CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[fadedglitter]

Any new information in the Mirror article? I don’t like the terms of that “privacy” policy.

 

[dotr]

Any new information in the Mirror article? I don’t like the terms of that “privacy” policy.

There was nothing new, it was surprising to see the article pop up at all, but keeping in mind, tips might still come from anywhere at anytime from anybody, imo.

 

[WINDSOR]

Surprised to see this 'new' UK article, but fwiw..

• 8 Nov 2024
• Billionaire couple's mystery murder as bodies left 'in yoga poses' by pool
• ''Despite never attending law school, the billionaire was notorious for sniffing out legal loopholes, and made a fortune undercutting big-name pharmaceutical companies - generating revenue streams of $1.6 billion by marketing generic alternatives to drugs developed by larger corporations.
  
  He once said of his rivals during an interview in 2000: "They hate us. They have private investigators on us all the time, trying to investigate. The thought once came to mind, why didn't they just hire someone to knock me off. For a thousand bucks paid to the right person, you can probably get someone killed. Perhaps I'm surprised that hasn't happened."

I do not think that Barry really believed his own rhetoric regarding the risks to his life. If he was concerned, would he not have increased security and protection, at least a bodyguard. He could have Apotex pay for it all.
I think in this interview he might be trying to impress the interviewer more than anything.

A big company like Apotex, likely had a Security Department, and providing security for Barry would be standard operating procedure, unless Barry did not want it.

 

[fadedglitter]

I’ve always thought that Barry was being a bit transactional and logical there. Certainly he was aware of security threats in the pharmaceutical sector and had taken steps to deal with them. In fact, at the time of the murders one of the pending lawsuits alleged that Apotex’s president and CEO had accepted trade secrets from a girlfriend who worked for a competitor.

The reference to murder-for-hire seems like one of Barry’s offhand musings: this other company is putting a lot of time and money into trying to eliminate Apotex as a competitor and it could all be over for $1000 which is what I imagine a hitman charges.

I do not think he genuinely believed he was at risk of being murdered by a hitman. Had he believed that, he would have behaved differently. He was aware of personal security measures and chose not to use them.

 

[Window21]

Thanks for all the updates guys, I am just doing my usual 3 - 4 month pop in to see if there is any movement on this case. Saddened and angered to hear nothing has changed and it is STILL at a complete standstill!!

In previous cases throughout the years when cases have been unsolved and it has been years and no movement sometimes the police will release a bit of new info in hopes that it will trigger someone to remember something etc.....I find it interesting the TPS is staying silent and hasn't been asking the public for more help. Also, with the reward money being so high it is interesting that no one has come forward with some info. Maybe whomever is involved in these murders have enough of their own cash and money means nothing to them at this point. If that's the case, then this tells me if there was more than one person involved in these murders then all parties involved have a load of money because someone by now would turn the other person it. IMO....

 

[dotr]

I’ve always thought that Barry was being a bit transactional and logical there. Certainly he was aware of security threats in the pharmaceutical sector and had taken steps to deal with them. In fact, at the time of the murders one of the pending lawsuits alleged that Apotex’s president and CEO had accepted trade secrets from a girlfriend who worked for a competitor.

The reference to murder-for-hire seems like one of Barry’s offhand musings: this other company is putting a lot of time and money into trying to eliminate Apotex as a competitor and it could all be over for $1000 which is what I imagine a hitman charges.

I do not think he genuinely believed he was at risk of being murdered by a hitman. Had he believed that, he would have behaved differently. He was aware of personal security measures and chose not to use them.

Driving an old beat up car, flying economy and eating at modest restaurants like Swiss Chalet, are wise habits if, A- you want to stay super rich, and B,- not attract attention from those who target affluent/powerful people. imo.

• Updated Mar 25, 2023
• Barry Sherman’s son says his father asked him to repay tens of millions of dollars, two weeks before murders, but Barry was ‘all in’ with son’s business
• He maintains he is as frugal as was his thrifty father, who drove rusty old cars and ate at Swiss Chalet.''
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• 'When their parents were killed, the Sherman children hired security guards who had previously worked for Bank Hapoalim in Israel. A detail was assigned to all four children, and as well as Apotex executives including Jack Kay. Kay lost his security detail when Jonathon fired him, a year and a day after Barry and Honey were killed. To this day, the security detail is never more than a few metres from Jonathon, his sister Alex and Alex’s husband, Brad, whenever they leave their homes. I do not know if the same applies to siblings Kaelen and Lauren, who have not replied to interview requests'.

 

[ldlager]

Thanks for all the updates guys, I am just doing my usual 3 - 4 month pop in to see if there is any movement on this case. Saddened and angered to hear nothing has changed and it is STILL at a complete standstill!!

In previous cases throughout the years when cases have been unsolved and it has been years and no movement sometimes the police will release a bit of new info in hopes that it will trigger someone to remember something etc.....I find it interesting the TPS is staying silent and hasn't been asking the public for more help. Also, with the reward money being so high it is interesting that no one has come forward with some info. Maybe whomever is involved in these murders have enough of their own cash and money means nothing to them at this point. If that's the case, then this tells me if there was more than one person involved in these murders then all parties involved have a load of money because someone by now would turn the other person it. IMO....

