CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #18

[Bobbi Pearl]

Their bedroom was large enough to accommodate two kingsized beds.. or two doubles.. or two queens.. or whatever (I mean together), or even a custom oversized bed. All the kids have said that although there was a lot of arguing and whatever going on in their younger years, the couple have been getting along in more recent years.. holding hands when they walk, even? So yes, M/S has been ruled out, but not for the first six weeks.. when LE announced it was a double homicide. And all of the kids were unified in saying no way was it M/S (how could they NOT be unified in that, since, if one said, nope, it could've very well been M/S, it would stick out as a potential red flag??).. but yet, 4 years later, we hear that during initial police statement(s) (which were previously reported as having taken place within the first days after the murders), made the statement that yeah but, they slept in separate bedrooms for the past 10 years, and they didn't get along, and their private togetherness was much different from what they portrayed publicly.. it almost sounds like... someone else, when they proclaimed that Barry HATED Honey. So when I think about that, I almost get a sense of..... while saying one thing in unison with the family, little messages to the contrary, but not blunt messages, were being sent out to police at the time when they were in the process of making a determination. And perhaps that served some kind of a purpose? imo. When one thinks about it, what a great 'reverse psychology' type of thing.. ie, can't look at me, because I'm proclaiming it COULDN'T be M/S, but here are some juicy tidbits that might indicate something else, perhaps possibly that it COULD have been(???), because really, they didn't get along and hadn't slept together in 10 years, something only those the very closest to them might know.

maybe but if that was the case why not just think up a pill and kill her, why commit suicide after? if he really hated her he would not have any guilt?

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

dup

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

It's only relevant if it's a lie. To the extent that it reflects the character of the person who said it. I didn't think we were discussing it in the context of an actual M/S. But I agree, time to move on.

We already know that before the deaths JS was attempting to undermine BS' mentality/stability and capabilities handling money with the family and businesses BS headed. We also have read that BS suffered from insomnia, maybe BS did go to the guest room on occasion and JS' comment made it seem like a nightly occurrence. I am not ready to call it a lie, it could be an extension of the truth.

 

[ollie2]

before the deaths JS was attempting to undermine BS' mentality/stability and capabilities handling money with the family and businesses BS headed.

According to emails b/n family members as made public, instigated I believe was JS. Interesting that JS was attempting to undermine BS's ability in handling money with family and businesses, but not when it came to JS asking for and receiving money from BS.
Edit to add- this may have come about more so as a result of BS's backing FDA.

 

[ollie2]

maybe but if that was the case why not just think up a pill and kill her, why commit suicide after? if he really hated her he would not have any guilt?

Can we not just move on from the M/S theory..........?

 

[juli99]

For those on the NW theory, do you believe that he had time to kill HS before BS got home? I'm thinking the timeline is kind of tight.

 

[Window21]

For those on the NW theory, do you believe that he had time to kill HS before BS got home? I'm thinking the timeline is kind of tight.

Initially I thought that, but now I'm thinking the NW may have had HS tied up but still alive when BS arrived home. He may have tortured her a bit, (hitting etc) to get BS talking, or just to torture BS! Making him watch such horror would be so traumatic.

If the person behind these killing hated BS that much, their sinister mind would love to torment BS a bit before his death. They would want BS to suffer as much as possible before death.
Remember the way they died. Strangling someone takes time and a lot of strength.

 

[ldlager]

Initially I thought that, but now I'm thinking the NW may have had HS tied up but still alive when BS arrived home. He may have tortured her a bit, (hitting etc) to get BS talking, or just to torture BS! Making him watch such horror would be so traumatic.

If the person behind these killing hated BS that much, their sinister mind would love to torment BS a bit before his death. They would want BS to suffer as much as possible before death.
Remember the way they died. Strangling someone takes time and a lot of strength.

Agreed except I would say that strangling takes very little time in fact. Strangulation Can Leave Long-Lasting Injuries

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Agreed except I would say that strangling takes very little time in fact. Strangulation Can Leave Long-Lasting Injuries

And if KD is right, something similar to a zip tie was used to kill them and that would involve less strength and effort, imo.

 

[WINDSOR]

For those on the NW theory, do you believe that he had time to kill HS before BS got home? I'm thinking the timeline is kind of tight.

He could have restrained HS, and waited for BS. The assailant had no need to rush.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

He could have restrained HS, and waited for BS. The assailant had no need to rush.

I agree. And despite police telling us they have the NW on cctv going to and from the Sherman home they didn’t adjust the timeframe of the murders. It still stands between 9-12. It makes me think he spent those hours in the home.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

And if KD is right, something similar to a zip tie was used to kill them and that would involve less strength and effort, imo.

Or even adding a plastic bag over the head with the tie around the neck, would speed up the death.

Suffocate vs Strangle - What's the difference?

Do we think that LE was looking for the ties in the road drains the first week after they were found?

 

[ollie2]

Do we think that LE was looking for the ties in the road drains the first week after they were found?

"LE looking for ties" I would think not likely since they deemed the Shermans deaths to be M/S the first week after they were found.
However, I do think had they found ties in the road drains, they would not have ignored them. (?)

 

[juli99]

I agree. And despite police telling us they have the NW on cctv going to and from the Sherman home they didn’t adjust the timeframe of the murders. It still stands between 9-12. It makes me think he spent those hours in the home.

I think that timeframe was based on the NW video, before they told us about the video.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Or even adding a plastic bag over the head with the tie around the neck, would speed up the death.

Suffocate vs Strangle - What's the difference?

Do we think that LE was looking for the ties in the road drains the first week after they were found?

KD wrote that was a possibility (bbm):

“The Shermans were wearing winter coats that were pushed back away from the shoulders and down, which would have the effect of immobilizing the arms. No rope or plastic strap was found at the scene and sources have speculated to the Star that when Toronto police examined sewer pipes around the house they were looking for whatever was used as ties. Police also searched the roof of the house and used metal detectors on the property.”
Barry and Honey Sherman were murdered, private investigators claim | The Star

 

[juli99]

And if KD is right, something similar to a zip tie was used to kill them and that would involve less strength and effort, imo.

I have to wonder, if it is a zip tie, how difficult it would be to remove after the fact and what would be used to do that. Scissors?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I have to wonder, if it is a zip tie, how difficult it would be to remove after the fact and what would be used to do that. Scissors?

Some zip ties, especially bigger ones, are reusable and can be released.

 

[juli99]

Some zip ties, especially bigger ones, are reusable and can be released.

I didn't know that, had never heard of those. I wonder where they were purchased.

 

[dotr]

I didn't know that, had never heard of those. I wonder where they were purchased.

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''Zip ties are great for organizing cables and the like, but most people don't know that you can reuse them over and over again. You can, and here's how.
We've shown you one method for creating your own reusable zip ties, but if you need to undo a traditionally locked zip tie, reader Jack Weekes shows us that it's actually really easy. Just stick your fingernail in the locking mechanism (or a pin, if your fingernail won't fit), press down, and slide it out.''

 

[dotr]

A reference to the possibility of some kind of vehicle.
Dec. 2021
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