CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #11

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  • #561
Apparently the Christian Bible college was done by correspondence.

I have no links right now, but understood she met people, her husband and friend, in person while attending. That would rule out online correspondence.
 
  • #562
I have no links right now, but understood she met people, her husband and friend, in person while attending. That would rule out online correspondence.

The person who said they met also said it was an online course. So maybe they "met" via the internet?
 
  • #563
BBM

I'm sure it's true about the search warrant. Do we/anyone know what time the search warrants were issued?
It did take some time for the ME to arrive at the scene. 12 hours
Seems an extremely long time even for a busy ME. Makes a person wonder and question things.

Back to thinking and watching other horrific events .. 9/11/2001.

BBM

I apologize to all if this has been covered but what, again, is the reason a search warrant was required to investigate Rebecca's death? And is that normal procedure?
 
  • #564
Once 911 is called and LE responds with the EMT's, LE does not have to have a warrant at all. It would be deemed a crime scene and even the owner of the property could not refuse LE access. Ever.

The warrant, IMO, was to enter the home. Not the back lawn. LE had every right to be there. YES, even early on LE could have errected an open side cover over Rebecca's body. I am still furious that it was not done and she was left all day open to the sun, breeze, or whatever elements existed. I do blame LE for even allowing a media helicopter over Rebecca's body and photographing it. LE had the authority to contact FAA officials and have that area declared off limits.

Where the warrant comes in is when LE wanted to enter the residence and look for evidence within it.

MOO, IMO

LE didn't need a warrant to enter the residence. The 911 call was all the invitation LE needed to go inside. The warrant was needed to search the house. All, jmo.

I do not agree that a local LE agency has the authority to clear air space for such a reason. That would create chaos for the FAA, especially so close to a military installation. I do agree LE should have thrown a covering over the body but I don't blame LE for the photos. The real disrespect was by those who took photos and distributed them.

JMO
 
  • #565
general discussion threads will be closing down now that you have an entire forum. :)
Please start moving the convo out because we can't bump or resurrect old convo that is locked up in the general discussion threads.
Probably won;t close this until tomorrow-but please start moving the convo to topic specific threads.
thanks.
 
  • #566
The person who said they met also said it was an online course. So maybe they "met" via the internet?

Do you have a link?

I found this here:

http://celebritydaily.net/tv/photo-neil-nalepa-rebecca-zahaus-ex-husband/

36 year-old Neil J. Nalepa a nursing student from Scottsdale, Arizona went to was married to Rebecca Zahau. He went to Centereach High School in Suffolk County, New York on Long Island, graduated on 1993. He met Rebecca Zahau at a Bible College in Austria they got married on 2002 and stayed together for nine years until they split up on January, 2010. Their divorce was finalized on February, 2011, Rebecca Nalepa change her name back to Rebecca Zahau on May 17th, 2011 when she filed a petition at the Superior Court of Arizona in Maricopa County.
 
  • #567
I have a few thoughts about this that are nothing more than thoughts. I'm still on the fence about whether or not Rebecca committed suicide, although I have begun leaning towards her death being suicide the more that I read here.

Anyway, I actually have heard about quite a few naked suicides committed by women in Korea. My husband and I used to travel to Korea, China, and Japan quite a bit and you'd be surprised at the rate of suicides that happen throughout Asia. Women commit suicide just as much or little bit more, in fact, than men do in those regions. Almost all of the deaths are hanging, slashing the wrists in the tub, or leaping to their deaths, in the nude. Some of those suicides have had bindings.

I remember being in Korea when one woman was reported to have been found nude and bound, hanging to her death. My husband and I obviously assumed it had been murder, but our host told us that bound suicides were not unsual. Apparently, slip knots can be used so that hands and feet can maneuver just fine until the person leaps to his/her death. Up until that point, I had been very naive about suicides. I still am, to some degree.

I think we have to caution against judging Rebecca by our standards, because it should be noted that she was born in another country and didn't come to the US til she was an adult. What we might think a woman might never do, might be quite common in Rebecca's culture or mindset.

So I do believe Rebecca had the personal make-up for suicide, and that she very well could have killed herself in the manner that has been claimed. However, just because something's possible doesn't mean it actually happened, and I'm reserving judgement til more information becomes available.


Greetings fellow websleuths!
With all due respect, Rebecca was of Burmese background, not Korean. They're completely different countries, cultures, languages, histories and specific stressors and even differences amongst generations in group identification or shared "group-think" concepts with regards to things like marriage and sexuality so loosely inferred from this case.

