CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[jjenny]

That's what it sounds like - and that he made his bed too. We've all been wondering where Rebecca's clothes were. This is the first time we hear of women's clothing. If it was her clothing did she deliberately leave it on the floor there? We've also heard that she slept naked. Was she sleeping in the blue shirt that was tied to her neck? Maybe this explains why she didn't hear the call - if she was in the guest house she may have had her phone on vibrate so as not to wake Adam. After the final VM, did she get out of bed and not bother putting her clothes back on as she went into the main house?

Only she was not in the guest house, since AS's story was he last saw her at 8 pm in the main house and he retired to the guest house.

 

[jjenny]

Yes. If she was in the guest house was it because she didn't want to be alone in the main house? She could have asked Adam to stay in the guest room I suppose. Or was she not allowed to be in the ICU, and not allowed to be in the main house, but was expected to bring clothes to Jonah the next morning?

That would directly contradict the story in the autopsy report as told by AS.
She was not in the guest house. She was in the main house. AS retired to the guest house at 8 pm.

 

[elementry]

From the autopsy report: The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women's clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with clear liquid on the night stand.

RN's photos do show she wore lots of make-up.

Perhaps as was said, JS told her to be out of the main house. He may have directed her to go to the guest house, where AS was also. That would get her into easy availability for AS. Maybe it was odd that she would be nude in the main house walking around getting her supplies for the suicide, with AS on the same premises; it's even odder if they were in the 2 bedrooms of the guest house and she's voluntarily taking her clothes off there. If she were ordered to disrobe at the guest house........

Also the servant quarter occupants, if such existed, should have been mentioned or vetted by LE. Definitely hoped they investigated that aspect.

If .....someone.... was calling the shots, AS might have been instructed to prepare RN, then hand her off to someone else who was waiting in the main house, with all the necessary equipment at the ready. AS might not even have known exactly what was to come.

If an actual murder case ever comes to pass, it would be fascinating to see how AS, JS, and DS hold up against and with one another. Btw, I am not sold on all these conspiracy theories re the S's and LE; just playing w scenarios.

Seeing how insular the SD LE and political culture are, it would be very odd for the DA, who backed Gore, take up a case like this.

 

[Kentjbkent]

That would directly contradict the story in the autopsy report as told by AS.
She was not in the guest house. She was in the main house. AS retired to the guest house at 8 pm.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but we only know she was in the main house until 8 pm...we don't know where she went after AS retired....except for assumption based on the woman's clothing on the floor of second bedroom in guest house, and the fact that she was found nude....

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

you do realize that her attorney was simply answering a question during a televised interview, with all the time constraints, distractions etc that are present during such a situation.

what is the hangup with the word "guilt?" if you believe max died as a result of an accident, she actually SHOULDN'T feel any guilt. regret? sure. grief? sure. sadness? of course.

it's disturbing how quickly this thread has begun leaning towards attacking RN and family for doing what they have every right and responsibility to do......seek the truth and get justice.

and as for the secrets surrounding the other kids......two people are dead. having to tell the truth as to whether they were present or not and when etc....is hardly the worst thing that's going to happen to them whether they're covering something up or not.

Consider this... If Dina and or Dina and Jonah were suspicious of Rebecca regarding Max's death - Do you think she would convey this to her family right away? If she didn't convey it - the family might innocently ask is she felt any guilt. What would you say? I would say no - even if I did. I wouldn't want to open up the door to the fact that there is suspicion towards me or feelings of guilt. I would want to maintain that everything was more or less fine given the tragic circumstances.

 

[jjenny]

AS says he last saw her at 8 pm when he retired to the guest house. She was in the main house. It's on the front page of the whole autopsy report which is linked here.

 

[sdcali]

Aren't you making an assumption that AS did not receive a call at the same time? Conversations between JS and AS wouldn't be publicly released because it really has no relevance to the investigation.

I'm kinda surprised that some are questioning the time of the call. A turn for the worse can happen at any time. Hearts do stop beating and need restarting but that doesn't mean they continue to beat normally. Was RN so callous toward Max that she wouldn't want to even be told of his condition? I doubt it.

