CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

[Bobbi Pearl]

Regarding HS will, this article has a lot of information. It was definitely not a joint will, because they had to apply for an appointment of estate trustee for Honey.

I really think she had a will that is still out there somewhere.

Honey Sherman ‘updated’ her will shortly before billionaire couple slain, confidant reveals - WWWHive Digital

“Honey and I were talking and she said meet me at Yonge and St. Clair Avenue. She said she was just coming from her lawyer’s office and she had just updated her will. She had done some amendments,” the confidant told the Star. “Honey said she wanted me to first go with her to Loblaws to get those frozen croissants from Ace Bakery that she liked, then we would go to her home.”

"Over the time the service provider worked for Honey, Honey often stressed the importance of having a will and “making sure everything is protected,” said the service provider."

“We don’t know who the beneficiaries are, if there is a will,” Sherman estate lawyer Timothy Youdan told the court hearing. “We don’t know if there is no will.” To proceed with the administration of the couple’s estate after the deaths, Youdan filed a document asking for the “appointment of estate trustee without a will in the estate of Honey Sherman.”

hmmm thinking if HS had a will then who would the executor be? BS or her sister? or BS, if he is not alive then her sister?

If HS had a will I am sure her sister would be aware and shared one.

I think she personally was covered in his will, she was dependent on BS's income, she herself did not earn a paycheque from anywhere.

It is surprising she would have millions in her name and no will, unless all of those purchases have contracts already attached, like a prenuptial agreement, if one of a group of purchasers passes then the other members acquire their portion of the pie. Or again they are Sherfam financed and they just call in the loan or sell it off.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

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[juli99]

hmmm thinking if HS had a will then who would the executor be? BS or her sister? or BS, if he is not alive then her sister?

If HS had a will I am sure her sister would be aware and shared one.

I think she personally was covered in his will, she was dependent on BS's income, she herself did not earn a paycheque from anywhere.

It is surprising she would have millions in her name and no will, unless all of those purchases have contracts already attached, like a prenuptial agreement, if one of a group of purchasers passes then the other members acquire their portion of the pie. Or again they are Sherfam financed and they just call in the loan or sell it off.

I'm not a lawyer (maybe someone here is), but I think because of the application in absence of a will to appoint a trustee that means Honey was not covered by Barry's will. I just went through this with my brother's estate - when there is no will, you apply to appoint a trustee. My dad had to renounce the position because he was the closest relative but wanted me to do it.

 

[juli99]

I did a little map of the day that HS supposedly updated her will. BS lawyer was noted as Davies Ward Phillips and Vineberg LLP which is located at 155 Wellington St West way down near the lake. Next is her meetup with the "friend" at St. Clair and Yonge. Next is the Loblaws to get croissants, presumably the one on St. Clair Ave. Finally, the trip back to 50 Old Colony.

My questions based on the map are:
1. Was she traveling alone that day without BS? If so, why? If the will was in his name why wasn't he there?
2. Was HS someone who was comfortable driving downtown by herself? Did she ever take public transit? Was she driving that day?
2. Why meet at St. Clair and Yonge? Did she actually go to a different lawyer that was closer to that location?

More questions than answers I guess. All speculation IMO and based on the unsubstantiated report from her friend.

 

[Badgerette]

Regarding HS will, this article has a lot of information. It was definitely not a joint will, because they had to apply for an appointment of estate trustee for Honey.

I really think she had a will that is still out there somewhere.

Honey Sherman ‘updated’ her will shortly before billionaire couple slain, confidant reveals - WWWHive Digital

“Honey and I were talking and she said meet me at Yonge and St. Clair Avenue. She said she was just coming from her lawyer’s office and she had just updated her will. She had done some amendments,” the confidant told the Star. “Honey said she wanted me to first go with her to Loblaws to get those frozen croissants from Ace Bakery that she liked, then we would go to her home.”

"Over the time the service provider worked for Honey, Honey often stressed the importance of having a will and “making sure everything is protected,” said the service provider."

“We don’t know who the beneficiaries are, if there is a will,” Sherman estate lawyer Timothy Youdan told the court hearing. “We don’t know if there is no will.” To proceed with the administration of the couple’s estate after the deaths, Youdan filed a document asking for the “appointment of estate trustee without a will in the estate of Honey Sherman.”

I'd love to see what Honey Sherman's cell phone location tracking would look like for said day.

 

[WINDSOR]

No lawyer has come forward publicly saying that a will exists, or that he was involved in preparing one. So after four years there is little likelihood there was a will for Honey. No doubt the decision not to have a will for Honey involved Barry and the family legal counsel.

