CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #18

[Bobbi Pearl]

The woman told the news reporter that she worked at Apotex and was devastated to have heard the news that day...and then raised the crime tape and proceeded walking to the Sherman's door. The station was CTV News.

thank you and just, Wow!

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

The woman told the news reporter that she worked at Apotex and was devastated to have heard the news that day...and then raised the crime tape and proceeded walking to the Sherman's door. The station was CTV News.

thank you and just, Wow!

I agree. The wealthy people that I know of that have downsized give the reason that their mobility isn't what it used to be. They don't want to walk a long ways to get to the kitchen (for example) many don't want a pool anymore because they don't find any use for a pool now that they are older and no longer use a pool/sauna etc. They don't have the energy or mobility to walk around the massive grounds that many of them have. They want things to be easier, less things to worry about. They still have the house keepers and chefs, but long for a smaller home and property, a lot less stress.

Through my boss and his children's friendships with very wealthy children in the "Bridle Path" area I have learned that many of these mansions close off sections, these are used for social events only and when not in use are closed off with low heat and no cleaning until opened again. One home, in particular, is over 12,000 sq ft and they close off just shy of 10,000 of it for close to 6 months of the year. IMO, Not many wealthy people like to waste money, and they have grand homes for socializing with some show and tell, not for living in all of the sq footage.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

But weren't they also asked by LE if they wondered about infidelity? How would builders know something like that? Squabbling and arguing in front of the architects and/or builders (if they did engage in that behavior) is not an indicator of infidelity yet they answered that they didn't see any evidence of that.

You learn a lot about people when you design a home with them. Many retirement-aged people looking at new build homes are heard saying that the spare bedroom will be the spouse's bedroom, 50% of the time due to snoring, more just are too old to divorce and continue to live in the same home. The wives are the worst for sharing those specifics with little under the breathe statments.

 

[juli99]

I find it very interesting that the family seems to be letting any debts go uncollected from KW and family, according to KD. Even after years and years of legal battles and I'm sure a huge amount of Sherman money spent on legal fees to defend themselves.. and for the purpose of... KW and family wanted a large sum of money....... but meanwhile.... it seems that H's best friend/sister/business partner/aunt-to-the-adult-children/mother-of-their-cousins, seemed to be entirely blacklisted, even to the point of kicking her out of her storage locker which B had reportedly allowed her to use at no charge.... and purportedly, because the sister told the family she was promised to receive $300K(oops) $300M, much less that KW's fam was asking for. And for JS to seemingly take such pleasure in removing her, as to actually show up on site that day... does this suggest perhaps a bit of a vengeful type of personality? imo.

Yes, and the idea that the family has disowned Mary as a united front seems a little suspect to me. How can they be united when Alex at one point said she thought JS was involved? Something seems fishy to me.

 

[deugirtni]

You learn a lot about people when you design a home with them. Many retirement-aged people looking at new build homes are heard saying that the spare bedroom will be the spouse's bedroom, 50% of the time due to snoring, more just are too old to divorce and continue to live in the same home. The wives are the worst for sharing those specifics with little under the breathe statments.

This is just opinion too, but... when I was little, I remember always being confused about peoples' houses visited, when the parents/owners slept in different bedrooms.. and so often, this would be the case, at least in my limited little world. In the meantime, I've learned that people do it for snoring, or one person being sleepless and keeping the other one awake, ... moving beds together for other arrangements, etc. We have never heard this about the Shermans however, and one might assume we would've heard it from somewhere by now, considering there were so many personal assistants/service workers?

 

[deugirtni]

And how would KW have been able to know ahead of time, that he would benefit if both H&B were dead? Did he know that $300K court order would NOT be pursued for collection by the adult children? So for me, that leaves kids, spouses... and I think AP benefitted no matter what. imo.

Sorry to reply to myself, but..... we're asking who would've benefitted financially from B&H's deaths, and suggesting the kids and their respective spouses.. however, that would only be if the couple remained together (unlike two out of four of the offspring, while one was apparently single to begin with). I believe that inheritances are not subject to family law rules regarding splitting of assets (unless the money is spent on something such as, say, the marital home, etc.). imo.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

dup

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Just noting:

“In answer to questions about his parents’ home life, Jonathon said they had not slept in the same room for 10 years; but he had no concerns about infidelity in their marriage and did not think his parents would ever get divorced.

