CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

[MyBelle]

For her to speculate that he was planking there must have been a reason to make that assumption. Correct? Why make that statement?

She's trying to implicate Jonah's other children as being responsible for Maxie's death, imo.

 

[Quester]

She's trying to implicate Jonah's other children as being responsible for Maxie's death, imo.

I wonder if she has good reason to make that implication?

What do you think?

 

[arielilane]

I'm not sure its worth putting so much energy into figuring out what "She saved him, Can you save her" means. RZ didn't write it. It reminds me of the R's and Victory! Just something to write. It's called staging. jmo

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

ahhh, thank you. i thought they confirmed it was her sister. i must be going crazy again :crosseyed:.

Nope, you're not going crazy. In the press conference video I watched they specifically said RZ's 13 year old sister.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She's trying to implicate Jonah's other children as being responsible for Maxie's death, imo.

The police said in their PC that the only two people in the home at the time of Max's accident was Rebecca and her 13 year old sister.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Well, maybe you are right about IF they called it planking someone had to see it. I didn't hear anyone on Rebecca's side say there was planking. I guess it was in an article... maybe that was an error.



I never heard anyone say it was a heated call, but maybe they did. LE said the call was news about Max's condition worsening.

You have a right to your opinion and I respect that. I can see why you think Rebecca was despondent, however, I have to give great weight to those who knew her and to the fact that I just don't believe in that short of time someone gets suicidal and carries out all these elaborate machinations we are supposed to believe happened to commit suicide. Rebecca did give up a lot to be with Jonah. But she had a lot to go back to ... a loving family and friends and she could probably easiy get another job given her previous experience. I think she really cared for Jonah's kids and that would have been a big loss. But she was only 32 and had years to have children of her own. I could buy suicide on some level (maybe not so quick) if it was just a normal one and if someone maybe threatened to ruin her life or so debased her she went into a dark hole, but I can't buy that this person committed this suicide under these circumstances and did so almost immediately after a phone call.

His son has just been pronounced brain dead, after a planking accident that happened while RN was taking a shower. And you do not think the call might have been heated?

And we can agree to disagree, no problem, that is what we do here.

I don't know if you have dealt with many suicidal people, but I worked briefly for a suicide hotline when I was in college. One weird thing that I was told in training really stuck with me. Something you said above made me think of it again. You said that:

"however, I have to give great weight to those who knew her and to the fact that I just don't believe in that short of time someone gets suicidal and carries out all these elaborate machinations we are supposed to believe happened to commit suicide. Rebecca did give up a lot to be with Jonah. But she had a lot to go back to ... a loving family and friends "

A couple of those things are in conflict with what I was taught during the hotline training. Number one, the people who know the suicidal person the best are sometimes the last ones to believe they are 'really' suicidal, or will ever accept they did kill themselves if it happens.

Also, we were told about some callers who think about killing themselves for a very long time. Some fantasize about it and will call to talk about it. Some are regulars on the hotline, but do not make any real deadly attempts. They may take pills and then call for help for example.

We were told to be very cautious with first time callers, who had never really considered killing themselves before, but who had a very devastating set of circumstances, leaving them severely distraught. I was told that these are serious candidates for a solid attempt at suicide. I think RN fits those criteria.

As for the statement, she had loving family and friend to go back to....NOT. Often it is the thought of those loving family and friends that spur people to feel hopeless and ashamed. If there is something horrendous they feel guilty about or if their lives are falling apart, just the thought of ' going back to the family' is NOT a welcome thought. One minutes she thinks she is marrying a multi-millionaire, going to become the co-owner of the mansions, to become the stepmother of the children, maybe have some of their own, and suddenly POOF. And the thought of 'going back to her family' was probably not that comforting. imoo

 

[Curious Me]

Then how did the sister end up making 911 call? Assuming it was the sister? Press really should get the 911 calls released. Both for Max and for RN.

That's what my friend keeps bringing up asking how RZ's sister ended up making the first 911 call when she was in the shower at the time of the accident.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if she has good reason to make that implication?

What do you think?

I find it very confusing.

LE has no reason to lie about who was in the home during Max's accident because they have ruled his death exactly that.......an accident.:waitasec:



IMO

 

[arielilane]

When this story first ran, there was more than RZ and RZ's sister in the house at the time of Max's accident. Later the amount of people in the house changed.

 

[justice be served]

The police said in their PC that the only two people in the home at the time of Max's accident was Rebecca and her 13 year old sister.

