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California Explosion at fertility clinic in Palm Springs, at least one dead, May 2025
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Unfortunately, I don't find this strange at all. The church I grew up in was extremely anti same sex relationships and the belief was that if God wanted you to have children, he would give them to you. Therefore, no one should go through IVF or surrogacy or even use birth control. However, adoption was acceptable and you were held in high regard if you adopted a child. Some people believed that you should not have sex unless you were actively trying to conceive and that you should not enjoy it.
Though I was raised in this church, these were not my beliefs. I stopped attending when I was about 16 or 17 and my mom could not control me anymore. Since then she has told me that I am going to hell because I believe gay people have rights. It's absurd. I wish I could say these ideas are no longer, but there is a reason I don't see my family often.
I am not saying the person who did this was religious or that any church taught him his way of thinking. Rather, I'm just putting out there that people have extreme beliefs on just about anything, even things most of us would find positive. I've encountered several people who make comments like, "I didn't ask to be born," or, "No one asked if I wanted to be here," or, "I didn't give permission to exist."
While this way of thinking may have prepared the ground for Bartkus's anti-natalist views or influenced his choice of a target, as far as I know, anti-natalists also think one shouldn't have children by procreation. That said, some anti-natalists may view IVF as worse than sex because it involves conscious planning rather than instinctual lust.
I gather that "pro-mortalism" (which Bartkus may also have believed) says that because life is suffering, best to die ASAP. Opponents point out that life also involves positive experiences. Buddhists would argue that the suffering comes from attachment and that it helps to come to identify with a neutral witnessing consciousness...
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The person suspected of detonating a car bomb outside a California fertility clinic on Saturday – and dying in the process – has been identified by local media reports as 25-year-old Guy Edward Bartkus.
According to outlets citing sources familiar with the matter, Bartkus is a resident of Twentynine Palms, home to a large marine base located about an hour away from Palm Springs, where the explosion in question occurred.
The sources added that Bartkus stated in writings or recordings that he was against bringing people into the world against their will
In a Facebook post on Sunday morning, the San Bernardino county sheriff’s department said there is law enforcement “occurring in Twentynine Palms”, which is “an FBI investigation related to the Palm Springs explosion”.
Suspect identified in ‘intentional’ explosion at Palm Springs fertility clinic
Man, 25, who died after car bombing, reportedly wrote he was against bringing people into world against their will
Police found two rifles — an AK-47 and an AR-style rifle — along with ammunition next to the exploded vehicle, according to an internal briefing obtained by the LA Times.
Palm Springs IVF clinic bomber ID’d as Guy Edward Bartkus — as FBI evacuates residents from ‘blast zone’ around his house
The FBI declared a “blast zone” and cleared residents in the Twentynine Palms neighborhood over concerns that bomb-making materials could be inside a home.
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Anti-natalism refers to the belief that no one should have children. Investigators are focusing on social media posts made by the suspect, including a 30-minute audio recording, which they say support anti-natalist views. While the posts and the recording are still being verified, officials believe they reflect the ideology behind the bombing.
The same person may also be linked to an online forum post from earlier this month in which the individual contemplated suicide using an explosive device, the sources said. They are also investigating a YouTube account, under the same moniker, that features videos of experiments with homemade explosives.
www.nbcnews.com
*Bartkus is allegedly the creator of a website titled "promortalism.com," which presents a detailed statement of his beliefs. Pro-mortalism is a philosophy related to antinatalism, advocating the idea that death has positive value and that bringing people into existence is morally wrong. The site offers a downloadable video of the bombing and a series of explanations justifying the act.
The manifesto states that existence causes suffering and argues for a “peaceful” death to prevent future harm, like a “disease or accident.” One section of the site expresses an extreme anti-natalist worldview, stating, “The end goal is for the truth (Efilism) to win, and once it does, we can finally begin the process of sterilizing this planet of the disease of life.”
“Life can only continue as long as people hold the delusional belief that it is not a zero sum game causing senseless torture, and messes it can never, or only partially, clean up. I think we need a war against pro-lifers.”
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The same person may also be linked to an online forum post from earlier this month in which the individual contemplated suicide using an explosive device, the sources said. They are also investigating a YouTube account, under the same moniker, that features videos of experiments with homemade explosives.
FBI links California fertility clinic bombing to anti-natalist ideology
The attack left one dead on Saturday and injured four others.
www.nbcnews.com
*Bartkus is allegedly the creator of a website titled "promortalism.com," which presents a detailed statement of his beliefs. Pro-mortalism is a philosophy related to antinatalism, advocating the idea that death has positive value and that bringing people into existence is morally wrong. The site offers a downloadable video of the bombing and a series of explanations justifying the act.
The manifesto states that existence causes suffering and argues for a “peaceful” death to prevent future harm, like a “disease or accident.” One section of the site expresses an extreme anti-natalist worldview, stating, “The end goal is for the truth (Efilism) to win, and once it does, we can finally begin the process of sterilizing this planet of the disease of life.”
“Life can only continue as long as people hold the delusional belief that it is not a zero sum game causing senseless torture, and messes it can never, or only partially, clean up. I think we need a war against pro-lifers.”
California IVF clinic bombing suspect called for ‘war against pro-lifers,’ had anti-natalist worldview
The suspect died in the explosion, and at least four people were injured in the attack.