JMO

I'm questioning why AS, if he received such a call, did not then go to the hospital to be by his nephew's side in his final hours. My post has nothing to do with RZ's being callous. Quite the opposite. IMO, she cared very deeply for him, but was not allowed to visit him at the hospital.

 

[elementry]

I don't think they rushed to paint over the door. It has been over 7 weeks now and the message was photographed and videoed in its original form imo and included with the LE reports we have not seen.

I don't think they will destroy anything.

IMO

Why on earth paint it over for any reason, pray tell.......

Another investigative team would ever be able to get a look at it in its original crime scene condition. Perhaps a more involved look could have gleaned something. Nobody will ever know, if in fact they painted it over.

 

[Quester]

The report says guest house consisted of two bedrooms.

Could be just semantics but from the link below:

A guest house, completed in 1928, contains two master bedroom suites, each decorated by an 18-inch fresco running around the perimeter of the room on the upper portion of the walls.

http://www.coronadobeachhouse.com/howmuch1043.html

 

[jjenny]

From the link below:

A guest house, completed in 1928, contains two master bedroom suites, each decorated by an 18-inch fresco running around the perimeter of the room on the upper portion of the walls.

http://www.coronadobeachhouse.com/howmuch1043.html

O'key there are two master bedrooms and policeman in his report just called them bedrooms.

 

[SunnieRN]

That would directly contradict the story in the autopsy report as told by AS.
She was not in the guest house. She was in the main house. AS retired to the guest house at 8 pm.

Either she was in the main house, as AS stated, or she was in the guest house. Who would have a reason to lie about that? And why? When they dropped JS at the hospital everything was ok.

One thing that struck me in the autopsy report is that Rebecca had permanent makeup. Wonder what color makeup was on the make up removal pad.

 

[ehough22]

The autopsy report also states that Rebecca had her eye makeup tattooed on; not that she couldn't use the makeup remover for other makeup that she was wearing, but I found that interesting, especially now that we have makeup remover in the guest house.

Regarding the lack of AS's DNA on the rope- do we know for sure that he simply reached up quickly and cut her down? I don't know that we do. I'm envisioning him finding the body, running to her, possibly touching her and/or the rope in an attempt to get her down, running in for a knife, and then...what? He stands on the table- does he let her drop to the ground? Does he prop her up on himself? I can definitely see a scenario where there could be DNA and fingerprints all over her and the rope. Of course, that in and of itself wouldn't be suspicious- he cut her down. The lack thereof does give me pause.

Regarding the message, the placement of it is kind of strange to me. Disclaimer: I know we can't apply logic to suicidal people, but I am not sure how else we'd examine such a case. Presumably she knew JS wasn't coming home- she had the voicemail and was also going to bring him clothes. That leaves AS. I am unclear on the layout of the grounds but wouldn't she realize AS would find her outside? That no one would first find the door message/be able to "save her", if that were ever her intention? Who did she think would first find a message on that door who wasn't first going to find her outside? This is, of course, assuming she wrote it, which I don't believe she did. But it's almost as if it were intended for someone who would be looking for her via the main house, which wouldn't be AS given what we're told, and wouldn't be JS, at least not for quite some time. Things that make you go hmmm.

 

[jjenny]

In the photos she appears to wear eye shadow to match her clothes, so it wouldn't be a permanent tattoo because she had to change it to match her clothes. I think she might have some tattooed on, doesn't mean she didn't wear additional make up.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

That would directly contradict the story in the autopsy report as told by AS.
She was not in the guest house. She was in the main house. AS retired to the guest house at 8 pm.

If Adam retired to the guest house at 8PM and saw Rebecca in the main house at that time - it doesn't mean she didn't also retire to the guest house later. Maybe she had to get some personal items like make-up wipes. I doubt that if Jonah had asked Rebeccca not to be in the main house - and had asked Adam to watch over her - that he would have actually performed that duty like a hawk.

 

[curiousjo]

So in piecing this together in logical sense with what we know...

Adam last sees Rebecca at 8 pm in main house.

At some point, assuming the woman's clothing was hers (since she was found naked), she retreated to second bedroom and prepared for bed, removing her clothing.

She then enters the bathroom where she uses makeup remover towelettes to remove makeup (photos I have seen of her show her wearing semi-heavy makeup...blue eyeshadow)...

