CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[dotr]

Barry and Honey Sherman may have been under ‘surveillance’ a month before their murders, homicide detectives believe

Documents show police sought cellphone data for dozens of ‘persons of interest,’ and confirm Barry Sherman had been ‘restrained at the wrist.’

www.thestar.com

2021 rbbm.
''One year into the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation, a bombshell: Toronto Police believed it was possible the murderer or murderers were stalking the billionaire couple a month or more before they were killed, search warrant documents reveal.''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I wish he would have elaborated. That comment jumped out to me as well. I feel like we are due for a q and a with Kevin Donovan again and that question needs to be asked.

I did submit that during one q&a, but the question wasn’t addressed.

I wish KD would also expand on this: Jonathon told KD that he didn’t see Barry asking him to repay that 50-60 million as a ‘threat’. It made me feel the opposite was true, he felt threatened.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

I did submit that during one q&a, but the question wasn’t addressed.

I wish KD would also expand on this: Jonathon told KD that he didn’t see Barry asking him to repay that 50-60 million as a ‘threat’. It made me feel the opposite was true, he felt threatened.

If KD thinks the statuses are mimicked, he must have a reason why. So I ask, what do we know about them again. Gifted to them from an old old friend years prior. What stories are affiliated with them, we heard the kids found them off putting, they are made from junk recycled objects I believe.

 

[fadedglitter]

The statues are creepy. I get that they are eye-catching when scrolling through the realtor listings. But nobody other than KD has ever suggested that they are significant. The bodies aren’t really posed like the statues. One statue has one ankle resting on the opposite knee, and the other looks like its legs are either crossed at the knee or one leg is kicked out.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Thanks!

Rereading this post it popped out to me that the alarm set the Tuesday night the night before the murders was 11pm. Does this indicate HS and BS habit was when no one home, set away alarms, first person home disarmed the alarm and the rearming was done on the way to bed. So if HS arrived home she could have disarmed/turned off the alarm and it remained off. Perp could enter without setting off the alarm. No one was alive to set it before going to bed Wed night, never armed again on Thursday or Friday. That could help with time of death predictions.

That is a puzzling piece, if HS did make a run for the bathroom to call 911, why not run to the alarm pad and hit the panic button? It would be closer?

The running to the bathroom to call 911 has always stumped me, why run into the bathroom? why not run out the front door that is right beside the bathroom?

 

[fadedglitter]

Rereading this post it popped out to me that the alarm set the Tuesday night the night before the murders was 11pm. Does this indicate HS and BS habit was when no one home, set away alarms, first person home disarmed the alarm and the rearming was done on the way to bed. So if HS arrived home she could have disarmed/turned off the alarm and it remained off. Perp could enter without setting off the alarm. No one was alive to set it before going to bed Wed night, never armed again on Thursday or Friday. That could help with time of death predictions.

That is a puzzling piece, if HS did make a run for the bathroom to call 911, why not run to the alarm pad and hit the panic button? It would be closer?

The running to the bathroom to call 911 has always stumped me, why run into the bathroom? why not run out the front door that is right beside the bathroom?

It is like you are reading my mind. I was staring at the floor plans today, thinking that the powder room is not off the kitchen as I had assumed, but rather near the door. It now seems implausible to me that she would run there for safety. It would have been easier to run out the door and scream for help.

It is in an odd location given that Honey’s stuff was placed on the table and she had changed into her indoor shoes. If not for those details I would suspect that she was ambushed while coming in the door, dropped her phone and it skidded into the powder room.

Edited: there are two powder rooms on this floor, both near doors so the observation holds regardless, but KD’s reporting indicates that it is the powder room near the front door, not the side entrance:

One curiosity from the photo is Honey’s cellphone. The police photo shows it on the kitchen table. But it was actually on a bathroom floor when the housekeeper arrived Friday morning and began to clean the house. The housekeeper’s instruction for the day was to help Honey make potato latkes for a Hannukah event at their daughter’s home in Forest Hill on the Friday evening. The housekeeper was also to tidy the house in advance of more real estate showings. As she moved through the main floor before the bodies were discovered, the housekeeper discovered Honey’s phone face down on the floor beside the toilet in a bathroom at the front of the house that Honey never used. The housekeeper picked it up and put it on the vanity and then someone (the Star does not know who) moved it to the table, where it would later be photographed by the police. Investigators have speculated that it dropped or fell when she was trying to escape attackers.

 

[Charlot123]

The statues are creepy. I get that they are eye-catching when scrolling through the realtor listings. But nobody other than KD has ever suggested that they are significant. The bodies aren’t really posed like the statues. One statue has one ankle resting on the opposite knee, and the other looks like its legs are either crossed at the knee or one leg is kicked out.