While it's true contemporary Korea has staggeringly high rate of suicide and poor mental health resources amongst OECD countries, it's only useful for us to infer data pertaining to Korea for Rebecca, if she too was under similar stressors of surviving in ultra-competitive society due to drastic postwar modernization, that led to erosion of traditional gender roles and creating new conflicts between expectation and aspiration, stigmatization of mental illnesses, hyper-internet connectivity (something like 80%+ of all Korea) that creates an all-pervasive, instant gossip network to judge and spread libel of lethal consequences, etc. There are also economic stressors for all income brackets, utter lack of resources and legal deterrents for domestic violence, violence against women and children that altogether feed into further cycles of mental breakdown.

So before applying "data" of suicide in Korea to this case, we need to ask: Did Rebecca have these similar stressors of Korean society in her life as Burmese-American? How traditionally Burmese was Rebecca? How much of her traditional Burmese values were augmented and changed by her rather multi-cultural, hyphenated experiences in her short 32 years: influences from studying in Austria, living and working in America over a decade? Are her resources to alleviate presumed mental state, as limited as those in Korea? Did her choice of non-Burmese partners, indicate she was more "Westernized" and thus shared similar attitudes and sensbilities with Nalepa and Schacknai, than she would with a Burmese man to "uphold" traditional Burmese values?

And if we pursue this "looks Asian, must do as *most* Asians" to its extreme logic, then a common factor of suicide in "(monolithic) Asian" women is protesting against their unjust dishonor sealed by those wielding power over them (usually elders and men in higher status, Confucian insitutions of the family clan, law, marriage etc.) Are we then to assume that she was declaring her innocence of Max's accident and death, using death to clear her name with a powerful family against whose suffocation (in assuming the "traditional Asian context") she was ultimately helpless?

I suggest it's more enlightening to actually conduct a psychological profile of Rebecca unique to her circumstances - i.e. interview her long-time acquaintances, tracing her actual personal history of very diverse global footprint, that is influenced and shaped by various experiences of schooling, working, socializing in various countries over a decade. For example, would Schacknai in his role as divorcé, father, and man of worldly success, consider proposing to a partner who's more staunch traditionalist of a cultural background "inscrutable" to both himself and his children, or one who's relatively assimilated and cosmopolitan in steps to create a step-family together?
 
  • #568
general discussion threads will be closing down now that you have an entire forum. :)
Please start moving the convo out because we can't bump or resurrect old convo that is locked up in the general discussion threads.
Probably won;t close this until tomorrow-but please start moving the convo to topic specific threads.
thanks.

Would you be kind enough to list them in one reply? It would make it much easier to go there all at once on the ones we want to go to.

Thanks for everything you do. Very much appreciated.

Obviously I missed what you posted earlier .. sorry :(
 
  • #569
LE didn't need a warrant to enter the residence. The 911 call was all the invitation LE needed to go inside. The warrant was needed to search the house. All, jmo.

I do not agree that a local LE agency has the authority to clear air space for such a reason. That would create chaos for the FAA, especially so close to a military installation. I do agree LE should have thrown a covering over the body but I don't blame LE for the photos. The real disrespect was by those who took photos and distributed them.

JMO

Sorry, I beg to differ. If LE wanted to enter the residence, look at, then cart away any evidence other than at the crime scene itself, a warrant would be needed.

JMO
 
  • #570
Greetings fellow websleuths!
With all due respect, Rebecca was of Burmese background, not Korean. They're completely different countries, cultures, languages, histories and specific stressors and even differences amongst generations in group identification or shared "group-think" concepts with regards to things like marriage and sexuality so loosely inferred from this case.

While it's true contemporary Korea has staggeringly high rate of suicide and poor mental health resources amongst OECD countries, it's only useful for us to infer data pertaining to Korea for Rebecca, if she too was under similar stressors of surviving in ultra-competitive society due to drastic postwar modernization, that led to erosion of traditional gender roles and creating new conflicts between expectation and aspiration, stigmatization of mental illnesses, hyper-internet connectivity (something like 80%+ of all Korea) that creates an all-pervasive, instant gossip network to judge and spread libel of lethal consequences, etc. There are also economic stressors for all income brackets, utter lack of resources and legal deterrents for domestic violence, violence against women and children that altogether feed into further cycles of mental breakdown.