She then climbs into a bed which was later found unmade.

Sometime just prior to 3 am, she awakens and finds (or learned before bedtime) that the son's passing is imminent, so she makes the decision to take her life...and retreats to secure the rope, paint, etc.....

At 7 am, Adam finds her body.

Is this one of the theories being alluded to? I would assume there wasn't a lot of forethought in her suicide plan...don't think I have ever heard of a woman taking the time to remove all her makeup before taking her own life?

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Don't forget......
-Red bath towel found in mansion hallway, so some where in the timeline she took a shower or bath. Blood also found in hallway, so maybe nicked her legs shaving or waxing or ...?
- AS says he last saw her in the mansion at 8pm- not the guesthouse although a womans clothing was found there......
-RN got call from JS about MS taking turn for worse - didn't that wake AS and he would realize she was not in bed?
-Wouldn't JS have called AS regarding MS if he couldn't reach RN - he is so controlling that I would think he would ask his brother what she was doing or want to talk to someone supportive if he was that sad....

Side note;
-Did I hear a candle was found on ground where she jumped? So, was she bound yet carrying candle, then jumped over railing or was candle to light up courtyard so someone could see or just left there from prior event
-Was RN hair wet or dry after shower - no comment in autopsy
-Was there loud music or not? Was there a party or not? AS surely would check it out if true....
-IF RN retired to guesthouse later, wouldn't she have woken AS and he would have seen her there?
-Did LE check for anesthetic with short acting half life that could have been injected to temp. sedate/paralyze her. Some drugs in and out of system fast. I would hope they checked for obscure drugs.... Could you be injected with Botox or Restalyne in spine and cause paralysis? Just asking....

 

[Kentjbkent]

AS says he last saw her at 8 pm when he retired to the guest house. She was in the main house. It's on the front page of the whole autopsy report which is linked here.

That's what I am trying to establish....we KNOW (based on AS statement) that she was in main house at 8 pm....but we don't know where she was between the hours of 8:05 pm and 3 am (est time of death), right?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Actually, report states that bed in room with woman's clothing contained an "unmade bed".....so someone climbed under the covers...

But now that I think about it.....odd that report did NOT state that room with suitcase (presumed to be AS) also had "unmade bed".....so where did HE sleep that night????

Maybe he made the bed up when he got up.

IMO

 

[deanna82437]

1. There were two bedrooms in the guest house. One with a suitcase (assume AS) and one with women's clothes, make-up towelettes and a glass of clear liquid.

2. Perhaps after AS retired to guest house at 8:00 pm, maybe later RZ decided to sleep in the other bedroom so as to not be alone in the big house, say maybe 12:30 am or so.

3. IIRC the autopsy stated RZ had eyebrows tatooed as well as eye makeup (blue eye shadow?)

4. From there on, I have no idea. :waitasec:

 

[jjenny]

If Adam retired to the guest house at 8PM and saw Rebecca in the main house at that time - it doesn't mean she didn't also retire to the guest house later. Maybe she had to get some personal items like make-up wipes. I doubt that if Jonah had asked Rebeccca not to be in the main house - and had asked Adam to watch over her - that he would have actually performed that duty like a hawk.

I don't know what to tell you since AS story is that he last saw her at 8 pm. She was in the main house and he retired to the guest house. If he retired to the guest house and she later stopped by then his story presumably wouldn't be he last saw her at 8 pm.

 

[doubt]

Consider this... If Dina and or Dina and Jonah were suspicious of Rebecca regarding Max's death - Do you think she would convey this to her family right away? If she didn't convey it - the family might innocently ask is she felt any guilt. What would you say? I would say no - even if I did. I wouldn't want to open up the door to the fact that there is suspicion towards me or feelings of guilt. I would want to maintain that everything was more or less fine given the tragic circumstances.

agreed. i would not divulge this to my family and here's why:

1. i would know i was innocent
2. i would think the unfounded suspicions were a part of the parent's grieving and would pass, eventually.
3. i would not want my family to think less of the man i loved, which i think would be a natural reaction to hearing that there was a tragic accident and instead of standing by my side, he blamed me and lashed out at me and basically, trashed me. i would want to protect him.