CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[kiwi50]

Could there not be a hitman hired by somebody close to the deceased? It does not have to be an 'either - or'.
I believe the theory the TPS is working on is that it was somebody close to the Sherman's masterminded this. The mastermind hired a hitman. The TPS has spent most of the investigation trying to identify the hitman, and prove links between him and the mastermind. That is why all the overseas data searches.

My unwritten rules in similar cases,
1) Follow the money.
2) 80% of the time parents killed in the family home, look at children.
3) Staged bodies, usually means emotional involvement by someone.
4) Everybody lies.
5) The guilty try to throw suspicion off themselves.
(How many killers have participated in the search for a missing woman, knowing all the time where they hid the body)

MOO

I think it would be very easy to hire an ex Mossad agent.With their Intelligence capabilities the Sherman killings would be easy

 

[Cedars]

Could there not be a hitman hired by somebody close to the deceased? It does not have to be an 'either - or'.

RSBM

I've followed everything Julia Cowley, the profiler, has said (JMO but she's the best).

Her approach is extremely scientific, all based on the evidence (she started in forensics). Everything she says is based on her experience of hundreds (she recently estimated 500 but has no real idea) of crime scenes she's processed or supervised, plus innumerable cases she's investigated or followed as a true crime devotee since her teens. The mantra is, 'what does the evidence say?'.

IMO, she is pointing out, there is nothing about this crime scene that suggests a hit, while there are numerous details that are completely contrary to the crime scene where a hit has occurred. She knows all about hits and what they look like - the crime scene reflects the motivations of someone in a personal relationship, not a hired killer.

Then people say 'who cares, maybe this was a completely unique crime with a completely unique, never-before encountered kind of hitman'.

So, if you go in that direction, that the evidence isn't important, why choose a hitman? You could also claim it was Odinists (if you are following Delphi). Martians, anything you want to believe. Because you are discarding the evidence in favour of your imagination, rather than sticking to reality.

JMO

 

[fadedglitter]

Agreed, there is no evidence of a hitman and everything about the scene suggests a killer who was very familiar with the home and the family.

Some people have decided they know who the perpetrator is and are bending all available evidence to match that theory. If the night walker looked like the person these folks suspect, there would be no suggestion that it was a hitman.

 

[WINDSOR]

IMO, she is pointing out, there is nothing about this crime scene that suggests a hit.

Cedars and fadeglitter; Maybe it is semantics that I am not following. If you believe a 'hit' is a very specific type of murder, let us say a gunshot to the head, from close range, with no staging. Then the the crime that occurred at the The Sherman home is not a hit.

But we know in the annals of crime, there have been instances where people have been hired to kill other people in specific ways, stage the bodies, and possibly with other instructions.
Examples, "Shoot him in the face several times, so there will be no open casket."
" No guns"
"Dump him in the East River after"
"I do not want his body ever found"

If there was a hitman involved in this case, and you eliminate the possibility of a hitman, for whatever possible valid reason, it will be a very hard case to solve.

Conversely if no professional hitman was involved, are you saying that somebody in the Sherman circle of friends and family has the physical and mental strength to strangle and then stage the bodies?

MOO

 

[Cedars]

Conversely if no professional hitman was involved, are you saying that somebody in the Sherman circle of friends and family has the physical and mental strength to strangle and then stage the bodies?

MOO

RSBM

I am not saying it, I believe that is what Julia Cowley, former FBI profiler, is saying, based in what she has learned about the crime scene, with the priviso that she never personally saw the crime scene, has not read the police files, and therefore could be wrong. It is based on her experience, and she is much more experienced than I am, having never seen a single crime scene or worked any kind of police investigation.

JMO

 

[dotr]

Ironically, the hit man concept was introduced by BS before anyone else. imo.rbbm.

