CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[HowLoveCanBe]

So if I have it right to date...

• Dina Shacknai thinks Max's death was not an accident.
• Rebecca Zahau's family thinks Rebecca's death was not a suicide.
• Jonah Shacknai thinks Max's death was an accident and Rebecca's death was a suicide.

Does Jonah Shacknai have any stock options left to exercise? Will there be a sell off of Medicis MRX tomorrow?

I think it's natural if you have a son, daughter, or sister - die under circumstances that are unclear or confusing you may search for someone to blame. Dina may have felt that Rebecca intentionally put Max in harm's way. She may have told Rebecca that she was going to pursue her legally for her son's death. I think the fact that someone posted information that Dina is doing her own investigation is old information. Jonah may have also thrown her under the bus at this point. Maybe Dina gave him an ultimatum - she was going to make this entire affair very public unless he left Rebecca. I keep going back to the fact that Rebecca was left all alone in that mansion and took steps to her death from the 'guest' room. I think Rebecca's family may be angry with Dina for how she treated Rebecca - and they may be suspicious of what Dina was capable of setting in motion.

I don't think anybody witnessed Max's fall. I think that the older kids may have been planking before the accident. This fact caused more outrage at Rebecca on Dina's part even though the planking may have had no direct impact on Max's fall.

Rebecca could not understand why Jonah was taking Dina's side. They were taking the decision to take Max off life-support and they were blaming her for his death when she was the one that had 'saved him' That would hit me like a ton of bricks.

 

[katydid23]

Wow, I go out for a family dinner out and all heck breaks loose. I am really curious what info Dina had that made her so nervous. Imo, there is a possibility that RN had some mental health issues that she hid from her family. I am leaning towards suicide still.

I think something weird instigated the accident, and maybe nothing criminal, but something that should not have happened the way it did. And I do not accept that both the Zahou women were in the bathroom when little Max flew over that balcony. Too convenient, imo.

 

[jjenny]

If she had any mental health issues I have no doubt police would have brought that up trying to explain her "suicide." As it is, the best they could come up is that she supposedly stopped exercising in January. Even her autopsy reports said she had no history of being diagnosed with depression and no medical history. So, I don't believe for a second there were mental health issues she was hiding.

 

[katydid23]

If she had any mental health issues I have no doubt police would have brought that up trying to explain her "suicide." As it is, the best they could come up is that she supposedly stopped exercising in January. Even her autopsy reports said she had no history of being diagnosed with depression and no medical history. So, I don't believe for a second there were mental health issues she was hiding.

The police would not necessarily know if she had any mental health issues if she never declared them or was sent for hospitalization or reported by someone.

As I have said several times, she had several huge mental health stressors happening all at once. And she had the recent shoplifting arrest, which may indicate she had some issues. All at once she had very stressful circumstances like her divorce, moving in with JS, taking care of his kids, some who disliked her, taking care of the mansion with no staff or help. Jonah is known to be a temperamental perfectionist with a bad temper, and she must have felt pressure. She gave up her job, which she was good at and left that life to be w/Jonah. All of that together is a 10 on the Richter scale of emotional stress. If you add this tragic deadly accident to that situation you haver the recipe for a mental breakdown, imo/

 

[MyBelle]

I think it's natural if you have a son, daughter, or sister - die under circumstances that are unclear or confusing you may search for someone to blame. Dina may have felt that Rebecca intentionally put Max in harm's way. She may have told Rebecca that she was going to pursue her legally for her son's death. I think the fact that someone posted information that Dina is doing her own investigation is old information. Jonah may have also thrown her under the bus at this point. Maybe Dina gave him an ultimatum - she was going to make this entire affair very public unless he left Rebecca. I keep going back to the fact that Rebecca was left all alone in that mansion and took steps to her death from the 'guest' room. I think Rebecca's family may be angry with Dina for how she treated Rebecca - and they may be suspicious of what Dina was capable of setting in motion.

I don't think anybody witnessed Max's fall. I think that the older kids may have been planking before the accident. This fact caused more outrage at Rebecca on Dina's part even though the planking may have had no direct impact on Max's fall.

Rebecca could not understand why Jonah was taking Dina's side. They were taking the decision to take Max off life-support and they were blaming her for his death when she was the one that had 'saved him' That would hit me like a ton of bricks.

