CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[jjenny]

I thought Adam was staying in the guesthouse!

Also, did they test the liquid?

Reading over autopsy report on the first page: AS said he last saw RN at 8 pm and she was in the main house. He retired to the guest house.

 

[katydid23]

She was only 5'3", she was only a little over 2' off the ground and he was on the table. I think he was probably able to grip the rope fairly easily.

So if his DNA is not found on the rope, what does that mean? Did he not cut her down? Did he try and clean it off? Maybe he did wear gloves then.

 

[Peaceful]

This is what I would like to know...

In the first minutes after LE arrived, HAD they found a nude woman, minus ropes, noose, gag, lying dead in grass under a balcony, I can imagine they would immediately ponder PUSHED...or JUMPED?? Murder or Suicide?

But that was NOT the case! What they discovered was a nude woman who was bound at the ankles and feet, noose around her neck, gag around her throat and stuffed in her mouth...

I wanna know WHO exactly FIRST stated, "You know, Bob, looks like it could be a suicide to me..."..

Because I was watching CNN when this story initially broke and the media was IMMEDIATELY reporting it was a possible suicide...

WHO first suggested that theory....cause that certainly wouldn't have been my immediate possibe theory prior to extensive crime scene examination and interviews!!!

Billionaire's Girlfriend's Last Note Inconsistent with Suicide

http://www.forbes.com/sites/shenegotiates/2011/09/06/billionaires-girlfriends-last-note-inconsistent-with-suicide/

Sorry if this is a repeat, interesting read...

That is a very interesting article! Thank you so much for sharing!

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I copied the following from page 2 (of 3) of the Investigative Narrative: Scene Description, written by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator, on 08/21/2011:

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…The main house was a multi room, multi bathroom dwelling which appeared clean and organized. The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other room had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women’s clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with a clear liquid on the night stand. We were escorted upstairs and I noted black painted writings on the bedroom door that led into the room with the balcony...

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Bold mine.

This sounds like Rebecca intended to spend the night in the guesthouse. She took off her makeup, poured a glass of water, and undressed before going bed&#8230;and what? She checked her messages, got one she didn&#8217;t like&#8230;so she wrapped herself in a towel, stalked off to the garage to find a handy tow rope, then entered the big house by way of the kitchen in order to grab a few butcher knives and a tube of paint (and two paintbrushes) on her way up to that cute little guestroom with the handy balcony just right for throwing oneself over, where she painted a little nonsense for her loved ones to remember her by, dropped the towel, cut three lengths of rope, wrapped these around herself and the foot of the bed, and dove off the balcony?

I don't believe that. I don't know what to think, but I don't think it went like that.

If she had moved to the guest house, she either didn&#8217;t want to be alone in that big, sad, house just yet, and so sought Adam&#8217;s company, or someone suggested she should do so.

MOO

Rest in peace, Rebecca. I'm sorry you are gone.

Maybe Jonah had already told Rebecca she didn't want her in the house. Adam was flown out to keep a close eye on Rebecca. He couldn't exactly throw her out under the circumstances. I doubt that Rebecca would have shared this info with her family. She probably wanted to protect her image of being with Jonah. If she new she was going to commit suicide and she couldn't do it in the guest house - but she wasn't allowed to be in the main house - what other option would she have but to hang outside?

 

[Kentjbkent]

Sorry, but where did you get that the t-shirt was down her throat and that the head injuries were blunt force?

As reported on HLN this evening......in fact, if I am not mistaken, it was same ME expert (hired by Rebecca family) who was defense witness in Caylee case, who stated four bruises under scalp were a result of blunt forcde trauma

 

[SunnieRN]

So if his DNA is not found on the rope, what does that mean? Did he not cut her down? Did he try and clean it off? Maybe he did wear gloves then.

It means they sure as he11 didn't test the rope very thoroughly.:banghead:

 

[arielilane]

Sister says there was no "you" in the message.

"She Saved Him, Can He Save Her"

From the autopsy report.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe Jonah had already told Rebecca she didn't want her in the house. Adam was flown out to keep a close eye on Rebecca. He couldn't exactly throw her out under the circumstances. I doubt that Rebecca would have shared this info with her family. She probably wanted to protect her image of being with Jonah. If she new she was going to commit suicide and she couldn't do it in the guest house - but she wasn't allowed to be in the main house - what other option would she have but to hang outside?

Well that doesn't fit with AS saying he last saw her at 8 pm, she was in the main house, and he retired to the guest house.

 

[katydid23]

Let's say that at the last press conference they announced that they had arrested DS for hiring a hitman. And they were looking for the killer but DS was in custody. Would anyone here then be looking at this crime to see if maybe it was really a suicide, that had been staged to look like a murder?

 

[SunnieRN]

Well that doesn't fit with AS saying he last saw her at 8 pm, she was in the main house, and he retired to the guest house.

Or with the three of them having just gone to dinner together.

