But isn't this lawyer making the rounds trying to disprove what LE said in their presser? Why would she say things that are incorrect and show she was so misinformed? Should I believe what the family even has to say if their attorney is publicly putting out false info?

 

[CalElliot]

Sitrick's Terry Fahn is author the "Message from Jonah Shacknai." Thanks for asking.

 

[tiredblondy]

Regarding the message painted on the door.."She saved him can you save her". This is my personal view on that...There is only one way it makes sense to me!

To me it sounds like a message to Jonah- She saved him (Rebecca saved Maxie by doing CPR until the EMS could get his heart restarted. The person who left the note did not know Max would not make it.)

Can you save her? Obiviously he couldn't and it was too late.

It sounds to me like a message to JS from someone who did not know Max was not going to make it. Someone who knew JS was at the hospital and would not be home.

That could be the reason the LE want to call it a suicide, because there is more here than meets the eye. It sounds to me like someone who wanted to shame, embarass and hurt JS, with no regard to Rebecca. Revenge, attack him while he's weak or down.

Rebecca's death in this way was just a method to accomplish this. It would have been easy to set her on the balcony then tip her over or throw her over.

I don't know but that is the only explanation I can see for the message. It wasn't a message from Rebecca but from someone with a vendetta against JS. If there were a sexual assault and a murder maybe a profiler has recommended this way of drawing him out? I suspect it would make a person who had done something like this furious to think that they were saying Rebecca was responsible, so less damage to JS.

I hope I've explained this so you can understand. I know what I mean, hope you do too.

That's my opinion only.

 

[katydid23]

Police clearly don't think he was planking. The lawyer if she said it might have been speculating or just misinformed. The lawyer also supposedly said both of Max's siblings were in the home, and we have had no confirmation about that.

So now do you accept everything LE says about this?