I think you are being incredibly unfair to Max's parents. I doubt JS was "taking sides" with anybody. Max was his son. JS had every right to be angry without Dina prodding him into it. As Dad, JS anger at RN would be expected and completely understandable and have nothing to do with his ex-wife's feelings.

There was no planking involved. LE's illustration makes that clear.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Wow, I go out for a family dinner out and all heck breaks loose. I am really curious what info Dina had that made her so nervous. Imo, there is a possibility that RN had some mental health issues that she hid from her family. I am leaning towards suicide still.

I think something weird instigated the accident, and maybe nothing criminal, but something that should not have happened the way it did. And I do not accept that both the Zahou women were in the bathroom when little Max flew over that balcony. Too convenient, imo.

I've never leaned toward homicide of RN. I never have believed that bathroom excuse. Not when it is known her sister was cut. It sounds to me that the teen was right there and was cut by the shattering chandelier.

It's not uncommon that families are the last to know of the incredible depression or mental instability of their loved ones. It sounds as though they didn't live near San Diego.

JMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I think LE and ME believe they have a logical explanation for their ruling and that their decision is justified. I have no reason not to accept their decisions. Maybe they didn't share everything but I think that has more to do with respect for the families rather than a cover-up or corruption funded by JS.

Sorry but all I see is a complete lack of respect from LE towards RZs family. I will not ever waste my time or money in San Diego/Coronado or waste my money on any Medicis products.

 

[MyBelle]

The police would not necessarily know if she had any mental health issues if she never declared them or was sent for hospitalization or reported by someone.

As I have said several times, she had several huge mental health stressors happening all at once. And she had the recent shoplifting arrest, which may indicate she had some issues. All at once she had very stressful circumstances like her divorce, moving in with JS, taking care of his kids, some who disliked her, taking care of the mansion with no staff or help. Jonah is known to be a temperamental perfectionist with a bad temper, and she must have felt pressure. She gave up her job, which she was good at and left that life to be w/Jonah. All of that together is a 10 on the Richter scale of emotional stress. If you add this tragic deadly accident to that situation you haver the recipe for a mental breakdown, imo/

When was her shoplifting arrest? That may have been a trigger for Jonah to tell her to clear out. It also indicates she had deeper issues. Maybe the reason she chose the guest room was because she was sleeping in it? Just thoughts.....

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Sorry but all I see is a complete lack of respect towards RZs family. I will not ever waste my time or money in San Diego/Coronado or waste my money on any Medicis products.

There may well be some things coming out that show that RZ had a lack of respect for JS's family as well. I know this is a victim friendly forum. But people seem to be forgetting that Max was a victim as well. And I think it is perfectly reasonable to question what happened there.

By hiring a lawyer like Ms. Bremner RZ's family is showing a complete lack of respect for Maxie, imo. She is a known shark who does not care about stepping on anyone in her way, truth or lies. imoo

 

[katydid23]

When was her shoplifting arrest? That may have been a trigger for Jonah to tell her to clear out. It also indicates she had deeper issues. Maybe the reason she chose the guest room was because she was sleeping in it? Just thoughts.....

JMO

I think it was fairly recent, but I have to go look it up again. IIRC, it was a couple of years ago.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...lepa-mug-shot-san-diego-bizarre-hanging-death

 

[MyBelle]

I think it was fairly recent, but I have to go look it up again. IIRC, it was a couple of years ago.

I thought maybe it was when she was in a relationship with JS. Shoplifting is usually masking a deeper problem.

Thanks for the response!

 

[katydid23]

I thought maybe it was when she was in a relationship with JS. Shoplifting is usually masking a deeper problem.

Thanks for the response!

Yes, it may have been when they first got together. It was 2009.

 

[revampz]

Can we please rule out the planking......the only scenario the police can come up with how max could have ended up where he did and with the injuries he had (and of course the broken chandelier!) was the animation they released. But this of course was a scenario with no one else involved and the others in the bathroom, toilet as they said they were. My brothers reaction to that animation, "why did they use the figure of an adult, when it is a 6 year old?"

So am I right to say this, by the police studies of the situation, planking is not a scenario?

 

[MyBelle]

Can we please rule out the planking......the only scenario the police can come up with how max could have ended up where he did and with the injuries he had (and of course the broken chandelier!) was the animation they released. But this of course was a scenario with no one else involved and the others in the bathroom, toilet as they said they were. My brothers reaction to that animation, "why did they use the figure of an adult, when it is a 6 year old?"