The mystery of who killed a billionaire couple has turned siblings against each other and confounded a nation

Barry and Honey Sherman were discovered by the swimming pool at their luxury Toronto estate, and their murders have confounded detectives for over five years. Could a multi-million-dollar reward now unlock the case? WARNING: Readers might find some details in this story distressing.

www.abc.net.au

''The mystery has turned siblings against each other, and confounded amateur sleuths.''
''Barry Sherman, famous for his ferocious rise through the pharmaceutical industry, once admitted that plenty of people wished him ill.
"They hate us. They have private investigators on us all the time, trying to investigate. The thought once came to my mind, why didn't they just hire someone to knock me off?" he said in 2001.
"For 1,000 bucks paid to the right person you can probably get someone killed. Perhaps I'm surprised that hasn't happened."
May 4, 2021,

'An Excerpt from The Billionaire Murders ''​

Who Killed Honey and Barry Sherman: Investigating The Unsolved Billionaire Murders

An excerpt from Kevin Donovan's new book on the life and death of Barry Sherman, billionaire founder of Canadian pharmaceutical company Apotex, and his wife, Honey.

www.forbes.com

''In the weeks immediately after Barry and Honey died, family openly floated the idea that D’Angelo was either the killer, or that some financial deal he and Barry were involved in led to the attack. D’Angelo scoffs at this idea. “First, Barry was like a brother to me. I loved him. Second, why would I kill the person who has supported me and given so much?”

''I have never believed this was a case of international intrigue, spies, or a business deal gone bad. Big Pharma and some government regulators did not like Barry Sherman, that is true. But they sue; they do not kill. This story has always seemed to follow the same pattern as most murders: a pattern that suggests it involved someone they knew.''

 

[fadedglitter]

IMO, she is pointing out, there is nothing about this crime scene that suggests a hit.

Cedars and fadeglitter; Maybe it is semantics that I am not following. If you believe a 'hit' is a very specific type of murder, let us say a gunshot to the head, from close range, with no staging. Then the the crime that occurred at the The Sherman home is not a hit.

(…)

Conversely if no professional hitman was involved, are you saying that somebody in the Sherman circle of friends and family has the physical and mental strength to strangle and then stage the bodies?

MOO: the killer is not necessarily someone the Shermans would consider a friend or family member. Just a person who felt very very angry with them for some reason, perhaps a reason that seems unimportant to others.

Hired killers exist, sure, but they aren’t the ninjas of the movies. The international assassin is such a fanciful idea it seems utterly implausible to me (clearly others disagree on this point). The staging suggests a level of concern for the family members who were most likely to find them. The killer didn’t just leave the bodies lying where they were killed; he took the time to tuck them away in the far corner of the basement. That makes me think he cared in some way about the people who would eventually start searching the home to look for the Shermans.

 

[WINDSOR]

Respectfully. I do not think the idea of "international assassin is such a fanciful idea it seems utterly implausible to me"
is fanciful. One only has to study the activities of the Russian Spy services and their activities in the United Kingdom and Israeli hits against the Irian nuclear scientists, to know the reality.

I know it is a movie, but Steven Spielberg's film Munich (2005) gives great insight into this world.

 

[newclues]

Agreed, there is no evidence of a hitman and everything about the scene suggests a killer who was very familiar with the home and the family.

Some people have decided they know who the perpetrator is and are bending all available evidence to match that theory. If the night walker looked like the person these folks suspect, there would be no suggestion that it was a hitman.

Yes, it does seem that the NW went around the house finding things and moving them as if the NW knew the place. What has thrown things is the shorter height of the NW. The firehydrant in the picture should be physically measured to be 100% sure.

 

[ldlager]

Yes, it does seem that the NW went around the house finding things and moving them as if the NW knew the place. What has thrown things is the shorter height of the NW. The firehydrant in the picture should be physically measured to be 100% sure.

I don’t believe we know if the NW was actually in the Sherman’s house that night. LE hasn’t confirmed this, or even confirmed that they know whether or not the NW was in the house. They have stated however that they know from cameras that he was in the vicinity of the Sherman’s house.

 

[fadedglitter]

I don’t believe we know if the NW was actually in the Sherman’s house that night. LE hasn’t confirmed this, or even confirmed that they know whether or not the NW was in the house. They have stated however that they know from cameras that he was in the vicinity of the Sherman’s house.