 

[juli99]

No lawyer has come forward publicly saying that a will exists, or that he was involved in preparing one. So after four years there is little likelihood there was a will for Honey. No doubt the decision not to have a will for Honey involved Barry and the family legal counsel.

I wonder when Barry's will was last updated.

Never mind, I found it:

Slain billionaire Barry Sherman divided estate equally among four children

"Barry’s primary will is dated May 13, 2005 but it was amended in March, 2017, just prior to his death, to change the trustees listed.

He previously named eight trustees including all four of his children but in 2017 changed it so that only his son Jonathon Sherman, his son-in law Bradley Krawczyk, his business partner Jack Kay and family holding company executive Alex Glasenberg were listed as trustees."

So was that person just making up the story about what Honey said that day?

 

[WINDSOR]

Considering the NW being the Suspect in the Sherman's deaths, I am curious why he left the Sherman's home on foot and continued walking a considerable distance, before the camera's lost sight of him.
Most of us would pre-arrange to be picked up by a car a short distance away from the Sherman home. So I wonder why the long walk was chosen instead.
Some of my thoughts.
1) A vehicle would be too easy to spot and identify by investigators near the Sherman home.
2) Owner/operator vehicle records are traceable.
3) Very difficult to identify a lone pedestrian.
4) NW is from a country where walking is a common mode of travelling.
5) Even if NW was detained by TPS that night, they would not know who else was involved. If the NW was caught with a driver, the the TPS would know there had been at least more than one conspirator.
6) It so important in this context to learn, after the NW was last photographed. where did he go?

 

[dotr]

NW. refresher posts

The Night Walker: Kevin Donovan on the suspect in the Sherman murders
Dec 20, 2021

 

[juli99]

Considering the NW being the Suspect in the Sherman's deaths, I am curious why he left the Sherman's home on foot and continued walking a considerable distance, before the camera's lost sight of him.
Most of us would pre-arrange to be picked up by a car a short distance away from the Sherman home. So I wonder why the long walk was chosen instead.
Some of my thoughts.
1) A vehicle would be too easy to spot and identify by investigators near the Sherman home.
2) Owner/operator vehicle records are traceable.
3) Very difficult to identify a lone pedestrian.
4) NW is from a country where walking is a common mode of travelling.
5) Even if NW was detained by TPS that night, they would not know who else was involved. If the NW was caught with a driver, the the TPS would know there had been at least more than one conspirator.
6) It so important in this context to learn, after the NW was last photographed. where did he go?

I think #4 is very likely from the pace at which he was walking. And, if he was staying somewhere close by walking might have been less hassle than driving.

 

[juli99]

I've been listening to KD's book. A couple things that stood out to me..

-BS said in his autobiography that in his mind, the most important things are intellect, drive, and giving money to charity. Yet, his will gave nothing to charity.
-HS sister's husband now drives an Uber and they have had financial struggles.

 

[ldlager]

ETA Apologies for messy post, having trouble with mouse.
Just noting some things... speculation, imo, fwiw.
2015
GUEST VOICE: Why I'll be at the JDL protest outside Barry Sherman's house
''In the private sector, we are blessed with Canadian philanthropists such as Barry Sherman
By throwing support behind Trudeau and inviting others to follow him, Sherman is, in effect, seeking to unseat Harper and promote a deal that another Jewish leader, Netanyahu, contends puts Israel’s very existence at risk.''
''Netanyahu and Sherman are pulling their Jewish supporters in opposite directions. Which leader should Canadian Jews follow?
At this time, Netanyahu is sparing no effort to peacefully persuade the world to help prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran from developing a nuclear arsenal, which he believes poses not just a military threat, but an existential threat to the State of Israel , Jewish, and other, inhabitants.'',
''An invited guest wrote to the Shermans, rejecting their invitation and urging them to reconsider.''

2020
Iranian firm dismisses reports Canada-licensed diabetes drug could be risky
According to Press TV, the Rasta Imen Daroo, a company representing Canada’s Apotex Corp in Iranits said in a Sunday statement that metformin tablets planned to be supplied by company to the Iranian market are free carcinogen N-nitrosodimethylamine (NDMA).
The statement came after the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommended that Apotex and one of its firms recall their metformin tablets because they have high levels of NDMA.''