So am I right to say this, by the police studies of the situation, planking is not a scenario?

ITA. Planking does not fit with the evidence. The size of the figure LE used is really irrelevant, imo. Whether adult or child-sized, the figure was propelled over the staircase railing with a momentum not achieved with planking.

JMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

There was an alarm system. Coronado commander was asked about it at the news conference. He said it was regularly not used. The sheriff Sgt. said he did not know whether the alarm was engaged. The Sgt. did say there was no sign of forced entry.

Video of the entire news conference is here:
http://www.10news.com/video/29065367/index.html

The alarm discussion is between 1:21:10 and 1:22:30

Above bbm

Thank you for this. I knew I heard it but couldn't remember where.

 

[Tristan]

I have been following this case loosely, but recently, much more intensely.

Was the roll of duct tape found anywhere near where Rebecca allegedly killed herself? (sorry if this has been addressed, but I haven't read it anywhere.)

My theory right from the start, is that MS had an accident due to Rebecca's negligence.
With that said, I do NOT believe this was a suicide.

Why would someone get naked before killing themselves? (seems quite rare)

No history of mental illness.

No suicide note.

Absolutely absurd.

IMHO

 

[katydid23]

Can we please rule out the planking......the only scenario the police can come up with how max could have ended up where he did and with the injuries he had (and of course the broken chandelier!) was the animation they released. But this of course was a scenario with no one else involved and the others in the bathroom, toilet as they said they were. My brothers reaction to that animation, "why did they use the figure of an adult, when it is a 6 year old?"

So am I right to say this, by the police studies of the situation, planking is not a scenario?

According to the police it was not a scenario. But also, as you say, according to the police Max was 6 feet tall. So I take their animated theory with a grain of salt.

I just find it so odd. If he was all alone, and both witnesses were safely tucked away in the bathrooms, what spurred him to suddenly race so fast and dangerously that he would propel himself over the ledge? He was 6, not 4. He knew about heights and about not climbing up something that tall. he was not 3 or 4, he was 6. That is actually a pretty cautious age, imo. UNLESS they are rough housing or really excited and they lose control because they are being rambunctious.

We have a two story house with a similar type stairwell, and neither of my two crazy, rambunctious kids ever came close to being propelled over the top of the stairwell. And we have a huge wild german shepherd who constantly tries to herd the kids as they run around. Both my kids have run on the stairs, and both have stumbled down them a few times. But nothing nearly as violent and catastrophic. It just makes my Hink-meter explode thinking about it.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

There may well be some things coming out that show that RZ had a lack of respect for JS's family as well. I know this is a victim friendly forum. But people seem to be forgetting that Max was a victim as well. And I think it is perfectly reasonable to question what happened there.

By hiring a lawyer like Ms. Bremner RZ's family is showing a complete lack of respect for Maxie, imo. She is a known shark who does not care about stepping on anyone in her way, truth or lies. imoo

Of course Max is a victim. I said nothing derogatory towards Max. Actually I said nothing at all about Max in my post!

 

[katydid23]

I have been following this case loosely, but recently, much more intensely.

Was the roll of duct tape found anywhere near where Rebecca allegedly killed herself? (sorry if this has been addressed, but I haven't read it anywhere.)

My theory right from the start, is that MS had an accident due to Rebecca's negligence.
With that said, I do NOT believe this was a suicide.

Why would someone get naked before killing themselves? (seems quite rare)

No history of mental illness.

No suicide note.

Absolutely absurd.

IMHO

The reason that the cops did not mention the duct tape, imo, is because it was not necessarily a part of this case. The amount of residue was like 3/4 of an inch on one shin, and about the same on the other. That does not seem like someone was using it to imprison anyone. I think they figured out it was tape she used when she ran because of shin splints. imoo

Very small percentage of suicide victims actually ever leave a note. That was posted upthread somewhere.

We do not know what her true mental health history was. Plenty of people have mental health issues that are never recorded in any way for LE to see or shared with their families even.

 

[katydid23]

Of course Max is a victim. I said nothing derogatory towards Max. Actually I said nothing at all about Max in my post!

Sorry,I was not really aiming that statement your way. My fault for throwing it in when I quoted your post.

What I was trying to say was that in respect for Max it follows that people may have questions about RN and her supervision of him that day.