CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #11

[belimom]

I would think it would have to be and was inspected in 2007 when the home was bought. I dont think anyone would pay millions for a mansion that wasnt up to code in all ways.

IMO

I don't think it has to be up to code, unless you do some work in an area that is not to code - such as if they were replacing the rails or replacing the balcony floor, etc. In order for the city/county inspector to sign off on the completed work, everything would have to be to code.

I could be wrong but that's been our experience, when we owned a 100-year-old home with all kinds of things not to code.

 

[elfie]

-Respectfully snipped- BBM
But, the the hemorrhages were on the TOP of her head, not the side. I don't see how she could possibly have hit the top of her head how they described her "fall".

I think that if the scooter went over the railing it would be kind of smashed up a little . I wonder if there were any crunches or dents in it.

It is hard to believe that the scooter would clear the riling though. Scooters are bottom heavy and Max would have had to hold on really tight and literally carry it over the top to clear it.

Why was the scooter even allowed on the 2nd floor if that is where it was?
That was a lapse in the adult's judgement to allow him to even have it upstairs at all. imoo

And the force that it would have taken to get the scooter over with it at a dead stop at the banister would be great.
If the bar attaching the handle bar acted as a pivot or lever on the banister and he was literally clinging to it...
I'm not convinced either.

 

[elfie]

Why am I getting a double quote when replying to a post? I've seen this asked before on other threads, but don't remember the answer. TIA.

 

[arielilane]

I definitely agree that JS is not a man that would rollover and take this. However, this was his gf of two years. You would think that a joint agreement would be reached. Why not suffice RZ's family and answer their questions?

 

[doubt]

I know she is not 'meaning' to say she was uncaring or callous. But that is what is sounds like to me. Tuesday morning, hours after she is leaning over the dying child in the entry way, and she is able to take her little sister on a shopping trip on the way to the airport? Sorry, but that does not sound that great to me. That little boy died violently on her watch, and he was supposedly super close to her, 'even closer than to his own mom' according to the sisters. And yet she can muster up the strength to shop?

I feel the same way about the attorney's statement that she had no guilt about the incident, even though in her next breath Bremner is saying it was a planking accident. If that little boy died while he was trying to plank from the upstairs balcony then RN should have had a lot of guilty feelings. imoo

I do not think the sisters are doing their deceased sister any favors by doing some of these interviews. Pointing out how 'jealous' DS was of Max's love for Rebeccah was a low blow given these tragic circumstances.

wow. i saw the interview with the sister. she never said RN went on a shopping spree at an upscale mall and tried on a bunch of high-end clothing for god's sake. she said that RN took her younger sister (a minor) shopping before going to the airport. maybe they went to the pharmacy to pick up magazines for the younger one to read. maybe she needed some tylenol. point being.......RN HAD to carry on with the necessities of life, and part of it required taking care of another minor in her care at the time.

why continue to cast negative light on a dead woman at every possible turn, without ever considering what are obvious alternate explanations. it makes zero sense and it's unfair to her, and her family, should they read this.

 

[SunnieRN]

I just love debating with you.............you make me think.:crazy:

Yes but those railings are made to support a lot of weight. It looks like at least three or four adults could walk out there and prop their full weight against the railings with no problem.

All I know is I feel the hemorrhages were done in the fall. Since no one saw her fall it is impossible to know what she may have hit on the way down. They weren't blunt force trauma by a perp imo. They were way too minor for that.

IMO

1) We don't know if anyone saw the fall. It depends what you believe happened.
2) The only way I can see that happening is if she were pushed and made to hit something. Remember bungee jumpers? They don't hit the bridge.
3) An expert on ropes and hangings that was on Dr. Drew stated there should have been damage.

Most importantly, I like debating with someone who is intelligent and articulate also!!

