CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[TootsieFootsie]

What does NW mean? I have tried looking it up. I assume it refers to the walker seen near the house,so i can infer W to mean walker, but what does NW mean specifically?

I was trying to figure it out too, and the first thing that came to my mind was "new woman".
I thought that maybe something new, ie the sex of the walker had been found out.

 

[fadedglitter]

No, it’s a gender-neutral version of WM (walking man), used interchangeably at least by me.

 

[Kinetic]

Seems to me that a better abbreviation would be UW or UnW, for Unknown Walker. Like UNSUB.

 

[Charlot123]

Seems to me that a better abbreviation would be UW or UnW, for Unknown Walker. Like UNSUB.

UW is a famous abbreviation in my state, and I don't think it applies here.

NW is "nonchalant walker" and it can be used IMHO. At least this is how I always explained it.

 

[dotr]

'The Night Walker: Kevin Donovan on the suspect in the Sherman murders'​

Dec 20, 2021

Dec 15, 2021
Criminologist and former police officer Mike Arntfield on what the release of a suspect video could mean for the Sherman murder probe.

 

[newclues]

Let's start with some back to basic questions. What was in BS will regarding the conditions under which his children would inherit everything? Who knew about all of these conditions in his will?

 

[WINDSOR]

Let's start with some back to basic questions. What was in BS will regarding the conditions under which his children would inherit everything? Who knew about all of these conditions in his will?

Who knew the contents of the will?
You can assume the lawyer who created the will, Honey who if Barry died first would get everything, the Trustees/Executers who would administer the will. Likely some or all the kids as well.

 

[J Sleuth]

Who knew the contents of the will?
You can assume the lawyer who created the will, Honey who if Barry died first would get everything, the Trustees/Executers who would administer the will. Likely some or all the kids as well.

My understanding is that Honey would get the income from the capital of the trust but would not get the capital.

 

[ldlager]

My understanding is that Honey would get the income from the capital of the trust but would not get the capital.

I believe Honey was to get the income and also any portion of the capital that she required to live on. And HS could easily have lived for many more years after Dec 2017 when BS was killed. And it was said that HS was not nearly as generous with giving funds to her children than BS was.
Bottom line, I am saying that if BS died in Dec 2017 and HS did not, the beneficiaries of HS’ estate (and effectively the estate of BS) might have had to wait years, even decades, before inheriting any money.

 

[fadedglitter]

Barry’s children were to get everything when he and Honey both died. If she outlived him, the net annual income from his holdings (like Apotex) was to be paid to her quarterly.

The kids were to get the money when they turned 35; only the oldest was over 35 at the time of the murders. Until then, the trustees could make payments to them for things they needed.

I have a family member who set up their will this way: net annual income to the spouse but the assets to the kids once both spouses were dead.

 

[ldlager]

Barry’s children were to get everything when he and Honey both died. If she outlived him, the net annual income from his holdings (like Apotex) was to be paid to her quarterly.

The kids were to get the money when they turned 35; only the oldest was over 35 at the time of the murders. Until then, the trustees could make payments to them for things they needed.

I have a family member who set up their will this way: net annual income to the spouse but the assets to the kids once both spouses were dead.

Yes, but only once both spouses were deceased….

 

[WINDSOR]

In summation, if Honey and Barry were both dead, kids get everything eventually.

"In the primary will, Barry directs his trustees to evenly distribute his entire fortune among his four children in the event of Honey Sherman’s death. But he asks that more than 40 per cent of each child’s share be withheld until they turn 35. They would receive one quarter of their share upon turning 24 and one-third upon turning 30."


In my estimation, after the sale of Apotex, each child ended up being a Billionaire at least.

 

[newclues]

In summation, if Honey and Barry were both dead, kids get everything eventually.

"In the primary will, Barry directs his trustees to evenly distribute his entire fortune among his four children in the event of Honey Sherman’s death. But he asks that more than 40 per cent of each child’s share be withheld until they turn 35. They would receive one quarter of their share upon turning 24 and one-third upon turning 30."


In my estimation, after the sale of Apotex, each child ended up being a Billionaire at least.

Thus, it looks like the murder of both of them allowed for this condition in BS's will to start to occur.
IMO, it would be worth taking a closer look at each of the trustees since they knew what was in BS's will.

 

[fadedglitter]

Trustees do not necessarily know what is in a will before the person dies, although of course Barry may have shared those details with them.

Similarly, it is common for the beneficiaries to have been told the person’s intentions, at least in general outline. People with aging parents often have frank conversations about what is in the will. But sometimes they are surprised.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Thus, it looks like the murder of both of them allowed for this condition in BS's will to start to occur.
IMO, it would be worth taking a closer look at each of the trustees since they knew what was in BS's will.

I have often thought as BS was an easy target leaving Apotex any day, same for HS known to be home alone in the evenings before BS got home, was HS the target and the staging was being done to look like BS murdered her - or they were trying to hide HS body from BS and staff but BS came home early and caught them in the act and thus he was killed too?

Or did they plan to kill both from the start, if so IMO a person followed BS in down the driveway ramp, was someone else already in the home attacking HS or did they get a hold of BS subdued with jacket pulled over arms, quick tie of wrist, and then run after HS?

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Interesting tie bit, I was chatting with a neighbour who is a screen writer and he was involved in one of the documentaries on the Sherman murders ( not sure which on, he freelances ) . He referenced KD work a lot and said, with the fact finding they did with all the published information on the case, he felt LE had a lot of interest in Andrew Liss aka Andrew London, the pampered nomad now living in Portugal.

 

[dotr]

Interesting tie bit, I was chatting with a neighbour who is a screen writer and he was involved in one of the documentaries on the Sherman murders ( not sure which on, he freelances ) . He referenced KD work a lot and said, with the fact finding they did with all the published information on the case, he felt LE had a lot of interest in Andrew Liss aka Andrew London, the pampered nomad now living in Portugal.

There was an intriguing bit about AL in Lexi's post .

CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #22'

Aug 14, 2023

Has anyone else read the court documents that Ann Brocklehurst linked?

Most of them are written by Detective Yim and I was constantly surprised and discouraged by how many typos and other errors there are in the documents.

Some of the new things that I learned are that Mary mentioned Jonathon’s ex-boyfriend Andrew Liss (aka Andrew London) to the police and she noted some points of conflict. Barry once apologized to Andrew about Mary’s behaviour towards him, according to Andrew.

He lived at 50 Old Colony at one point, but not much was said about it. Barry funded his projects...

• Lexiintoronto

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[fadedglitter]

Yes, each small detail is interesting and I keep hoping there will be more about AL.

 

[Andreee]

I was trying to figure it out too, and the first thing that came to my mind was "new woman".
I thought that maybe something new, ie the sex of the walker had been found out.

Night Walker!

 

[dotr]

Hypothetical question if i may..
Had the Shermans been alive after Oct 7, 2023, would that change anything, would they still be murdered?
Jan. 14, 2022

Relative believes 'someone was making a statement' in murder of Barry and Honey Sherman, unsealed documents show

A cache of unsealed documents related to the murder of Barry and Honey Sherman is revealing new details about the investigation into the deaths of the Toronto billionaire couple, including an interview with one relative who believes 'someone was making a statement' in their killings.

toronto.ctvnews.ca