They do look creepy on the photos, but I haven’t seen them IRL. Anyhow, tastes differ.

My inner feeling is that looking at the statues gave someone the idea about positioning of the bodies. It was either meant as a mockery by a person who found the Shermans’ taste gaudy or kitschy, or it served an entirely different purpose.

If the killer was someone close to the Shermans, then they should have known who’d be the first to find the bodies.

If the entrance to the swimming pool was far from the bodies, it is entirely possible that the bodies were meant to look like another pair of statues, especially if the person to see them first was near-sighted.

Or maybe (we know a lot about the housekeepers’ habits), the swimming pool was not the place to be thoroughly cleaned, or even cleaned that regularly.

It is still not known precisely when/how the Shermans were killed. The way the bodies were placed, served one purpose, to delay finding them. MOO.

Was the housekeeper near-sighted?

 

[ldlager]

Rereading this post it popped out to me that the alarm set the Tuesday night the night before the murders was 11pm. Does this indicate HS and BS habit was when no one home, set away alarms, first person home disarmed the alarm and the rearming was done on the way to bed. So if HS arrived home she could have disarmed/turned off the alarm and it remained off. Perp could enter without setting off the alarm. No one was alive to set it before going to bed Wed night, never armed again on Thursday or Friday. That could help with time of death predictions.

That is a puzzling piece, if HS did make a run for the bathroom to call 911, why not run to the alarm pad and hit the panic button? It would be closer?

The running to the bathroom to call 911 has always stumped me, why run into the bathroom? why not run out the front door that is right beside the bathroom?

Can someone refresh my memory. When the gardener etc. arrived on Friday morning was the alarm armed? If yes, that makes no sense unless the killer armed it on the way out?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Can someone refresh my memory. When the gardener etc. arrived on Friday morning was the alarm armed? If yes, that makes no sense unless the killer armed it on the way out?

The housekeeper and trainer entered first and found that the alarm had not been set. The housekeeper had worked there for three years and that was the first time she had seen that happen.

 

[fadedglitter]

If the killer was someone close to the Shermans, then they should have known who’d be the first to find the bodies.

If the entrance to the swimming pool was far from the bodies, it is entirely possible that the bodies were meant to look like another pair of statues, especially if the person to see them first was near-sighted.

A killer who knew the Shermans’ schedules would have known that Honey’s assistant worked at the house daily. This is the person who was most likely to find them if she went searching through the house for her employer on Thursday.

By coincidence, the assistant had the Thursday and Friday off, but KD’s latest podcasts revealed that this was a very last-minute decision made in person on the day of the murders.

I’ve speculated for a while that the family member most likely to find them was Brad: at some point Alex was going to get worried about not hearing from her parents and, busy with a newborn, would send her husband over to check on them.

 

[fadedglitter]

Duplicate post, sorry!

 

[WINDSOR]

Rereading this post it popped out to me that the alarm set the Tuesday night the night before the murders was 11pm. Does this indicate HS and BS habit was when no one home, set away alarms, first person home disarmed the alarm and the rearming was done on the way to bed. So if HS arrived home she could have disarmed/turned off the alarm and it remained off. Perp could enter without setting off the alarm. No one was alive to set it before going to bed Wed night, never armed again on Thursday or Friday. That could help with time of death predictions.

That is a puzzling piece, if HS did make a run for the bathroom to call 911, why not run to the alarm pad and hit the panic button? It would be closer?

The running to the bathroom to call 911 has always stumped me, why run into the bathroom? why not run out the front door that is right beside the bathroom?

Good points.
This just speculation on my part, but I feel many people when they are in risk run to a bathroom.
Why? It feels like a private place and safe place. It is a place where we can compose ourselves and try to understand what is going on. It has a locking door, and usually has a window. To me Honey running to the bathroom is a typical auto-response.

Run outside? You do not know who is out there.
To the alarm pad? There are bad people standing near there.
Under the stress of extreme danger, most of us do not act in a pure logical manner.
MOO

 

[ldlager]

The housekeeper and trainer entered first and found that the alarm had not been set. The housekeeper had worked there for three years and that was the first time she had seen that happen.

Thanks. That makes sense.

 

[branmuffin]

Doesn’t a blow to the right side of Honeys face make it more likely that her attacker was left handed?

Yes.

Not necessarily. It depends on the type of blow and how the victim was situated. I could be standing behind a seated victim who was struggling and I could punch them in the face and hit the left side of their face. Punches, slaps, back-handed slaps could result in injuries on the left or right side of someone's face depending on how they occurred.

 

[fadedglitter]

Not necessarily. It depends on the type of blow and how the victim was situated. I could be standing behind a seated victim who was struggling and I could punch them in the face and hit the left side of their face. Punches, slaps, back-handed slaps could result in injuries on the left or right side of someone's face depending on how they occurred.