Sure- I don't think it's anything mind blowing, but I just wanted to make sure it was possible before I threw it out there. Assuming it's the maximum of 3 feet, that's really not that wide even considering, if there was a second person, they likely would have been unable to step foot on the balcony (by "unable" I mean there are no footprints of them). I did a very quick, not at all technical test of this and it would seemingly be possible to plant Rebecca where her footprints are shown and then tip her over the balcony. But she's unconscious or already dead. It's a lot of weight. Perhaps whomever was pushing her over first hit her head smack on either the top railing or the ironwork below it in their struggle to get 100 lbs over the railing without stepping on the balcony. It seems very possible to me that whomever tipped her over there hit her head smack on that railing (maybe trying to get that toe print, or maybe it was just a difficult task). I'm not saying it had to be hard hit because I realize they weren't major injuries, but considering I believe someone pushed her over that balcony, and there were injuries specifically to the top of her head, I can see how said someone could have hit her head on the railing due to the awkwardness of their task.

Bingo!!:woohoo: That's my point exactly. I don't see any way you could get those injuries throwing yourself off the railing/balcony/bannister, phew, but could easily see it happening if someone else was involved.

I would think it would have to be and was inspected in 2007 when the home was bought. I dont think anyone would pay millions for a mansion that wasnt up to code in all ways.

IMO

From what I understand, homes built at the time this one was, often had balconies that were shorter. Just as the discussion went on the stairwell bannister, where it met the landing. Someone said this may have been shorter than average. I have no clue either way personally, but sounds logical as it would correlate to the stairwell height.

And, I always wondered what that red triangle was up in the corner!!:crazy:

 

[SunnieRN]

Why am I getting a double quote when replying to a post? I've seen this asked before on other threads, but don't remember the answer. TIA.

I wish I could help, but I've never seen that before. Sorry.:waitasec:

 

[arielilane]

bbm

So who's gonna do experiment and bungee off a balcony and see what they hit? :crazy:

j/k...

pass...

 

[arielilane]

Sure- I don't think it's anything mind blowing, but I just wanted to make sure it was possible before I threw it out there. Assuming it's the maximum of 3 feet, that's really not that wide even considering, if there was a second person, they likely would have been unable to step foot on the balcony (by "unable" I mean there are no footprints of them). I did a very quick, not at all technical test of this and it would seemingly be possible to plant Rebecca where her footprints are shown and then tip her over the balcony. But she's unconscious or already dead. It's a lot of weight. Perhaps whomever was pushing her over first hit her head smack on either the top railing or the ironwork below it in their struggle to get 100 lbs over the railing without stepping on the balcony. It seems very possible to me that whomever tipped her over there hit her head smack on that railing (maybe trying to get that toe print, or maybe it was just a difficult task). I'm not saying it had to be hard hit because I realize they weren't major injuries, but considering I believe someone pushed her over that balcony, and there were injuries specifically to the top of her head, I can see how said someone could have hit her head on the railing due to the awkwardness of their task.

I agree as well.

 

[arielilane]

Still playing catch on my reading. Multi-tasking between reading past posts and posting went well. Good-night all.

 

[deanna82437]

bbm

So who's gonna do experiment and bungee off a balcony and see what they hit? :crazy:

j/k...

count me out ...

 

[chasing.halos]

Why am I getting a double quote when replying to a post? I've seen this asked before on other threads, but don't remember the answer. TIA.

Elfie , I thinking clearing out your computer cache will take care of this problem.

 

[belimom]

Why am I getting a double quote when replying to a post? I've seen this asked before on other threads, but don't remember the answer. TIA.

You are probably pressing the "+" button at the bottom of two or more posts, which marks it for quoting whenever you reply. That's how you quote multiple posts - hit the "+" button and on the ones you want to quote as you read along, then when you finally "reply", they will all appear. Hope this helps!

 

[justice be served]

Being new at this I don't know the answer to this question. Does the Z family have access to the investigation details?

While I fully understand the pain of the Z family it is reckless to have an attorney say things they have not supported with facts. Anne should have known this man would not rollover and take this.

