CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

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  • #341
I want to know why LE said at first that a recreation was going to take place and then without any reason given was decided to not do the recreation after all. Was it because they started to do one, realized that it was not possible for Rebecca to have done this herself, and said ok we tell the public we changed our minds and sweep this under the rug?
 
  • #342
..that doesn't make sense to me, that the homeowner would have any say over LE when there's a dead body on the lawn?

..i do want to know though-----the ME was contacted at 8:09 A.M.----why on earth did it take them 11 HOURS to get there??

..don't they want to see the body A.S.A.P. to determine rigour, TOD, etc etc?

I don't believe you can draw the conclusion that the ME didn't send an examiner to the scene immediately. iirc, they did determine TOD.
 
  • #343
Yes, we were first told LE is going to do a recreation. Then they decided not to do it. Also, psychological autopsy apparently is a standard procedure for bizarre suicides (as this one surely is)-also was not done. I don't see that as going an extra mile.
 
  • #344
Thank you! That comment left me speechless.

Me too.

The tactic, on all the sites I've visited, does seem to have changed from this is "suicide" and the LE/ME said so, to embracing the popular belief that this is homicide and casting suspicion now on AS and, I guess, maybe a hitman too?

MOO
 
  • #345
LE have stated that only DNA from RN was found on rope. AS has stated he found RN hanging and cut her down. His DNA is not found on rope? Well doesn't that suggest that a person can touch the rope and leave no DNA? So how does the fact that only RN's DNA is found on rope proves suicide? The table with a broken leg-when did the leg break? The clothes in the room (on the floor)-whose were they? Was there loud music, and if so, who played it? Is there any evidence RN actually knew how to tie cleat hitch knots? I still have a lot of questions with no answers.

Maybe he didnt touch the rope when he cut her down.

All he would have to do is support her body and then press the knife against the rope in order to cut it.

IMO
 
  • #346
Was AS's DNA found on the sleeve of the shirt that was stuffed in Rebecca's mouth? AS claims to have removed the sleeve so we know, according to him, that he did touch that. Was his DNA found? If not, why not?
 
  • #347
I don't believe you can draw the conclusion that the ME didn't send an examiner to the scene immediately. iirc, they did determine TOD.

..it appears that they concluded an approx. TOD based on the reports of the EMT's 1st on the scene.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/billionaires-girlfriends-last-note-inconsistent-suicide-071316699.html

Police have said they don’t know precisely when Zahau died. But when paramedics arrived just before 7 a.m., after the brother had called police dispatch, rigor mortis had set in her jaw,which, according to forensics experts, takes about four hours. That would put Zahau’s time of death at roughly 3 a.m.

..also-------if rigor mortis had set in her jaw---it's beyond me why AS took the t-shirt gag out in 'an attempt to revive her'. i'm pretty sure she would appear DEAD.

..it would be interesting to know just what he did do in the approx. 18 minutes between finding her @ 6:30 and calling 911 @ 6:48.
 
  • #348
HLN discussing case. Pathologist says that autopsy report tells him RN lied on her back for 6 hours after death -not consistent with hanging. Also, if you fall 11 feet then head should separate from neck tissue and tongue should be protruding.... But, no posterior neck dissection done. Oh Oh....
 
  • #349
How would he even know about it? I think he was focused on Max.

I have no idea why LE didn't put a cover over the body just as I don't know why people decided to take pictures. To me, it seems a bit of a stretch to blame JS for any of it.

JMO

Often the body is the last thing to be removed from the scene. Not just in this case but many others. Jessica Lunsford and Laci Peterson to name two off the top of my head.

I believe LE mistakenly thought that because Rebecca's body was behind a high wall she could not be seen by anyone.

I don't think I can remember a case where the media swooped in and showed a victim laying on the grass and then aired it in the manner they did.

So I think LE never expected this to happen and because the media knew the police was there doing their investigation LE thought the helicopter would respect the scene and privacy. Of course they were wrong. Years ago the media wouldn't have done such a horrible thing but now they are capable of anything, imo.