So before applying "data" of suicide in Korea to this case, we need to ask: Did Rebecca have these similar stressors of Korean society in her life as Burmese-American? How traditionally Burmese was Rebecca? How much of her traditional Burmese values were augmented and changed by her rather multi-cultural, hyphenated experiences in her short 32 years: influences from studying in Austria, living and working in America over a decade? Are her resources to alleviate presumed mental state, as limited as those in Korea? Did her choice of non-Burmese partners, indicate she was more "Westernized" and thus shared similar attitudes and sensbilities with Nalepa and Schacknai, than she would with a Burmese man to "uphold" traditional Burmese values?

And if we pursue this "looks Asian, must do as *most* Asians" to its extreme logic, then a common factor of suicide in "(monolithic) Asian" women is protesting against their unjust dishonor sealed by those wielding power over them (usually elders and men in higher status, Confucian insitutions of the family clan, law, marriage etc.) Are we then to assume that she was declaring her innocence of Max's accident and death, using death to clear her name with a powerful family against whose suffocation (in assuming the "traditional Asian context") she was ultimately helpless?

I suggest it's more enlightening to actually conduct a psychological profile of Rebecca unique to her circumstances - i.e. interview her long-time acquaintances, tracing her actual personal history of very diverse global footprint, that is influenced and shaped by various experiences of schooling, working, socializing in various countries over a decade. For example, would Schacknai in his role as divorcé, father, and man of worldly success, consider proposing to a partner who's more staunch traditionalist of a cultural background "inscrutable" to both himself and his children, or one who's relatively assimilated and cosmopolitan in steps to create a step-family together?

I gave a Korean suicide as an example of a woman binding herself (hand and feet) and hanging herself as an example that it has been done, because the Zahau family lawyer said she has never heard of such a suicide before. Really? There have been thousands of them!

Also, Burmese suicide victims are lumped under Asian suicide victims in statitics and that's what I was referring to specifically.
 
  • #571
I've been interested in the fact that Rebecca has been described by her family as a Christian and very religious, and yet her boyfriend was Jewish. Did that cause any stress in that relationship? I don't know if JS's first wife was originally Jewish, but their children were raised Jewish. DS's father's obit shows him to be Catholic, MS was buried in a Jewish cemetery in the Phoenix area, so I assume MS was also being raised Jewish. I don't know if JS and Rebecca were planning to have children, but if so I would think that would have been a problem and JS may have wanted her to convert to Judaism.

DS's father's 2003 obit also says that he enjoyed yachting in Coronado, so JS may own a boat. And someone mentioned that the picture of RZ and MS looked like it was taken on a boat, it may well have been.
 
  • #572
I've been interested in the fact that Rebecca has been described by her family as a Christian and very religious, and yet her boyfriend was Jewish. Did that cause any stress in that relationship? I don't know if JS's first wife was originally Jewish, but their children were raised Jewish. DS's father's obit shows him to be Catholic, MS was buried in a Jewish cemetery in the Phoenix area, so I assume MS was also being raised Jewish. I don't know if JS and Rebecca were planning to have children, but if so I would think that would have been a problem and JS may have wanted her to convert to Judaism.

DS's father's 2003 obit also says that he enjoyed yachting in Coronado, so JS may own a boat. And someone mentioned that the picture of RZ and MS looked like it was taken on a boat, it may well have been.

Just because JS might own a boat doesn't mean RN would be expected to dock it using the types of knots she supposedly used to tie herself with.
 
  • #573
Greetings fellow websleuths!
With all due respect, Rebecca was of Burmese background, not Korean. They're completely different countries, cultures, languages, histories and specific stressors and even differences amongst generations in group identification or shared "group-think" concepts with regards to things like marriage and sexuality so loosely inferred from this case.

While it's true contemporary Korea has staggeringly high rate of suicide and poor mental health resources amongst OECD countries, it's only useful for us to infer data pertaining to Korea for Rebecca, if she too was under similar stressors of surviving in ultra-competitive society due to drastic postwar modernization, that led to erosion of traditional gender roles and creating new conflicts between expectation and aspiration, stigmatization of mental illnesses, hyper-internet connectivity (something like 80%+ of all Korea) that creates an all-pervasive, instant gossip network to judge and spread libel of lethal consequences, etc. There are also economic stressors for all income brackets, utter lack of resources and legal deterrents for domestic violence, violence against women and children that altogether feed into further cycles of mental breakdown.