Maybe the police in fact have nothing. But by them not releasing information or asking the public for information they are hoping to make the public think they have something. MOO

 

[WINDSOR]

Regardless if the TPS have nothing or something, I believe Law Enforcement have an obligation to keep the public informed of the status and progress in the investigation.

We all know that the activities of our government agencies and institutions must be as clear and open as possible for the benefit of all citizens. Public scrutiny serves us all.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Did not read too carefully, but possibly this post?
Map @ link.

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CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21'

Jun 13, 2023

I've seen the warrant documents and ITOs. Interestingly, they make reference to the walking man walking on Old Colony Road. It could just be a typo. They may, however, have evidence of him on Old Colony. Here me out.

There is a small side street called Harrison, not annotated in the below map, but going east down Old Colony its the first left. There is nothing on that little street, at the end there is a brush but also a pavement walkway that comes out on the street behind, forest heights. I've confirmed with those in the neighborhood that that path has been there for years. The pavement...

• MrsHenryAbra

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This wording about seeing the NW on OC makes me pause and try to think it through.

If the NW is the murderer or lookout why would it be a surprise they walked on OC road? The NW could have walked by the home and turned around and came back to enter from the rear, but the details released to media said early on that the NW was caught on multiple streets in the neighborhood.

If the NW was captured on video from OC road then he most likely did not enter the property from the back yard. But we do not know if this video that is referenced in the article is the one that shows the NW leave camera angle and return into camera view hours later, in the near vicinity of the Sherman property or seen block’s away from the Sherman property.

Many are convinced someone entered from the back yard.
Does this support more than one perpetrator? Was the NW just a lookout as some have suggested.

I am not sure which report of video is from what neighbour, did the home that had the 911 follow up visit have any video? And was it them that had blurred the Thursday morning visitor, are they across the street or up the street.

 

[fadedglitter]

This is from an ITO dated November 14, 2018:
CONSTRUCTION OF TIMELINE FOR UNKNOWN PERSON WALKING IN THE AREA OF 50
OLD COLONY ROAD
On July 4th, 2018 I reviewed a video chronology, completed by DC PICKETT and DC
THAYALAN for the unknown person referred to earlier, who was walking on Old Colony Road.
(…)
The following is a consolidated timeline for the known movements of Honey SHERMAN, Bernard SHERMAN and the unknown person walking on Old Colony Road for December 13th, 2017.


The WS post linked above has screenshots showing this snippet from the ITO.

It isn’t clear from the unredacted sections whether the person is walking on Old Colony toward or away from the Sherman home, or both. It isn’t clear which other streets he used in either direction. We can guess by looking at a map and tracing paths from OC to Bannatyne but that would be speculation.

The neighbours with the 911 follow-up are not the same as the ones across the street with the video camera that captured the Thursday visitor. The Star has reported that they live about 10 houses away. This story makes it clear they are different neighbours: Barry and Honey Sherman’s neighbours cite mysterious 911 call, visitor on day before billionaires found dead

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

This is from an ITO dated November 14, 2018:
CONSTRUCTION OF TIMELINE FOR UNKNOWN PERSON WALKING IN THE AREA OF 50
OLD COLONY ROAD
On July 4th, 2018 I reviewed a video chronology, completed by DC PICKETT and DC
THAYALAN for the unknown person referred to earlier, who was walking on Old Colony Road.
(…)
The following is a consolidated timeline for the known movements of Honey SHERMAN, Bernard SHERMAN and the unknown person walking on Old Colony Road for December 13th, 2017.


The WS post linked above has screenshots showing this snippet from the ITO.

It isn’t clear from the unredacted sections whether the person is walking on Old Colony toward or away from the Sherman home, or both. It isn’t clear which other streets he used in either direction. We can guess by looking at a map and tracing paths from OC to Bannatyne but that would be speculation.

The neighbours with the 911 follow-up are not the same as the ones across the street with the video camera that captured the Thursday visitor. The Star has reported that they live about 10 houses away. This story makes it clear they are different neighbours: Barry and Honey Sherman’s neighbours cite mysterious 911 call, visitor on day before billionaires found dead

Thank you fadedglitter!

That cleared up my curiosity wondering if these two reports were the same neighbour.

Now my question is was the video of the NW on OC road on neighbour #1 camera direct across street or neighbour #2 around 10 houses away by the 911 incident address. Come to think of it the 911 follow up visit does not mention if the family gave or had any video, it was not in the article if they had cameras.

 

[fadedglitter]

Neighbour with camera showing the Thursday visitor: across the street from the Shermans.

911 Neighbour: about 10 houses away, no indication of whether they gave video to the police.

Neighbours with cameras showing the NW’s path toward and away from the home: unknown number, unknown locations.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Thank you fadedglitter!

That cleared up my curiosity wondering if these two reports were the same neighbour.