Correct, there is no footage of the person entering their house that evening. Presumably both Honey’s and Barry’s cars were captured travelling through the neighbourhood (on various neighbourhood cameras) and entering the property (on the camera from the house across the street that also captured the Thursday visitor).

 

[WINDSOR]

I don’t believe we know if the NW was actually in the Sherman’s house that night. LE hasn’t confirmed this, or even confirmed that they know whether or not the NW was in the house. They have stated however that they know from cameras that he was in the vicinity of the Sherman’s house.

The challenge we have is, the TPS confirms very few things to the public, regarding this case.
I believe that if the TPS knew for certain that the NW was not in the house, then the TPS would not have asked for the public's help in identifying him/her. So I believe it is safe to assume for now, the NW was in the house.

Regarding the TPS, when was the last time they had a Press Conference about this case?
We are coming up to the seven year anniversary. I believe it is time for the TPS to hold another Press Conference,
tell the public where the case stands and what the TPS plans are for the future.

If the TPS has given up, or just waiting for some miracle to happen they should say so, in my opinion.

 

[dotr]

Re-posts, fwiw..

Streamed live on Dec 14, 2021
'On Tuesday, December 14th, 2021, at 1100AM, Detective Sergeant Brandon Price of Toronto Police Homicide updated the media on the investigation into the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman.Background:On Friday, December 15, 2017, police responded to a 9-1-1 call at 50 Old Colony Road and located the bodies of Barry and Honey Sherman. The cause of death was determined to be ligature neck compression. Homicide took carriage of the investigation. It is believed the Shermans were killed on December 13, 2017.On Tuesday, December 14, 2021, investigators released a video of a person identified as a suspect in this case.Since December 2017, the investigative team has taken numerous steps to identify the person on the video, including:

• requesting video analysis of law enforcement partners such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Ontario Provincial Police
• the TPS Forensic Video Analysis Unit conducting Forensic Photogrammetry experiments
• obtaining judicial authorization to collect data from nearby cell phone towers
• neighbourhood witness canvasses for information

These efforts have not resulted in the positive identification of the person in the video."We have remained steadfast in our commitment to bring closure to the Sherman family, their friends, loved ones and the community," said Detective Sergeant Brandon Price, lead investigator from Homicide. "Through our investigation, we have determined that this individual’s purpose in the neighbourhood is unexplained. The timing of his appearance is in line with when we believe the murders took place. Based on this evidence, we are classifying this individual as a suspect. It is our hope that someone will come forward with a name when they recognize the individual’s walk, the way in which they kick up their right foot with every step, knowing that the person was or is connected to the Sherman family or the area on that day, at that time."To hear the full remarks by Detective Sergeant Price, please click here.

- YouTube impossible' to ID someone from this footage: Ex-detective breaks down Sherman suspect video​

Dec 14, 2021
Retired police detective Kevin Bryan weighs in on the latest developments in the Sherman family murders and the use of the word 'suspect.'

Streamed live on Dec 16, 2019
Inspector Hank Idsinga, Homicide, will release a statement from the Sherman Family in regard to the ongoing investigation into the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman.

Streamed live on Oct 26, 2018
@TorontoPolice News Conference Re: Sherman Homicide Investigation | LiveStream | Friday, October, 26th, 2018 | 4pmMEDIA ADVISORY: On Friday, October 26, 2018, 4 p.m., in the Media Gallery at Toronto Police Headquarters, in the media gallery, Chief Mark Saunders will address the media on the Sherman investigation.

 

[ldlager]

Correct, there is no footage of the person entering their house that evening. Presumably both Honey’s and Barry’s cars were captured travelling through the neighbourhood (on various neighbourhood cameras) and entering the property (on the camera from the house across the street that also captured the Thursday visitor).

IIRC the video taken by the neighbour across the street on the night of the murders may have been lost/filmed over due to TPS’s delay in securing the video from the neighbour. As it was I recall the video of the Thursday visit was at risk of being lost also.