Bremner has interjected JS two other children into this case .....yet has not produced one bit of evidence they were there when Max fell. LE plainly stated that when the EMTs arrived minutes after Max fell no one was there but Rebecca and her sister.

She has also said he was planking.......yet that too has not been backed up with evidence.

So I am not surprised that JS finally has enough of this nightly speculation. Either Ms Bremner has got to back up her claims or she can find herself in a court of law as the defendant.

A lawyer of this caliber doesn't just put out letters like this just to see himself write something. Imo, his office has acquired all copies of interviews that has been done by Bremner. Imo, he means exactly what he said.

He plainly said in his letter that the Z family has every right to question the determination that LE came to..

Now the sister is putting out that Max really wanted to be around Rebecca more than his mother. Is that an appropriate thing to say when a mother has lost her only son?

The police Lt. on the case said that if any new evidence came to light they would be glad to reopen the case.

IMO

 

[i.b.nora]

I would estimate the depth of the exterior balcony with the iron railing to be 25.26" deep.
I don't know how wide it is. I don't know how tall the railing is. We do know that the balcony is 11' from the ground.
I don't know if that helps anyone figure anything out.

 

[Drj]

After reading Max's AR and/or ME report, I am perplexed by something. The AR describes Max as landing face first onto the ground. The AR/ME mentions that Rebecca began Rescue Breathing on Max, however, he would need to be on his back to do so...
If he landed face first (poor thing, so sad), she would have had to turn him over onto his back to perform Rescue Breathing/CPR. Yet if this transpired, how did the scooter end up on his shin (according to the report) when the EMT's arrived? Perhaps I did not comprehend the report...has this bothered anyone else?

 

[deanna82437]

Being new at this I don't know the answer to this question. Does the Z family have access to the investigation details?

I don't know for sure, but I would think they should. But really who knows. It disturbs me a lot they were not even in the loop until a few days before the PC. Not a good thing IMO.

 

[katydid23]

wow. i saw the interview with the sister. she never said RN went on a shopping spree at an upscale mall and tried on a bunch of high-end clothing for god's sake. she said that RN took her younger sister (a minor) shopping before going to the airport. maybe they went to the pharmacy to pick up magazines for the younger one to read. maybe she needed some tylenol. point being.......RN HAD to carry on with the necessities of life, and part of it required taking care of another minor in her care at the time.

why continue to cast negative light on a dead woman at every possible turn, without ever considering what are obvious alternate explanations. it makes zero sense and it's unfair to her, and her family, should they read this.

The way that her family has been speaking lately, I am not that worried if they read anything I have posted. I have no problem saying that I do not believe that Max's accident happened the way that RN said it did. That is just a feeling and a hunch that I have, given the evidence compared to her account. And the Z family attorney actually came out and verified my hunch recently themselves.

When I cast a 'negative' light, I am actually responding to the things they are saying when trying to cast a positive light. When they say how 'jealous' Max's mother was because he loved RN so much, and that she did not have any sense of guilt over the accident, and even told her family that. I am sorry, but I feel compelled to respond to those comments by the Z family.

I feel they DO cast RN in a negative light and they should stop talking in that manner. imoo And as long as they decide to do so, I am going to respond in kind. I am not being unfair, imo, I am being honest.

They are the ones using the shopping incident as an example to show she could not have felt suicidal. I do not think it means that at all. I think it means she was in denial about the situation and did not understand the enormity, yet.

Sure, maybe she just stopped to pick up magazines for the plane, but if so, why would they drag it out as some kind of evidence that she was 'fine.' They even said that she was able to speak to her parents just fine about other subjects, and she told them also the list of things she was doing for JS the next day. Again, she sounds to me like she was in denial about the intensity of looming situation.

 

[Peaceful]

Check this out guys:

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Rebecca_Zahau"]Death of Rebecca Zahau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[SunnieRN]

Being new at this I don't know the answer to this question. Does the Z family have access to the investigation details?

From what I understand, they have not gotten any information. That may change now that they have a lawyer however.