CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

It’s either that, or the TPS did not complete a thorough enough or competent forensic investigation that could have yielded forensic evidence. Greenspan said as much when he held his press conference and claimed the PI’s had found a number forensic samples and clues that LE missed.
My curiosity was always how would the PI know the evidence was missed? LE had the residence for 6 weeks before the PI could look around. How could a PI determine if a print they see 6 weeks later was not from LE after all finger printing was collected by forensics?

As well my understanding is LE did not share any information with the Private team so again how do they know if it was missed.

Always felt that the lawyers making that statement was for publicity or laying ground for a good defence for someone if they face a trial letter?
 
Correct. The private team has no idea what the police collected and does not know what was missed. The main effect has been to discredit the investigation, which will ultimately benefit whoever is charged with the murders if that person chooses a jury trial.
 
I hope LE are learning how to use AI tools and can start re-investigating the information they have. Tools like Enhanced Crime Scene Re-creation. Creating a 3d view of the crime scene that investigators can play out different scenario’s with the facts and evidence they have.

Also financial information, follow the money is now much easier. And the best will be to take all details of the case and have AI review everything, it will provide a synopsis or point out anomalies that could be missed looking at each piece separately ( on premise evidence, email evidence, interview evidence ***all notes, on scene notes and summaries from data entry or warrant request. It would show inaccuracies and more.)

Maybe this could help solve the mystery?
 
I hope LE are learning how to use AI tools and can start re-investigating the information they have. Tools like Enhanced Crime Scene Re-creation. Creating a 3d view of the crime scene that investigators can play out different scenario’s with the facts and evidence they have.

Also financial information, follow the money is now much easier. And the best will be to take all details of the case and have AI review everything, it will provide a synopsis or point out anomalies that could be missed looking at each piece separately ( on premise evidence, email evidence, interview evidence ***all notes, on scene notes and summaries from data entry or warrant request. It would show inaccuracies and more.)

Maybe this could help solve the mystery?
Intriguing idea!
 
My curiosity was always how would the PI know the evidence was missed? LE had the residence for 6 weeks before the PI could look around. How could a PI determine if a print they see 6 weeks later was not from LE after all finger printing was collected by forensics?

As well my understanding is LE did not share any information with the Private team so again how do they know if it was missed.

Always felt that the lawyers making that statement was for publicity or laying ground for a good defence for someone if they face a trial letter?

That is also what I believe. And when they found prints, for example, they didn’t have a database to compare it to. They held what they found, trying to force the TPS to work together on the investigation.

I missed this detail first time around—I knew KD wrote that the Provincial pathologist showed crime scene photos to the Greenspan pathologist, but it turns out they gave a binder of crime-scene photos to the Greenspan team:

The private team didn’t have access to the same picture the police did. Its relationship with the force was chilly, with officers declining to provide even basic information. At the second autopsy, the pathologist who’d conducted the original postmortem had given Greenspan’s team a binder of crime-scene photos. When police officials learned of it, they demanded the images be returned. (Greenspan did so, though his group had already reviewed them.) It wasn’t merely that the Toronto cops resented being second-guessed; they saw no legal way to share evidence they’d gathered, and a defense lawyer would be sure to seize on any hint of an improper relationship. Using evidence from the outside investigators, they also feared, might leave them open to legal challenge.”

What if the killer is connected to the Greenspan team and seeing the photos helped them in some way?
 
What if the killer is connected to the Greenspan team and seeing the photos helped them in some way?
I completely agree with this concern. I assume that if someone were charged they would be entitled to receive the evidence against them eventually, but if the killer were connected to the Greenspan team it would be helpful for them to know what LE knows as early as possible. Then the next step is setting up a reward and a private tip line so that the leads go to the family's investigative team instead of LE.
 
I completely agree with this concern. I assume that if someone were charged they would be entitled to receive the evidence against them eventually, but if the killer were connected to the Greenspan team it would be helpful for them to know what LE knows as early as possible. Then the next step is setting up a reward and a private tip line so that the leads go to the family's investigative team instead of LE.
This was one of AK’s concerns when she shut down the private team: she realized that tips were potentially being screened instead of going straight to the police. TPS said something at the time about being uncertain that all tips had been turned over; they asked tipsters to reach out to them directly to provide the information.
 