“According to Jonathon, his parents had a private relationship and a public relationship. In public they were the world’s greatest power couple, however, in private they did not get along. When the children were younger, there was a lot of shouting and yelling in the house. Over the past five years their relationship got a lot better, possibly because the children had grown up,” the detective notes in his summary of Jonathon’s witness statement.”
Barry Sherman owed $1 billion and was not going to pay, police documents reveal | The Star

Like Deugirtni and others have said, I don’t think it’s unusual that they’d have separate bedrooms at their ages.

It may have been relevant to the killer in planning the murders, imo.

 

[deugirtni]

Just noting:

“In answer to questions about his parents’ home life, Jonathon said they had not slept in the same room for 10 years; but he had no concerns about infidelity in their marriage and did not think his parents would ever get divorced.

“According to Jonathon, his parents had a private relationship and a public relationship. In public they were the world’s greatest power couple, however, in private they did not get along. When the children were younger, there was a lot of shouting and yelling in the house. Over the past five years their relationship got a lot better, possibly because the children had grown up,” the detective notes in his summary of Jonathon’s witness statement.”
Barry Sherman owed $1 billion and was not going to pay, police documents reveal | The Star

Like Deugirtni and others have said, I don’t think it’s unusual that they’d have separate bedrooms at their ages.

It may have been relevant to the killer in planning the murders, imo.

Interesting. I had forgotten about that. And yet he "dismissed any suggestion that his parents’ deaths were a murder-suicide". I wonder how often JS was around the old homestead over the past 10 years to have intimate knowledge of their sleeping arrangements and how well they got along, etc.? I'm surprised then, that we haven't heard about that (sleeping arrangements) from any other sources? ie Alex? Or personal trainer(s), or housekeeper, or personal assistant?

 

[deugirtni]

Interesting. I had forgotten about that. And yet he "dismissed any suggestion that his parents’ deaths were a murder-suicide". I wonder how often JS was around the old homestead over the past 10 years to have intimate knowledge of their sleeping arrangements and how well they got along, etc.? I'm surprised then, that we haven't heard about that (sleeping arrangements) from any other sources? ie Alex? Or personal trainer(s), or housekeeper, or personal assistant?

Further to this subject... also interesting that the cleaning lady made no mention of 'two beds' being made or unmade, or ruffled, or waiting for her to change and wash the bedding, etc. Wouldn't we know this by now? jmo.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Further to this subject... also interesting that the cleaning lady made no mention of 'two beds' being made or unmade, or ruffled, or waiting for her to change and wash the bedding, etc. Wouldn't we know this by now? jmo.

That’s true. The housekeeper said she noticed that the bed wasn’t made the way ‘Honey’ would make the bed and ‘Honey’s’ sink was dry, but no mention of Barry’s room. (If in fact JS is right.)

*Unless* his room was in the basement. That’s the one area she said she hadn’t gone to that day.

 

[ollie2]

Further to this subject... also interesting that the cleaning lady made no mention of 'two beds' being made or unmade, or ruffled, or waiting for her to change and wash the bedding, etc. Wouldn't we know this by now? jmo.

Though not unusual for older married couples to have separate bedrooms/bathrooms, it is interesting that 2 beds had not been mentioned by anyone to date-should that have been the case.

 

[branmuffin]

There are a lot of reasons spouses may sleep in separate bedrooms. You listed probably the most common one, snoring. But there are other circumstances too. Insomnia, nightmares, one partner needing to read to fall asleep while the other requires total darkness, restless leg syndrome, different sleep requirements for mattresses: firm, medium or soft, one a light sleeper, getting up numerous times to pee! Rather than confiding in the builder about infidelities, I would think most wives would list one of the above reasons for separate bedrooms.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Yes, and the idea that the family has disowned Mary as a united front seems a little suspect to me. How can they be united when Alex at one point said she thought JS was involved? Something seems fishy to me.