US says nuclear talks with Iran at ‘decisive moment’
Jan 2022

'' ALIREZA SHAHVAROGHI
FARAHANI
Conspiracy to Kidnap; Conspiracy to Violate the International Emergency Economic


Powers Act; Conspiracy to Commit Bank and Wire Fraud; Conspiracy to Commit Money
Laundering longer Iran fails to comply with the 2015 Vienna accord — intended to rein in Tehran’s nuclear program — the closer it would get to being able to build an atomic weapon.''
ALIREZA SHAHVAROGHI FARAHANI — FBI

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Curious about this man (how does he walk..) after reading about him on another thread regarding a recently abducted in Ontario- wife of an Iranian (suspiciously deceased) doctor.

Wow Dotr this guy is built like the NW, at least what we can see. Good find!

 

[ldlager]

I've been listening to KD's book. A couple things that stood out to me..

-BS said in his autobiography that in his mind, the most important things are intellect, drive, and giving money to charity. Yet, his will gave nothing to charity.
-HS sister's husband now drives an Uber and they have had financial struggles.

HS sister and her husband are quite wealthy and own many rental properties in the GTA. Thanks to BS and HS.

 

[dotr]

Maybe the Shermans were not just watched for some time before the murders, but maybe listened to as well, imo, speculation.rbbm.
2015
Can police and hackers really track you with your phone? | Digital Trends
''Being tracked by a rogue FBI agent, hostile foreign government, or extremely well-equipped criminal gang is a different matter. If your concerns run this crazy deep, there are only a couple of foolproof options to safeguard your privacy.

“To avoid being tracked it’s best to put your phone in a PrivacyCase, or remove the battery,” says Miliefsky. A PrivacyCase wraps your phone in shielding that blocks signals from going in or out, kind of like going into a basement.

If you’re wondering why turning the phone off might not be enough, it’s because of malware, like PowerOffHijack. You won’t find it in the Play Store, and it requires your device to be rooted in order to work, but AVG reported more than 10,000 installations, mostly in China. It plays your usual shutdown animation and turns the screen blank, but actually keeps the device on, so that it can monitor you.''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I did a little map of the day that HS supposedly updated her will. BS lawyer was noted as Davies Ward Phillips and Vineberg LLP which is located at 155 Wellington St West way down near the lake. Next is her meetup with the "friend" at St. Clair and Yonge. Next is the Loblaws to get croissants, presumably the one on St. Clair Ave. Finally, the trip back to 50 Old Colony.

My questions based on the map are:
1. Was she traveling alone that day without BS? If so, why? If the will was in his name why wasn't he there?
2. Was HS someone who was comfortable driving downtown by herself? Did she ever take public transit? Was she driving that day?
2. Why meet at St. Clair and Yonge? Did she actually go to a different lawyer that was closer to that location?

More questions than answers I guess. All speculation IMO and based on the unsubstantiated report from her friend.

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From what I recall, the person was described as a ‘service provider’ and Honey was picking them up so they didn’t have to take the subway to the Sherman home to work. (My guess is that it was her personal assistant.)

We had discussed this when KD did an article about it and someone thought the will update was due to the homes in Forest Hill: one in her name, the other in her name and Mary’s. Or possibly she added the name of her new grandchild as a beneficiary to something specific.

You made me think of something by asking why BS wasn’t with her. If it was an update to a joint will they could sign it at different times, they just need witnesses to their signatures. Maybe she signed it, but BS hadn’t yet, so it made it invalid?

That would make the last updated will signed in spring of 2017 the valid will.

ETA: This would make that November meeting about succession plans make sense and why JS may have not wanted to attend. Jack Kay, Barry and JS were to meet, and JS wanted Adam to be present. Barry said no and the meeting never took place. Barry was partly upset that Jonathon wasn’t more involved with Apotex.

2nd Edit: Maybe Barry was going to make a change in the will and with the trustee lineup again. That might explain why Jonathon wanted Adam to be present, and Barry did not.

 

[WINDSOR]

Most of us accept that these murders were carefully planned and orchestrated. Little or nothing was left the chance or guesswork.
So I am curious about the NW's path that evening.

The TPS have video of the NW going to and from the Sherman home. We know they do not have video of the NW getting dropped off or getting picked up.

The Sherman house was located much closer to Bayview than Leslie at about 400 metres. The distance to the corner Leslie and Stubbs, the apparent path the NW is following, is 2000 metres. That is five times a greater distance.

Since a criminal does not want to be in the risk area any longer than necessary, why do you think the NW chose the path and destination he did?

You can be sure it was not a random decision.
It had to be a powerful reason(s), because the NW knew the longer he walked the more cameras he would encounter.
What factors do you think would mandate the choosing the longer route? That answer could lead to solving this case.

 

[juli99]

From what I recall, the person was described as a ‘service provider’ and Honey was picking them up so they didn’t have to take the subway to the Sherman home to work. (My guess is that it was her personal assistant.)