Most likely after the fly over LE covered her body in case the looky loos decided to come back. I believe after the helicopter flew over LE contacted all press outlets telling them to stay away from the air space around the mansion because we never saw any other photos taken but by this one despicable new station.

IMO
 
  • #350
Case being discussed on Vinnie Politan, HLN now. Interesting .. guest says her body indicates she died while on her back. Not sure who he is .. transcription should be online later.
 
  • #351
HLN discussing case. Pathologist says that autopsy report tells him RN lied on her back for 6 hours after death -not consistent with hanging. Also, if you fall 11 feet then head should separate from neck tissue and tongue should be protruding.... But, no posterior neck dissection done. Oh Oh....

I will have to read the AR again but I dont remember seeing the ME list any signs of lividity settlling to her back side.:waitasec:



IMO
 
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San Diego Sheriff’s Department Willing To Reopen Rebecca Zahau CaseSan Diego Sheriff’s Department Willing To Reopen Rebecca Zahau Case

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...iego-police-willing-reopen-case-ruled-suicide

JVM will be discussing the case

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/JaneVelezMitchellHLN

"We concluded beyond a shadow of the doubt, that neither Jonah or Dina (Max's mother, and Jonah's ex-wife) were at the house that night. Jonah and Dina were at the hospital at Max's bedside, or at the Ronald McDonald house, across the street from the hospital," Lt. Nesbit told RadarOnline.com.

"Rebecca didn't get to visit Max in the ICU as much as she might have liked because hospital policy prevented more than two persons from visiting the bedside, but she cared deeply for Max and did have an opportunity to visit him," a source close to the situation tells us.
 
  • #354
Not saying this is a fact, just sharing a caller's theory.

A caller into VinnieP on HLN finally got it out there that maybe the father's daughter was there at MS's accident, and that the father wanted to cover this up for some reason.
 
  • #355
Maybe I'm thinking too much about this, but I don't think if she committed suicide, that she would hang herself *naked*. Do most folks who hang themselves do so with no clothes on?

Unless someone had some severe psychological issues (which it doesn't seem she does) or was strung out on drugs, it seems to me that someone committing suicide is doing so because they are depressed, withdrawn, upset, desperate, etc. Exposing yourself to the world by hanging naked off a balcony doesn't seem to fit the bill for someone who supposedly committed suicide because she was upset about the little boy's situation. That seems to me more like the behavior of someone with more mental illness than simply depression. And I don't think she had that.

I don't buy it. (ETA: For many reasons... but that really stands out to me - the nudity)
 
  • #356
Often the body is the last thing to be removed from the scene. Not just in this case but many others. Jessica Lunsford and Laci Peterson to name two off the top of my head.

I believe LE mistakenly thought that because Rebecca's body was behind a high wall she could not be seen by anyone.

I don't think I can remember a case where the media swooped in and showed a victim laying on the grass and then aired it in the manner they did.

So I think LE never expected this to happen and because the media knew the police was there doing their investigation LE thought the helicopter would respect the scene and privacy. Of course they were wrong. Years ago the media wouldn't have done such a horrible thing but now they are capable of anything, imo.

Most likely after the fly over LE covered her body in case the looky loos decided to come back. I believe after the helicopter flew over LE contacted all press outlets telling them to stay away from the air space around the mansion because we never saw any other photos taken but by this one despicable new station.

IMO

I guess LE didn't anticipate the media outlet without ethics. I found it pretty disrespectful to publish such a photo.
 
  • #357
Here's a question for contemplation by any and all:

Given the curcumstances surrounding the crime scene, events previous, autopsy report and LE's press conference (where they omitted certain relevant facts) - would you, as a loved one or family member, feel comfortable and be able to accept the suicide ruling?

And, just for the record - NO, I wouldn't and no, I don't.

I'll reserve my thoughts and opinons for a later time.

No, I would not accept what we have thus far - what has been released to the public and what the Zahau's have stated. However, I don't know if they have been given more information that the family has not publicized.