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Anti-natalism refers to the belief that no one should have children. Investigators are focusing on social media posts made by the suspect, including a 30-minute audio recording, which they say support anti-natalist views. While the posts and the recording are still being verified, officials believe they reflect the ideology behind the bombing.
The same person may also be linked to an online forum post from earlier this month in which the individual contemplated suicide using an explosive device, the sources said. They are also investigating a YouTube account, under the same moniker, that features videos of experiments with homemade explosives.
FBI links California fertility clinic bombing to anti-natalist ideology
The attack left one dead on Saturday and injured four others.
*Bartkus is allegedly the creator of a website titled "promortalism.com," which presents a detailed statement of his beliefs. Pro-mortalism is a philosophy related to antinatalism, advocating the idea that death has positive value and that bringing people into existence is morally wrong. The site offers a downloadable video of the bombing and a series of explanations justifying the act.
The manifesto states that existence causes suffering and argues for a “peaceful” death to prevent future harm, like a “disease or accident.” One section of the site expresses an extreme anti-natalist worldview, stating, “The end goal is for the truth (Efilism) to win, and once it does, we can finally begin the process of sterilizing this planet of the disease of life.”
“Life can only continue as long as people hold the delusional belief that it is not a zero sum game causing senseless torture, and messes it can never, or only partially, clean up. I think we need a war against pro-lifers.”
California IVF clinic bombing suspect called for ‘war against pro-lifers,’ had anti-natalist worldview
The suspect died in the explosion, and at least four people were injured in the attack.
Thank goodness he no longer exist.
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I’m not sure what category he belonged in. Don’t think it right or left.
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What we know about the alleged Palm Springs bomber
Authorities have identified Guy Edward Bartkus, 25, as the person tied to Saturday's fatal bomb attack. Bartkus was killed in the attack. He appears to have posted a 30-minute audio recording describing himself as a "promortalist" and explaining his views.
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Sounds like to me he was just miserable with life.
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I don’t see antinatalism as right wing.
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Husband said when his lab ate a shoe he fed him a big bowl of rice with a stick of butter so he would pass it.
He may no longer exist, but the anti-natalist movement, along with the "Voluntary Human Extinction Movement" and other similar groups still exist, and they have influence over young people who may suffer from depression, be suicidal, or have other mental health issues. Exposure on social media to dark, anti-life sites is definitely an issue for young people who are struggling with finding hope and meaning in their own lives.
More on the anti-natalist movement/ideology -
The term is also strongly associated with the writings of the philosopher David Benetar, the author of Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence. Mackellen, who does call herself an antinatalist, says her thinking leans his way. “He has thought about it a lot and has come to an acceptance that if creatures are born, they’re going to suffer, therefore let’s not make new ones. I tend to agree.” But she has mixed feelings. “I also work with people in the community and I really enjoy it. I have somewhat of a background in science and I love so many of the things we’ve accomplished. So I’m not completely anti-human, but I understand where he’s coming from.”
It’s easy to wonder whether Benetar and many antinatalists are simply depressed. Mackellen disagrees: “It’s been challenging at times, but for the most part I’ve had a good life,” she says. “I’ve never been suicidal. I’d actually like to live a long time and be healthy for the rest of my life.” Her concerns for humans are mostly environmental, “what new people will experience with global warming and microplastics in our water. I think it would be unfair of me to create new people to have a worse life than mine.”
www.theguardian.com
The term is also strongly associated with the writings of the philosopher David Benetar, the author of Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence. Mackellen, who does call herself an antinatalist, says her thinking leans his way. “He has thought about it a lot and has come to an acceptance that if creatures are born, they’re going to suffer, therefore let’s not make new ones. I tend to agree.” But she has mixed feelings. “I also work with people in the community and I really enjoy it. I have somewhat of a background in science and I love so many of the things we’ve accomplished. So I’m not completely anti-human, but I understand where he’s coming from.”
It’s easy to wonder whether Benetar and many antinatalists are simply depressed. Mackellen disagrees: “It’s been challenging at times, but for the most part I’ve had a good life,” she says. “I’ve never been suicidal. I’d actually like to live a long time and be healthy for the rest of my life.” Her concerns for humans are mostly environmental, “what new people will experience with global warming and microplastics in our water. I think it would be unfair of me to create new people to have a worse life than mine.”
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FBI: Palm Springs explosion suspect "had nihilistic ideations," is believed dead after fertility clinic bombing
A suspect believed to be the perpetrator of the fertility reproductive clinic bombing in Palm Springs, Calif. Saturday, has been identified as Guy Edward Bartkus, 25, a resident of Twentynine Palms.
www.cbsnews.com
Suspect had "nihilistic ideation," per the FBI.
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He kinda sounds like he was an incel.
"I don't wanna have kids, anyway."
"I don't wanna have kids, anyway."
Many of the anti-natalists don't want to have kids, anyway, so it fits with their ideology. Male and female anti-natalists, same deal.
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The rd that was closed (abode) which i think he lived on leads into the base. Maybe it was checked to see if any explosives were missing. He could have worked there. They seems to be able to ID him pretty quick, car could have been in his name. Jmo
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This whole thing gives Zizian cult vibes, MOO
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I just meant that he probably became an anti-natalist to cope with his lack of a partner.
I might be wrong but I don't think that's the case here. He doesn't sound like an incel to me, just someone absolutely done with life in general.
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