We had discussed this when KD did an article about it and someone thought the will update was due to the homes in Forest Hill: one in her name, the other in her name and Mary’s. Or possibly she added the name of her new grandchild as a beneficiary to something specific.

You made me think of something by asking why BS wasn’t with her. If it was an update to a joint will they could sign it at different times, they just need witnesses to their signatures. Maybe she signed it, but BS hadn’t yet, so it made it invalid?

That would make the last updated will signed in spring of 2017 the valid will.

ETA: This would make that November meeting about succession plans make sense and why JS may have not wanted to attend. Jack Kay, Barry and JS were to meet, and JS wanted Adam to be present. Barry said no and the meeting never took place. Barry was partly upset that Jonathon wasn’t more involved with Apotex.

2nd Edit: Maybe Barry was going to make a change in the will and with the trustee lineup again. That might explain why Jonathon wanted Adam to be present, and Barry did not.

I was just coming to say that in KD's book, he quotes Barry as saying that women were too emotional to be estate trustees. Is that why the daughters were removed as trustees? Would he have thought Honey was not emotionally stable enough to make decisions about a will on her own?

 

[juli99]

Most of us accept that these murders were carefully planned and orchestrated. Little or nothing was left the chance or guesswork.
So I am curious about the NW's path that evening.

The TPS have video of the NW going to and from the Sherman home. We know they do not have video of the NW getting dropped off or getting picked up.

The Sherman house was located much closer to Bayview than Leslie at about 400 metres. The distance to the corner Leslie and Stubbs, the apparent path the NW is following, is 2000 metres. That is five times a greater distance.

Since a criminal does not want to be in the risk area any longer than necessary, why do you think the NW chose the path and destination he did?

You can be sure it was not a random decision.
It had to be a powerful reason(s), because the NW knew the longer he walked the more cameras he would encounter.
What factors do you think would mandate the choosing the longer route? That answer could lead to solving this case.

I agree 100%. Something has always bothered me about him going that direction, but couldn't put my finger on it. If he was being dropped off/picked up, going the other way to a closer major road would have made more sense to me.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Most of us accept that these murders were carefully planned and orchestrated. Little or nothing was left the chance or guesswork.
So I am curious about the NW's path that evening.

The TPS have video of the NW going to and from the Sherman home. We know they do not have video of the NW getting dropped off or getting picked up.

The Sherman house was located much closer to Bayview than Leslie at about 400 metres. The distance to the corner Leslie and Stubbs, the apparent path the NW is following, is 2000 metres. That is five times a greater distance.

Since a criminal does not want to be in the risk area any longer than necessary, why do you think the NW chose the path and destination he did?

You can be sure it was not a random decision.
It had to be a powerful reason(s), because the NW knew the longer he walked the more cameras he would encounter.
What factors do you think would mandate the choosing the longer route? That answer could lead to solving this case.

I don’t have any answers, just questions.

He knew he’d be caught on someone’s cctv cameras. Maybe a deliberate misdirect if he’s known to the family?

I mentioned before that he likely walked past the Shermans’ former home on Beaverhall. It seems incredibly coincidental that so many things on their last day connect to two homes they built and one they were planning on building.

 

[Satchie]

Most of us accept that these murders were carefully planned and orchestrated. Little or nothing was left the chance or guesswork.
So I am curious about the NW's path that evening.

The TPS have video of the NW going to and from the Sherman home. We know they do not have video of the NW getting dropped off or getting picked up.

The Sherman house was located much closer to Bayview than Leslie at about 400 metres. The distance to the corner Leslie and Stubbs, the apparent path the NW is following, is 2000 metres. That is five times a greater distance.

Since a criminal does not want to be in the risk area any longer than necessary, why do you think the NW chose the path and destination he did?

You can be sure it was not a random decision.
It had to be a powerful reason(s), because the NW knew the longer he walked the more cameras he would encounter.
What factors do you think would mandate the choosing the longer route? That answer could lead to solving this case.

To start with, you say the route he was walking was the opposite of what you would expect.
He likely thought so too. So, it's no surprise to me he took the opposite route to what he believed police would expect.

IMO, he had a 'clever plan' to be untraceable, and it worked. IMO, this person knew the consesquences of getting caught, and would walk all night to avoid it.

I also think, walking past home video cameras in dark neighbourhoods is much less risky than walking along brightly lit major thoroughfares, and multiple times over less risky than getting into a car anywhere close to the house. There's hundreds of thousands of faceless guys in bulky coats in TO, but far fewer of any particular make/model of car.

JMO