So before applying "data" of suicide in Korea to this case, we need to ask: Did Rebecca have these similar stressors of Korean society in her life as Burmese-American? How traditionally Burmese was Rebecca? How much of her traditional Burmese values were augmented and changed by her rather multi-cultural, hyphenated experiences in her short 32 years: influences from studying in Austria, living and working in America over a decade? Are her resources to alleviate presumed mental state, as limited as those in Korea? Did her choice of non-Burmese partners, indicate she was more "Westernized" and thus shared similar attitudes and sensbilities with Nalepa and Schacknai, than she would with a Burmese man to "uphold" traditional Burmese values?

And if we pursue this "looks Asian, must do as *most* Asians" to its extreme logic, then a common factor of suicide in "(monolithic) Asian" women is protesting against their unjust dishonor sealed by those wielding power over them (usually elders and men in higher status, Confucian insitutions of the family clan, law, marriage etc.) Are we then to assume that she was declaring her innocence of Max's accident and death, using death to clear her name with a powerful family against whose suffocation (in assuming the "traditional Asian context") she was ultimately helpless?

I suggest it's more enlightening to actually conduct a psychological profile of Rebecca unique to her circumstances - i.e. interview her long-time acquaintances, tracing her actual personal history of very diverse global footprint, that is influenced and shaped by various experiences of schooling, working, socializing in various countries over a decade. For example, would Schacknai in his role as divorcé, father, and man of worldly success, consider proposing to a partner who's more staunch traditionalist of a cultural background "inscrutable" to both himself and his children, or one who's relatively assimilated and cosmopolitan in steps to create a step-family together?

This is a wonderful post. Beautifully written. I swork with many filipina nurses and even a few from Africa and Mexico. Some embrace American culture and some hold closely to the traditions of their country or origin.

We do not have enough family, friend or co workers statements to know in which category Rebecca 'fit'.
 
  • #574
Do you have a link?

I found this here:

http://celebritydaily.net/tv/photo-neil-nalepa-rebecca-zahaus-ex-husband/

36 year-old Neil J. Nalepa a nursing student from Scottsdale, Arizona went to was married to Rebecca Zahau. He went to Centereach High School in Suffolk County, New York on Long Island, graduated on 1993. He met Rebecca Zahau at a Bible College in Austria they got married on 2002 and stayed together for nine years until they split up on January, 2010. Their divorce was finalized on February, 2011, Rebecca Nalepa change her name back to Rebecca Zahau on May 17th, 2011 when she filed a petition at the Superior Court of Arizona in Maricopa County.

If I remember correctly, the friend, who said she received a card from Rebecca, that wa made by her, stated that they met in Austria also. Sorry don't have time to look for the link, have to go to work.
 
  • #575
If I remember correctly, the friend, who said she received a card from Rebecca, that wa made by her, stated that they met in Austria also. Sorry don't have time to look for the link, have to go to work.

“She was like a sister... just a very dear friend. We met through bible college. Actually, she was a correspondent student... I was the administration...” said Memarian.

http://www.examiner.com/us-headline...-was-a-christian-and-knew-only-god-could-save
 
  • #576
  • #577
They praised Jonah when Rebecca's death first was announced. The sister gave a statement to the press that was nothing but positive. She didn't say, "Jonah says my sister killed herself but we don't believe it". She praised him.

Do you have a link for this? 2nd request, but TIA
 
  • #578
BINGO!!! This needs to be posted in the arguments for murder thread!!!
Thank you again for the warm welcome, Sunnie. :tyou: ;:hug:

A "murder" thread is a very good idea.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148961"]The case for murder - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Cynic, please correct me if I am wrong, but can't prints be taken from a garbage bag also? I have seen other cases where this has occurred. If the perp used it to cover his hands while painting, there would be finger prints inside the bag where he touched it, correct?:waitasec:
You are correct!
 
  • #579
Do you have a link for this? 2nd request, but TIA

This isn't the one I'm looking for but I found it in my search:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/q...edirected=true


Zahau's brother-in-law Doug Loehner issued a statement Thursday.

"Jonah is a stand-up guy. He was very devoted to Rebecca. She treated his kids as her own," Loehner said.

I know I read what I'm looking for in one of these 11 threads. I'm re-reading them for my own use and I'll post the appropriate quote when I come across it again.
 
  • #580
This isn't the one I'm looking for but I found it in my search:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/q...edirected=true


I know I read what I'm looking for in one of these 11 threads. I'm re-reading them for my own use and I'll post the appropriate quote when I come across it again.

Your link comes up with a bad request error, but I'm familiar with the brother-in-law's statement that he considered JS a "standup kinda guy". That was early on. You don't need to search for me. I think I understand how the family feels.
 
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