My curiosity was always how would the PI know the evidence was missed? LE had the residence for 6 weeks before the PI could look around. How could a PI determine if a print they see 6 weeks later was not from LE after all finger printing was collected by forensics?

As well my understanding is LE did not share any information with the Private team so again how do they know if it was missed.

Always felt that the lawyers making that statement was for publicity or laying ground for a good defence for someone if they face a trial letter?
After police “dust” for fingerprints you can tell they have done so. Similarly if the PI recovered hair samples (which they did) it is obvious that LE missed those same hairs. I don’t doubt Greenspan and his team found potential evidence that LE missed.
 
2019
''Toronto police say a private investigation into the slayings two years ago of billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman has ended, but their own probe continues — and they want people who sent tips to the private tipline to repeat them now directly to police.

To that end, police have set up a telephone tipline and email address, Insp. Hank Idsinga told a media briefing Monday.''

''While Idsinga said the private team received 343 tips — information that was shared with police — it has now wrapped its work on the case, he said, citing the Sherman family.

Idsinga asked that anyone who submitted those private tips now resubmit them to Toronto police to avoid any loss of information.''
 
After police “dust” for fingerprints you can tell they have done so. Similarly if the PI recovered hair samples (which they did) it is obvious that LE missed those same hairs. I don’t doubt Greenspan and his team found potential evidence that LE missed.
Yes agreed. The PI team could have found new evidence, my question is how would they truly know it is from the time of the murder. They were only let in after multiple people went through every inch of the home for 6 weeks.

IMO if the PI team found finger prints that were not covered in finger print dust, that they were from the investigation teams.

The hair samples found by PI team, did they have it analyzed, do they know whose hair it is, was it HS, BS, housekeeper, maintenance guy, LE, how can the PI team state this is 100% from the night of the crime.

I am not saying it is or is not, just do not know how they can be so sure.

Feels more like a tactic, releasing the statement to the public, what purpose did that serve? The team was dismantled shortly after and no more statements made to back up the facts they say are true.

This Greenspan team know they can report to the public more details than police can. They made statements that had little to no proof shared to back it up, just more accusations against LE poor investigations, is this to distract everyone’s attention? IMO, If the team really wanted to be helpful to the investigation they would have followed LE directives, gave all evidence they uncovered, but they did not.

That is a defence attorney job, with the known facts, to create doubt, that the facts may not be so cut and dry. That ground work was laid in the first few days when this team was put together. IMO LE/prosecutors know this and are taking time to ensure if they charge someone it will make it to court and they would win.
 
Stunning new article just now by KD
Thanks! From link..
''Two SUVs pull into the next-door neighbours’ driveway. Four people get out and are seen moving around for at least an hour. Soon after, Barry and Honey Sherman are murdered.''
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''First, the area around Old Colony was on high alert due to recent break-ins. Were the people in the SUVs burglars?
Second, a mundane explanation — the couple had something scheduled at their house for that evening such as a visit from a tradesman or family members.''
 
This has gotta be a leak from the private team. The homeowners wouldn’t have edited the video to cut it off at this point.

As with the photos of the Sherman kitchen, this makes me think whoever leaked it has lost all confidence the TPS will resolve the case.

It *is* useful confirmation of another angle of security video coverage.
 
This has gotta be a leak from the private team. The homeowners wouldn’t have edited the video to cut it off at this point.

As with the photos of the Sherman kitchen, this makes me think whoever leaked it has lost all confidence the TPS will resolve the case.

It *is* useful confirmation of another angle of security video coverage.
Is it possible that TPS hasn’t even reviewed this video, and that’s the reason for their non comment?

As a reminder, former Chief Saunders was very quick to very publicly comment on another video showing a mystery car and an unidentified individual in front of the Sherman house the day after the murders, as he proclaimed that “we know who that person is” or words to that effect.
 

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