Correct, it’s only *more likely*, not a sure thing. I don’t want anyone to misunderstand that reference. It’s also possible to attack a victim who is lying on the floor and have injuries on either side of their body.

 

[wibbleflea]

The housekeeper and trainer entered first and found that the alarm had not been set. The housekeeper had worked there for three years and that was the first time she had seen that happen.

Has anything further been revealed about statements from the maintenance man (‘whose identity we agreed to keep secret’) who says he was there before the housekeeper and cleaner that morning? He spoke on E1 of the CBC podcast called ‘The No Good, Terribly Kind, Wonderful Lives and Tragic Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman’. Transcript here:
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnew...y-and-honey-sherman-ep-1-transcript-1.6793318

His segment of the show finishes with these words: ‘hours later, a real estate agent showing the newly listed house to potential buyers would come across a grisly scene.’

 

[fadedglitter]

Has anything further been revealed about statements from the maintenance man (‘whose identity we agreed to keep secret’) who says he was there before the housekeeper and cleaner that morning? He spoke on E1 of the CBC podcast called ‘The No Good, Terribly Kind, Wonderful Lives and Tragic Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman’. Transcript here:
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnew...y-and-honey-sherman-ep-1-transcript-1.6793318

His segment of the show finishes with these words: ‘hours later, a real estate agent showing the newly listed house to potential buyers would come across a grisly scene.’

His name is Allan Caruk. He gave a statement to police on January 2, 2018. Part of his statement summary is still under seal. You can read the unsealed portions in the ITO dated April 16, 2018.

He arrived at 8:30 at the same time as the housekeeper and trainer, and left at 9:20. He thought it was odd that the trainer was already gone because Honey always exercised for more than Ann hour. He had noticed old frozen footprints on the heated driveway. He had walked through the kitchen, down the main stairs, to the basement and into the furnace room.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

His name is Allan Caruk. He gave a statement to police on January 2, 2018. Part of his statement summary is still under seal. You can read the unsealed portions in the ITO dated April 16, 2018.

He arrived at 8:30 at the same time as the housekeeper and trainer, and left at 9:20. He thought it was odd that the trainer was already gone because Honey always exercised for more than Ann hour. He had noticed old frozen footprints on the heated driveway. He had walked through the kitchen, down the main stairs, to the basement and into the furnace room.

For him to think it is odd that the trainer left before him, my question is how often did this specific maintenance man visit this home to know the Sherman habits so expectantly? Albeit this is an enormous home with multiple furnaces but how many maintenance visits in a year, 3, 6? Less more? Did he visit every Friday when they trained?

He seems to be very observant, his other statements would be interesting to know. I have always appreciated his report of frozen foot steps going down the driveway ramp to underground garage. Possibly the garage is an area with maintenance requirements?

 

[fadedglitter]

This is the entire summary:

(m) Allan CARUK, heating and air conditioning mechanic.
On January 17th, 2018 I reviewed a Statement Summary, for the statement of Allan CARUK, which he provided to DC WHALLEY and DC DE OLIVERIA on January 2nd, 2018. I have summarized the statement as follows:
i. Allan has been a Heating and Air conditioning Mechanic for the past 29 years.
ii. Allan receives service calls and on Friday December 15th he received a service
call through his tablet to attend 50 Old Colony Road, a house he has been taking
care of for approximately 20 years.
iii. Arrangements were made for a mechanic to attend 4 times a year. There are 4
HVAC systems in the house and he has not serviced the pool side of the house
for the last 10 years.
iv. On that day Allan arrived at 8:30 AM which was the same time the housekeeper
and the personal trainer arrived. When Allan left the house at 9:20 AM the
trainer was already gone and Allan thought that this was unusual because
Honey SHERMAN always does over an hour exercise program.
v. Allan walked through the kitchen, down the main stairs, to the basement and
went into the furnace room.(REDACTED)
vi. (REDACTED)
vii. (REDACTED)
viii. The house had a heated driveway an only half uncovered. Allan walked up the
middle of the driveway and there were footprints but they looked old and
frozen.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

His name is Allan Caruk. He gave a statement to police on January 2, 2018. Part of his statement summary is still under seal. You can read the unsealed portions in the ITO dated April 16, 2018.

He arrived at 8:30 at the same time as the housekeeper and trainer, and left at 9:20. He thought it was odd that the trainer was already gone because Honey always exercised for more than Ann hour. He had noticed old frozen footprints on the heated driveway. He had walked through the kitchen, down the main stairs, to the basement and into the furnace room.

To be honest I cannot figure out what door he came in? The statement that he “walked through the kitchen, down the main stairs” don’t describe enough for me. If he came in with the trainer and housekeeper he would be right at what I would consider the main stairs, no need to go to kitchen and then back to stairs?