 

[ldlager]

The challenge we have is, the TPS confirms very few things to the public, regarding this case.
I believe that if the TPS knew for certain that the NW was not in the house, then the TPS would not have asked for the public's help in identifying him/her. So I believe it is safe to assume for now, the NW was in the house.

Regarding the TPS, when was the last time they had a Press Conference about this case?
We are coming up to the seven year anniversary. I believe it is time for the TPS to hold another Press Conference,
tell the public where the case stands and what the TPS plans are for the future.

If the TPS has given up, or just waiting for some miracle to happen they should say so, in my opinion.

I do not believe that TPS knows if the NW was in the house that night. How would they know? Any video from across the street (if it is even available which it may not be) would not confirm anyone went into the house. We know this from the THurs video which LE said wasn’t clear enough to allow them to determine if the visitor went into the house.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

IIRC the video taken by the neighbour across the street on the night of the murders may have been lost/filmed over due to TPS’s delay in securing the video from the neighbour. As it was I recall the video of the Thursday visit was at risk of being lost also.

You’re right, it was at risk of being deleted, but they did hand over Wednesday’s video. They said they didn’t look at Wednesday’s footage, they looked at Thursday’s. (No offence, but I have trouble believing that. And I understand why they’d keep it to themselves.) They were open about seeing the Thursday visitor on cctv.

They also said the police didn’t show them the image of the WM to see if they recognized them. If that’s true, why wouldn’t they show it to them?

Speculation—maybe because the WM wasn’t on their cctv footage. Maybe it was another neighbour’s, and that’s what the police were initially working on with urgency.

 

[fadedglitter]

The security video across the street is on a seven-day loop. (…) Finally, on Sunday, police walked across the road and copied the video. While police do have this video dating back to several days before the Sherman bodies were found, several days were lost due to police tardiness, the Star’s research found. Police have not officially said what they discovered on the neighbour’s video, though the Star sources say it does show a man parked outside the home on Thursday, the day after the Shermans died.

I take this to mean the police have video from the house across the street from December 11 (Monday) to December 17 (Sunday).

 

[dotr]

2019

29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor?

While the Shermans lay dead in the basement pool room of their Toronto home a lone man went in and out of their house three times, according to an account of security camera footage seized by Toronto police.

www.thestar.com

''According to images in the security video, a man visited the Sherman house on Thursday morning, Dec. 14. The Star has not seen the video but has been provided with a detailed account, backed up by handwritten notes taken by a person who reviewed the tape. The person is the homeowner who provided copies of the video to police and to private investigator Mike Davis of Greenspan’s team before the original video (on a seven-day loop) was wiped clean.''

 

[WINDSOR]

I do not believe that TPS knows if the NW was in the house that night. How would they know? Any video from across the street (if it is even available which it may not be) would not confirm anyone went into the house. We know this from the THurs video which LE said wasn’t clear enough to allow them to determine if the visitor went into the house.

We really do not know what the TPS knows about the NW and if he was in the house, because they are not saying anything.
What we do know is

• Somebody was in the house with the Sherman's; who killed them.
• The TPS may have forensic evidence from inside the house, that could identify who that person was.
• Through investigation, the TPS may have eliminated everybody but the NW as being in the house.
• The TPS is not saying publicly what they know, which after all these years is perplexing to me.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

IIRC the video taken by the neighbour across the street on the night of the murders may have been lost/filmed over due to TPS’s delay in securing the video from the neighbour. As it was I recall the video of the Thursday visit was at risk of being lost also.

My interpretation of the reports was that no neighbour cameras show the entrances to the Sherman home, just the edge of the property, if someone were to walk onto the driveway from the street they are out of camera sight lines and thus why it can not be determined 100% with this piece of evidence if the person entered the home or not, all we know is they entered the area of the property.

Sadly we do not know enough about when or how the alarm codes on the door entrance were either turned off / disarmed or disabled. Police Transcripts released to the public showed an exit we assume was HS leaving for the 5pm meeting at Apotex and then one entry at around 8 pm and then nothing after that.

Also curious, I cannot see in any pictures of any alarm key pads in the area entering the home from the garage, was BS in the habit of entering a code when he arrived home and came in through the basement?