Now my question is was the video of the NW on OC road on neighbour #1 camera direct across street or neighbour #2 around 10 houses away by the 911 incident address. Come to think of it the 911 follow up visit does not mention if the family gave or had any video, it was not in the article if they had cameras.

10 houses away in that area is far because most of the homes are on double or larger lots.

Based on what KD said, I had the impression that the 911 house was here where I dropped the pin:

Google image map.

KD said that house was about 10 houses away and that the officer likely passed the Thursday visitor at #50.

I’ve mentioned this before—The thing with double or larger lots is that it throws off the typical pattern of house numbers.

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I think someone called 911 and the street # s were an issue.

I think another possibility is #15 Old Colony, which is exactly 10 houses away. Maybe 15 & 50 were mixed up because they sound so similar.

 

[fadedglitter]

10 houses away in that area is far because most of the homes are on double or larger lots.

Based on what KD said, I had the impression that the 911 house was here where I dropped the pin:View attachment 545182
Google image map.

KD said that house was about 10 houses away and that the officer likely passed the Thursday visitor at #50.

I’ve mentioned this before—The thing with double or larger lots is that it throws off the typical pattern of house numbers.
View attachment 545188

Streetlight Map - Toronto Hydro

Report a streetlight out or check the status of a streetlight.

www.torontohydro.com

I think someone called 911 and the street # s were an issue.

I think another possibility is #15 Old Colony, which is exactly 10 houses away. Maybe 15 & 50 were mixed up because they sound so similar.
View attachment 545190

In that direction for sure.

“On the Thursday morning at 9:45 a.m., a full day before the Sherman bodies were discovered, homeowners down the road from the Shermans answered a knock on their door. The Star has agreed not to identify the homeowners or their exact address. They live roughly 10 houses away on Old Colony, near Bayview Ave. and Hwy. 401.” (Barry and Honey Sherman’s neighbours cite mysterious 911 call, visitor on day before billionaires found dead)

 

[dotr]

Wondering if repeated internet searches about the Sherman family and the home address/layout, were made prior to the murders, if so, would there be a record of that?

 

[WINDSOR]

Wondering if repeated internet searches about the Sherman family and the home address/layout, were made prior to the murders, if so, would there be a record of that?

Yes there may have been a record on the computer(s) that did the searching prior to the murders. However the police would have had to have taken possession of those computers under the terms of a search warrant. I do not believe the TPS had any suspects that were served with such search warrants. Likely by now those computers have been destroyed.

 

[Kinetic]

This wording about seeing the NW on OC makes me pause and try to think it through.

If the NW is the murderer or lookout why would it be a surprise they walked on OC road? The NW could have walked by the home and turned around and came back to enter from the rear, but the details released to media said early on that the NW was caught on multiple streets in the neighborhood.

If the NW was captured on video from OC road then he most likely did not enter the property from the back yard. But we do not know if this video that is referenced in the article is the one that shows the NW leave camera angle and return into camera view hours later, in the near vicinity of the Sherman property or seen block’s away from the Sherman property.

Many are convinced someone entered from the back yard.
Does this support more than one perpetrator? Was the NW just a lookout as some have suggested.

I am not sure which report of video is from what neighbour, did the home that had the 911 follow up visit have any video? And was it them that had blurred the Thursday morning visitor, are they across the street or up the street.

What does NW mean? I have tried looking it up. I assume it refers to the walker seen near the house,so i can infer W to mean walker, but what does NW mean specifically?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

What does NW mean? I have tried looking it up. I assume it refers to the walker seen near the house,so i can infer W to mean walker, but what does NW mean specifically?

Night walker.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Wondering if repeated internet searches about the Sherman family and the home address/layout, were made prior to the murders, if so, would there be a record of that?

I assume many entities could have this information, the ISP for one, all the AI databases collecting information all over the world.

In Canada this is private information - to have a company convert the IP address that visits the website to a name and address of a specific person - that requires a warrant to the company that bills for a service and knows both these pieces of information. If surfing the web from a pc laptop tablet or mobile device the website visited will collect analytics on the IP address visiting the website, unless it is an app that requires you to provide a email address or personal information it does not know who you are.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

10 houses away in that area is far because most of the homes are on double or larger lots.

Based on what KD said, I had the impression that the 911 house was here where I dropped the pin:View attachment 545182
Google image map.

KD said that house was about 10 houses away and that the officer likely passed the Thursday visitor at #50.

I’ve mentioned this before—The thing with double or larger lots is that it throws off the typical pattern of house numbers.
View attachment 545188

Streetlight Map - Toronto Hydro

Report a streetlight out or check the status of a streetlight.

www.torontohydro.com

I think someone called 911 and the street # s were an issue.

I think another possibility is #15 Old Colony, which is exactly 10 houses away. Maybe 15 & 50 were mixed up because they sound so similar.
View attachment 545190

Very good information here, I also wondered if 10 houses away could have been a quick assumption if you see transcripts of written conversations like - 10 homes away from 50 you could quickly not considering lot sizes say number 40 or 60 Old Colony Rd. Google does not locate a 60 but 40 OC is at the corner of that side street Harrison?