IMO

I wish that LE had not left out so much key information in the PC such as the gag, tape residue on Rebecca's legs, the scooter on Max, etc, and then I would have more confidence in what information they DID put out. Maybe they are simply not offering that the other children were there as well? It doesn't sound reasonable but the withholding of so much other information doesn't sound reasonable either.

 

[MyBelle]

I wonder if she has good reason to make that implication?

What do you think?

I think she likes the media attention.

 

[Curious Me]

The Press Conference can be seen again on this site. BBM RZ was performing CPR when she asked her 13 yr. old sister to call 911, it says.

http://media.abcnews.com/US/coronad...-zahau-ruled-suicide-sister/story?id=14435011


"There's mixed DNA [on the rope] -- it's what they told us," Bremner said. Police told Zahau-Loehner they could not identify that DNA, Bremner said."

"On the day that Max fell, Zahau's 13-year-old sister was also at the home. Rebecca Zahau heard a loud noise and found Max at the bottom of the staircase next to a broken chandelier, police said."

"Zahau, a former ophthalmic technician, performed CPR on Max and asked her younger sister to call 911, Zahau-Loehner told ABCNews.com today."

 

[Quester]

I think she likes the media attention.

Have/Will the S family attorney and the Z family attorney been/be able to listen to the 911 tapes?

 

[justice be served]

Yes, why wasn't it all mentioned. Where is the tape container, tape, or whatever also?

Reading this, I'm not sure what to conclude ...



What part of the shirt was in her mouth? So, did Adam take it out of her mouth after he cut her down and then told them it was in her mouth when he found her? Come to think of it, wouldn't Adam's DNA have to be on some of that since he cut her down? And, didn't they say there was some other DNA on the rope, but they couldn't identify it? I don't think that was in the press conference either. What about DNA on her shirt? The lawyers also said Jonah wasn't fingerprinted. Anyone, please correct me if these facts are wrong.

I, too would like these answers! Well stated!

 

[MyBelle]

The police said in their PC that the only two people in the home at the time of Max's accident was Rebecca and her 13 year old sister.

IMO

And police have no reason to lie about it. Now that the attorney has inserted herself into providing her own version of facts, JS and DS should ask LE to reopen the investigation into their son's death. This "planking" theory might be news to them imo.

 

[Curious Me]

I'm going to get some rest. More information keeps coming out. It takes a lot of energy to sort through the facts when the facts keep changing. Pace yourself, but don't give up on looking for the truth for Becky's and her family's sake.

 

[MyBelle]

Have/Will the S family attorney and the Z family attorney been/be able to listen to the 911 tapes?

Not if they are still sealed.

 

[justice be served]

And police have no reason to lie about it. Now that the attorney has inserted herself into providing her own version of facts, JS and DS should ask LE to reopen the investigation into their son's death. This "planking" theory might be news to them imo.

If the police withheld information, I don't believe that is an untruth as you put it. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying. Are you suggesting that the investigation into Max's death is perhaps not an accident and that Rebecca should be charged after her death with murdering him? It was ruled an accident - what else could it be reopened to be?

 

[Quester]

Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
The police said in their PC that the only two people in the home at the time of Max's accident was Rebecca and her 13 year old sister. IMO

And police have no reason to lie about it. Now that the attorney has inserted herself into providing her own version of facts, JS and DS should ask LE to reopen the investigation into their son's death. This "planking" theory might be news to them imo.

Added Oceans post for clarity.

@ MyBelle: I can't be so sure about your first statement based on all the reported inconsistencies about who was at the mansion when MS fell. Perhaps the new possible omissions have something to do with the fact that some of those who were originally reportedly present are minors??

But, I can agree with you that LE should continue to investigate these two cases. Hope they will.

 

[katydid23]

If the police withheld information, I don't believe that is an untruth as you put it. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying. Are you suggesting that the investigation into Max's death is perhaps not an accident and that Rebecca should be charged after her death with murdering him? It was ruled an accident - what else could it be reopened to be?

I do not think she is implying it was a murder at all. I think she is referring to the 'new 'alleged info that the Z family atorney is throwing out there. It appears as if this attorney is trying to point the blame for the accident towards the older teen half siblings of Max's, who MAY have been there while he MAY have been trying to 'plank' before he fell and died. That would take the blame away from RN and her 13 yr old relative if it were true.