CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #11

[arielilane]

I have seen Anne say it and she represents the Z family.

Shacknai attorney warns Zahau family attorney to 'cease and desist'

From Jonah Shacknai's attorney:

Dear Ms. Bremner,

I am an attorney for Jonah Shacknai, retained by him to address false public statements you have made, which have the effect of severely damaging Mr. Shacknai's personal and business reputations. Over the past several days, you have made a series of inaccurate and utterly unsupported statements about the facts surrounding the tragic deaths of Max Shacknai and Rebecca Zahau. However, what is most concerning are recent false public statements you have made that Mr. Shacknai, because of his business success, has somehow improperly influenced the investigations and conclusions of four different, and, independent California law enforcement agencies. You have further made public comments that these agencies have applied a different standard in conducting their investigations because of Mr. Shacknai's wealth. You have absolutely no facts to support these false and irresponsible statements, and you are fully aware that such facts do not exist. Please know that your false public statements constitute defamation, per se, and under law, entitle Mr. Shacknai to recover from you, and your law firm, substantial damages.

Much more at link.............

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15406681/shacknai-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-zahau-family-attorney

Cease and desist... good grief, someone lost their life in your home, sir. jmo

 

[katydid23]

I tend to agree. Rebecca's statement was that Max was told not to ride the Razor scooter in the 2nd floor hallway. If he were riding the scooter and went down the top step and then hit the railing, with the added height of the scooter he may have been propelled up and over with enough force to reach the chandelier and the opposite railing.

In the context of the scooter resting on his shin when he was found, he would have needed to cling to the scooter long enough for it to go over as well in order for it to land on top of him. In that scenario he may have made it to the chandelier, but likely not to the opposite railing.

Did LE think that the scooter was a the bottom of the stairs in the alcove and it tipped on top of him and the end of the fall?

I think that if the scooter went over the railing it would be kind of smashed up a little . I wonder if there were any crunches or dents in it.

It is hard to believe that the scooter would clear the riling though. Scooters are bottom heavy and Max would have had to hold on really tight and literally carry it over the top to clear it.

Why was the scooter even allowed on the 2nd floor if that is where it was?
That was a lapse in the adult's judgement to allow him to even have it upstairs at all. imoo

 

[scorekeeper]

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[oceanblueeyes]

I have read the statement from his attorney, but i still have not read or seen anything in print or in interviews that anyone in RZ's family suggested that the JS family had anything to do with it. What I have seen is the family and attorney state over and over that they just want the case reopened. I would love to see any links that you might have seen where they have suggested otherwise. Just because his attorney sent that email out, doesn't make it fact. This is what attorney's do, especially attorney's who have clients who own multi-billion dollar companies, who want to protect those interests.

You would have to check the sites that have transcripts of the shows Bremner has been on. Yes, she has mentioned the things that the attorney said she did.

If the Z family doesnt agree with their lawyer's statements then they should advise her.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Cease and desist... good grief, someone lost their life in your home, sir. jmo

That is kind of unfair to attack JS for the legal language chosen by his attorney. imoo

 

[Quester]

9/8 ‘Batmanning’ Replacing ‘Planking’ As New Internet Trend

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/08/batmanning-replacing-planking-as-new-internet-trend/

 

[belimom]

I just love debating with you.............you make me think.:crazy:

Yes but those railings are made to support a lot of weight. It looks like at least three or four adults could walk out there and prop their full weight against the railings with no problem.

All I know is I feel the hemorrhages were done in the fall. Since no one saw her fall it is impossible to know what she may have hit on the way down. They weren't blunt force trauma by a perp imo. They were way too minor for that.

IMO

bbm

So who's gonna do experiment and bungee off a balcony and see what they hit? :crazy:

j/k...

 

[ehough22]

Excellent post! Now that you know the measurement(s), could you detail your theory? I would love to hear your thoughts. TIA

Sure- I don't think it's anything mind blowing, but I just wanted to make sure it was possible before I threw it out there. Assuming it's the maximum of 3 feet, that's really not that wide even considering, if there was a second person, they likely would have been unable to step foot on the balcony (by "unable" I mean there are no footprints of them). I did a very quick, not at all technical test of this and it would seemingly be possible to plant Rebecca where her footprints are shown and then tip her over the balcony. But she's unconscious or already dead. It's a lot of weight. Perhaps whomever was pushing her over first hit her head smack on either the top railing or the ironwork below it in their struggle to get 100 lbs over the railing without stepping on the balcony. It seems very possible to me that whomever tipped her over there hit her head smack on that railing (maybe trying to get that toe print, or maybe it was just a difficult task). I'm not saying it had to be hard hit because I realize they weren't major injuries, but considering I believe someone pushed her over that balcony, and there were injuries specifically to the top of her head, I can see how said someone could have hit her head on the railing due to the awkwardness of their task.

 

[Brit]

I still can't figure out why the two knives? One is much bigger than the other, but both look sharp enough to get the job done. Is it possible that one could have been used to threaten???

 

[arielilane]

That is kind of unfair to attack JS for the legal language chosen by his attorney. imoo

No attack -jmo

 

[scorekeeper]

I thought of some more to say about LE's role.