Maybe the court decree and the payment due are all handled by lawyers and the kids can keep an extended distance from this situation. Lack of reports on payouts

Just because you lose a case does not mean that you end up paying it out. If you do not have the money then what? Anyone can declare bankruptcy, this should be covered under that. If you have it and do not pay, then what recourse does BS have? this is not a criminal conviction, this was a civil case, I assume they can send collection calls, I doubt they would have any right to freeze a bank account or take any money, the properties were already "collected" but seriously what else can you do, you cannot get blood from a stone.

We do not know if the Winter family had the money to cover the court costs of both sides? that is a lot of money. Even if you do have 600+K around it is hard to let it go and spend it, look at many other people who win cases that require a monetary payout, they never see a penny, it stays tied up in courts and red tape for years, in some cases decades. really poor example but look at OJS, he owes millions to the Goldburgs (SP?) and has paid little to none, and he has been earning $$.

IMO whoever is responsible for the murders or planning of murders knew this case/situation would be highly suspect once the bodies were found and used KW and his emotional connection to BS in a very hurtful way. IMO the scene was staged to be confusing and very misleading.

 

[branmuffin]

Though not unusual for older married couples to have separate bedrooms/bathrooms, it is interesting that 2 beds had not been mentioned by anyone to date-should that have been the case.

Judging from the images of the bedroom I think they slept in the same bed because one side had some device between the mattress and box spring to raise the upper body which is usually to deal with acid reflux.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

There are a lot of reasons spouses may sleep in separate bedrooms. You listed probably the most common one, snoring. But there are other circumstances too. Insomnia, nightmares, one partner needing to read to fall asleep while the other requires total darkness, restless leg syndrome, different sleep requirements for mattresses: firm, medium or soft, one a light sleeper, getting up numerous times to pee! Rather than confiding in the builder about infidelities, I would think most wives would list one of the above reasons for separate bedrooms.

You would hope but my sister-in-law sells pre-construction homes and her office is in the model homes and daily her mouth falls open with what these people, mostly women whisper to her, it is appalling to me.

I agree there are probably hundreds of reasons, but she shares when the majority of couples are touring and they talk about oh that is my closet and bathroom etc, what women say, and bathrooms, 75% of the women complain about how men cannot hit a toilet and how they need their own sink too...... let's just say it is not said in a positive manner.

All I am attempting to intimate is that while talking about a home you are building you discuss the use of every room, which equals every sq foot, lot's of questions to determine its full use, does it need water, electricity, access to outside, what do you want to use the room for. As that discussion goes on normally the current homes' "workability" or shortcomings are brought up and worked out to be better in the new design. So you do get to know the people you are building and designing for.
You must if you are building such an intimate building.

 

[ollie2]

Judging from the images of the bedroom I think they slept in the same bed because one side had some device between the mattress and box spring to raise the upper body which is usually to deal with acid reflux.

Maybe. Maybe, they did not share a bed in the last several years. I don't think conclusions can be drawn based on a picture of their bedroom because of two separate mattresses (one that raises and one that doesn't appear to raise.)

 

[ollie2]

You would hope but my sister-in-law sells pre-construction homes and her office is in the model homes and daily her mouth falls open with what these people, mostly women whisper to her, it is appalling to me.

I agree there are probably hundreds of reasons, but she shares when the majority of couples are touring and they talk about oh that is my closet and bathroom etc, what women say, and bathrooms, 75% of the women complain about how men cannot hit a toilet and how they need their own sink too...... let's just say it is not said in a positive manner.

All I am attempting to intimate is that while talking about a home you are building you discuss the use of every room, which equals every sq foot, lot's of questions to determine its full use, does it need water, electricity, access to outside, what do you want to use the room for. As that discussion goes on normally the current homes' "workability" or shortcomings are brought up and worked out to be better in the new design. So you do get to know the people you are building and designing for.
You must if you are building such an intimate building.

I agree that those conversations happen Bobbie, but not everyone would necessarily vocalize a why.

 

[ollie2]

Sorry-double.

 

[ollie2]

This is just opinion too, but... when I was little, I remember always being confused about peoples' houses visited, when the parents/owners slept in different bedrooms.. and so often, this would be the case, at least in my limited little world. In the meantime, I've learned that people do it for snoring, or one person being sleepless and keeping the other one awake, ... moving beds together for other arrangements, etc. We have never heard this about the Shermans however, and one might assume we would've heard it from somewhere by now, considering there were so many personal assistants/service workers?