 

[katydid23]

It means they sure as he11 didn't test the rope very thoroughly.:banghead:

I don't think that means that at all. DNA does not get transferred with success every single time someone touches something. Lots of circumstances come into play first.

He touched that rope one time, quickly in his holding it to cut her down. No surprise that it may not have shown up in the testing.

 

[curiousjo]

Copied from pg2/3 of the Investigative Narrative: Scene Description, written by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator, on 08/21/2011:

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&#8230;The main house was a multi room, multi bathroom dwelling which appeared clean and organized. The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other room had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women&#8217;s clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with a clear liquid on the night stand. We were escorted upstairs and I noted black painted writings on the bedroom door that led into the room with the balcony...

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Okay. I am confused. I thought RN jumped from back bedroom (guestroom) at mansion -and- AS was in the Guesthouse. Was this a typo and should say guest room, not guest house? Or was RN sleeping in guest house or did AS have visitor? Does suitcase belong to AS, RN or someone else? Did she feel lonely and want to be in same area as AS, but in end never went to bed and went into mansion at 2am and committed suicide? Again what about the music? Could altercation have happened between RN and AS? Why are her clothes on floor? Odd if JS kicked her out of home, but if he thought she sedated and threw his son over balcony, then maybe did not want her alone.

Can someone help me understand this?

 

[Kentjbkent]

Maybe Jonah had already told Rebecca she didn't want her in the house. Adam was flown out to keep a close eye on Rebecca. He couldn't exactly throw her out under the circumstances. I doubt that Rebecca would have shared this info with her family. She probably wanted to protect her image of being with Jonah. If she new she was going to commit suicide and she couldn't do it in the guest house - but she wasn't allowed to be in the main house - what other option would she have but to hang outside?

That's the first I have heard of this.....who stated this? Adam? I guess I assumed Adam flew out because his only nephew was in critical condition with a brain injury, not as a babysitter?

 

[arielilane]

From the autopsy report.

 

[SunnieRN]

I don't think that means that at all. DNA does not get transferred with success every single time someone touches something. Lots of circumstances come into play first.

Cynic posts concerning touch DNA on the JonBenet Ramsey section regularly. You may want to read about the number of skin cells we leave behind when we touch something or someone. Very interesting information.

I would say that they most likely did not test that area.

 

[jjenny]

Copied from pg2/3 of the Investigative Narrative: Scene Description, written by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator, on 08/21/2011:

>>>snip

…The main house was a multi room, multi bathroom dwelling which appeared clean and organized. The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other room had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women’s clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with a clear liquid on the night stand. We were escorted upstairs and I noted black painted writings on the bedroom door that led into the room with the balcony...

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Okay. I am confused. I thought RN jumped from back bedroom (guestroom) at mansion -and- AS was in the Guesthouse. Was this a typo and should say guest room, not guest house? Or was RN sleeping in guest house or did AS have visitor? Does suitcase belong to AS, RN or someone else? Can someone help me understand this?

AS was sleeping at the guest house. He said he last saw RN at 8 pm and she was at the main house. He retired to the guest house.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well that doesn't fit with AS saying he last saw her at 8 pm, she was in the main house, and he retired to the guest house.

They never said the clothes belonged to Rebecca though.

IMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

That's the first I have heard of this.....who stated this? Adam? I guess I assumed Adam flew out because his only nephew was in critical condition with a brain injury, not as a babysitter?

I am just guessing this. If he were there only for his nephew wouldn't he be at the hospital? It could be he was there for both reasons.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Copied from pg2/3 of the Investigative Narrative: Scene Description, written by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator, on 08/21/2011:

>>>snip

…The main house was a multi room, multi bathroom dwelling which appeared clean and organized. The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other room had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women’s clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with a clear liquid on the night stand. We were escorted upstairs and I noted black painted writings on the bedroom door that led into the room with the balcony...

<<<snip
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Okay. I am confused. I thought RN jumped from back bedroom (guestroom) at mansion -and- AS was in the Guesthouse. Was this a typo and should say guest room, not guest house? Or was RN sleeping in guest house or did AS have visitor? Does suitcase belong to AS, RN or someone else? Can someone help me understand this?

Is it possible that the main house/portion of (or at least staircase, which is access to bedrooms) was still sealed off by LE during continuing investigation of son's accident, so she opted to move into one of the guest rooms?

 

[elementry]

Sorry, but after that PC I don't believe much of anything the SDPD/CPD is saying, just because of all the other information they left out and that is now public knowledge.

I don't believe that this couple wasn't there that night or that they for sure were renting the caretakers apartment. I hope that Rebecca's family knows who they are and have spoken with them.

This is not directed toward you in any stretch of the imagination, just my frustration with the situation.:seeya:

These house helpers were obviously an illegal alien oriental couple serving as cook, gardener, housecleaner, tantric bondage teachers and - why not - occasional hit-persons and assassins, who are now on the Medicis corporate yacht to Timbuktu along with AS......

/sarcasm off

Just a little jesting amid the misery of this all......