My brother is a prosecutor and recently talked about a case he had to back away from b/c he realized that it would be next to impossible to prosecute based on the evidence.

So let's look at this case. Hypothetical scenario: LE speaks with the DA and says here's the evidence - what do you think? DA says 'well it could go either way as it's hard to really tell. If we go for murder, who do you think did it? Any motive? Any weapon? Any evidence at the scene pointing to someone?' LE says, 'No real motive. No weapon. No suspect. No real evidence left behind'. So they discuss it some more and even though it's a bizarre scene for a suicide, they decide that under the circumstances, it would be easier to prove how RN could have committed suicide (thus the videos) and why (Max) rather than prove whodunnit and how in a murder scenario.

This is all just from the top of my head so I hope it makes sense...

I do not believe it was suicide but I do believe it would be a very hard case to investigate and to prosecute.

If so, why not make her manner of death as undetermined? I think that is where they screwed up. Now they have to really back pedal if they want to re-open the case. But no, they took the easy way out. They made it seem like an open and shut case. I really think that they thought everyone would accept their explanations (or lack thereof) as JS did. I think his wealth and status may have influenced the investigation. There are way to many unanswered questions. Yes, I agree with your "prosecutor/LE" conversation but I would think they would start looking (from the get-go) at RN's death as a homicide and then work back from there....it looks like they went with suicide and built their case from there........

 

[Yoda]

Can someone tell me how to find a moderator to pm to see if posting something is okay? Thank you in advance!

 

[Brit]

http://celebritydaily.net/tv/photo-neil-nalepa-rebecca-zahaus-ex-husband/

Another interesting article with an interview with RZ's ex.

 

[arielilane]

I just love debating with you.............you make me think.:crazy:

Yes but those railings are made to support a lot of weight. It looks like at least three or four adults could walk out there and prop their full weight against the railings with no problem.

All I know is I feel the hemorrhages were done in the fall. Since no one saw her fall it is impossible to know what she may have hit on the way down. They weren't blunt force trauma by a perp imo. They were way too minor for that.

IMO

The railing my not have been up to code.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That is kind of unfair to attack JS for the legal language chosen by his attorney. imoo

While I fully understand the pain of the Z family it is reckless to have an attorney say things they have not supported with facts. Anne should have known this man would not rollover and take this.

Bremner has interjected JS two other children into this case .....yet has not produced one bit of evidence they were there when Max fell. LE plainly stated that when the EMTs arrived minutes after Max fell no one was there but Rebecca and her sister.

She has also said he was planking.......yet that too has not been backed up with evidence.

So I am not surprised that JS finally has enough of this nightly speculation. Either Ms Bremner has got to back up her claims or she can find herself in a court of law as the defendant.

A lawyer of this caliber doesn't just put out letters like this just to see himself write something. Imo, his office has acquired all copies of interviews that has been done by Bremner. Imo, he means exactly what he said.

He plainly said in his letter that the Z family has every right to question the determination that LE came to..

Now the sister is putting out that Max really wanted to be around Rebecca more than his mother. Is that an appropriate thing to say when a mother has lost her only son?

The police Lt. on the case said that if any new evidence came to light they would be glad to reopen the case.

IMO

 

[belimom]

If so, why not make her manner of death as undetermined? I think that is where they screwed up. Now they have to really back pedal if they want to re-open the case. But no, they took the easy way out. They made it seem like an open and shut case. I really think that they thought everyone would accept their explanations (or lack thereof) as JS did. I think his wealth and status may have influenced the investigation. There are way to many unanswered questions. Yes, I agree with your "prosecutor/LE" conversation but I would think they would start looking (from the get-go) at RN's death as a homicide and then work back from there....it looks like they went with suicide and built their case from there........

Those are some interesting questions. I guess, if it were me, I would rather say 'I thought it was a suicide but based on new evidence (cell phone pings? new witness? DNA?), I'm reopening the case as a homicide', rather than say 'Yeah, well, I thought it was a homicide but since I didn't find anything significant, I think I'll say suicide now'. See - I think it's easier to go from suicide to homicide than vice versa. :waitasec:

 

[belimom]

Can someone tell me how to find a moderator to pm to see if posting something is okay? Thank you in advance!

The quickest way is to hit the triangular alert button at the top of a post...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The railing my not have been up to code.

I would think it would have to be and was inspected in 2007 when the home was bought. I dont think anyone would pay millions for a mansion that wasnt up to code in all ways.

IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

Those are some interesting questions. I guess, if it were me, I would rather say 'I thought it was a suicide but based on new evidence (cell phone pings? new witness? DNA?), I'm reopening the case as a homicide', rather than say 'Yeah, well, I thought it was a homicide but since I didn't find anything significant, I think I'll say suicide now'. See - I think it's easier to go from suicide to homicide than vice versa. :waitasec:

thanks, beli, makes sense.....my mind is not working right tonight
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[oceanblueeyes]

-Respectfully snipped- BBM
But, the the hemorrhages were on the TOP of her head, not the side. I don't see how she could possibly have hit the top of her head how they described her "fall".

I believe the ME said she went over in an angular position. So her body and head was tilted.

IMO