What would make the suicide scenario more plausible for me would be this:
1. AS seemed very believable. Very, very shocked and distraught by what happened, took and passed a poly, could account precisely for everything he did in the hours leading up to Rebecca's death, no accounts of any rage on his part toward Rebecca, no information via criminal records, medical records or gossip from those that know him, that he has any kind of mental issues or anger problems. No evidence that AS was ever upstairs or in the room where Rebecca went off the balcony.
2. DS and JS's movements show they were at the hospital the entire time since the hour AS claims dinner ended.
3. Nothing in DS, AS or JS's phone records to suggest they planned something evil.
4. Independent corroboration that JS, AS and Rebecca went out to dinner and during a specific time.
5. No evidence placing DS or JS at the scene at all.
6. DS and JS took and passed a poly. (Although I know that since they were dealing with the recent death of their child, this may be a lot to ask).
7. DS and JS seemed shocked and surprised by what happened to Rebecca.
8. Rebecca had some knowledge of knot tying.
9. The exact wording of JS's message to Rebecca indicated no hope for Max. His phone shows he placed a call to her.

So far, what makes a case for a suicide is the fact that apparently, there is no evidence of anyone other than Rebecca having handled the ropes, walking around on the balcony, handling the paint, the brushes, etc. Also, the whereabouts of DS and JS have apparently been confirmed to the ME's satisfaction. But, I'd like to see more info on that.

Such a video would certainly confirm for me that her death wasn't a hired hit. I'll never believe a hitman would spend so much time and effort to make her death look like a homicide.

JMO

Why not? It happens all the time. They just shoot someone or beat someone to death and then leave. The case is supposed to remain "unsolved". As long as the person requesting the hit cannot be traced to the event, the hit will be deemed successful by that person.

And if it wasn't a hit, but instead, a rage attack of some sort, well, oftentimes people committing such murders are not methodically thinking it through and/or have not planned what to do after the fact or thought how it might look. And sometimes, rage filled murderers don't care too much if they are caught. They just want revenge or some kind of sick satisfaction. Like Ramon Salcido, Timothy McVeigh, Ramazan Acar, Gabriel Armandariz, etc. etc. So the fact that it wasn't made to look like a suicide or an accident, does not tell me that it wasn't murder.
 
  • #358
The tongue always comes out in a hanging death the forensic expert said on HLN. I knew that already, and perhaps RZ did. (So she shoved her shirt down her throat?) He also mentioned those blood spots on her face that would show up in a strangulation, but usually not common in a hanging.
 
  • #359
Here's some questions I have in my head. I'm to believe RZ had this completely under her control in a brilliant suicide.

How did she walk without falling when she was all bound up? How did she know for sure that she would clear that balcony railing without any ropes getting hung up on the scroll iron work? Wasn't she worried this was not a good plan and that she might not die?
 
  • #360
~snipped to address the part in response to my posting:~

Why not? It happens all the time. They just shoot someone or beat someone to death and then leave. The case is supposed to remain "unsolved". As long as the person requesting the hit cannot be traced to the event, the hit will be deemed successful by that person.

And if it wasn't a hit, but instead, a rage attack of some sort, well, oftentimes people committing such murders are not methodically thinking it through and/or have not planned what to do after the fact or thought how it might look. And sometimes, rage filled murderers don't care too much if they are caught. They just want revenge or some kind of sick satisfaction. Like Ramon Salcido, Timothy McVeigh, Ramazan Acar, Gabriel Armandariz, etc. etc. So the fact that it wasn't made to look like a suicide or an accident, does not tell me that it wasn't murder.

I think there is data that proves hired hits usually do just kill and leave. Why would a hitman hang around for an extended period of time-greatly increasing the chance of being noticed-just to make a homicide look like a homicide? That makes no sense to me.

I would find the hit man theory more believable if RN's death looked totally like a suicide=No black paint, shirt in mouth, bindings, etc.

I would also find the hit man theory more believable if there is evidence someone was trying to send a message to JS or was in some way trying to exact revenge for some kind of failed business transaction or personal vendetta.

JMO
 
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