CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[ldlager]

Came across a Tripadvisor post from the Papered Nomad from June 2018, about 6 months after the Sherman murders. It lists his location as Toronto. I had understood or maybe just assumed that he was living overseas at the time of the murders. But perhaps not?

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g293774-i9523-k11497393-Cape_Verde_solo_hiking_trip_June_2018-Cape_Verde.html

 

[xjd11]

Timeline included at link.
Dec. 13, 2020

Did someone know Barry and Honey Sherman’s schedule? Close friends were away and they had nothing planned

On the third anniversary of the murders, the Star’s ongoing investigation takes a hard look at the timeline information, including documents released by a Toronto judge last week.

www.thestar.com

''Late that Tuesday evening, son Jonathon and husband Fred arrive back from their trip to Japan. Jet lagged, they went to their home in King City, arriving by around 7 p.m. One thing that was on Jonathon’s mind was starting a family, using surrogates, paid for by Barry.''

https://podcasts.musixmatch.com/podcast/suspicion-40-years-cold-01gttmmw40q3na01cxg9j6kp92/episode/s2-the-billionaire-murders-e7-pointing-fingers-01h07n6js817w7rhm672vqdwkp

''I arrived home from Japan on December 12th. Sometime late afternoon, I got home from the airport sometime around seven PM.
35:03
I know this timeline because I have a picture of our cat wearing her kimono, which we would have put on our first thing after getting home the day they arrived December 12 was a Tuesday. Jonathan said he and Fred were exhausted so they stayed at home back then they were living in the log cabin house. As you may know there is serious jet lag after a trip to Japan
Most of the following few days were at home adjusting. I can only be as specific as my phone can tell me. For example, I have various photos taken on my iphone. Jonathan gave me an iphone photo. He took of his hand holding a piece of paper with the numbers and letters on it. He said they were seed codes for Cryptocurrency from his Japan trip.''

The Cat Kimono alibi is the only funny thing about this case, but it is pretty hilarious.

 

[newclues]

Timeline included at link.
Dec. 13, 2020

Did someone know Barry and Honey Sherman’s schedule? Close friends were away and they had nothing planned

On the third anniversary of the murders, the Star’s ongoing investigation takes a hard look at the timeline information, including documents released by a Toronto judge last week.

www.thestar.com

''Late that Tuesday evening, son Jonathon and husband Fred arrive back from their trip to Japan. Jet lagged, they went to their home in King City, arriving by around 7 p.m. One thing that was on Jonathon’s mind was starting a family, using surrogates, paid for by Barry.''

https://podcasts.musixmatch.com/podcast/suspicion-40-years-cold-01gttmmw40q3na01cxg9j6kp92/episode/s2-the-billionaire-murders-e7-pointing-fingers-01h07n6js817w7rhm672vqdwkp

''I arrived home from Japan on December 12th. Sometime late afternoon, I got home from the airport sometime around seven PM.
35:03
I know this timeline because I have a picture of our cat wearing her kimono, which we would have put on our first thing after getting home the day they arrived December 12 was a Tuesday. Jonathan said he and Fred were exhausted so they stayed at home back then they were living in the log cabin house. As you may know there is serious jet lag after a trip to Japan
Most of the following few days were at home adjusting. I can only be as specific as my phone can tell me. For example, I have various photos taken on my iphone. Jonathan gave me an iphone photo. He took of his hand holding a piece of paper with the numbers and letters on it. He said they were seed codes for Cryptocurrency from his Japan trip.''

If these codes were shown for the cryptocurrency account, then couldn't someone reading them access the account?

 

[Charlot123]

Hypothetical question if i may..
Had the Shermans been alive after Oct 7, 2023, would that change anything, would they still be murdered?
Jan. 14, 2022

Relative believes 'someone was making a statement' in murder of Barry and Honey Sherman, unsealed documents show

A cache of unsealed documents related to the murder of Barry and Honey Sherman is revealing new details about the investigation into the deaths of the Toronto billionaire couple, including an interview with one relative who believes 'someone was making a statement' in their killings.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

I think it would be more difficult as there is better surveillance.

Ironically, today was the first time when I thought that the reason for their murders could be religious. However, I looked at the NW, his gait and all. He appears Caucasian. And a typical word Holly could use about such people is not even offensive, it is a part of so many jokes. So, unlikely.

However, one of the comments about the case (made online) surprised me. Where I read it, there were lots of conspiracy theories as usual (the case was not presented deeply), and then, someone new to the case posted, "I don't think too many care whether the case is solved or not." Asked why, the person said, "they could have offended many, just look at Barry and his own uncle's children."

It was like a light switch. Not about the relatives, I believe that line was ruled out. However, it put me on another trail, far from Honey. I view her as big, larger than life person, maybe with a mouth on her, but probably warm-hearted and empathetic. Such people can blab something and be forgiven. But Barry, thought I...such a workaholic, a cutthroat businessman and not a great reader of people. He could have offended so many and never noticed it. Never noticed means, never told to his family that he'd made an enemy. It could be something deeply personal, but hidden for years as Barry was an important person with local party connections. But retirement immediately changes one's status to less significant, even if he was a mega-donor. And, the Shermans were moving. Never a better time. Plus, the way they lived, the Shermans were not too suspicious or paranoid, so it could be easy.

So either someone who bore a grudge against Barry and maybe, lived close enough to observe the family? Perhaps he came to dislike Holly, maybe he had some negative feelings against their religion, but I think it was someone who initially hated Barry, and for Barry. Regardless. And since Barry spent all time working, JMO, it was someone who thought he got the shorter end of the deal in a business transaction, or maybe could never forget how Barry presented it.

So since the question of one kid/ex is always up in the air, it is possible. 50%

Another 50% - someone deeply offended in the process of business, and not recently.

I hope it doesn't read as victim blaming, but when such a case is not solved for 7 years, perhaps it is OK to discuss all theories.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes! That was an interesting piece of info; police thinking that one killer was left handed, the other killer was right handed based on how the knots were tied on both Honey and Barry. Would be very interesting to see who in their world is left handed. I’m left handed and there are so many things I do that I’m unaware being unique to lefties. It’s only when someone points it out that I realize I am doing something differently than right-handers

If two people.

If one person, it might be not about R/L, but "symmetry". If I understand right, there was a certain symmetry in their positioning. I arrange things symmetrically, but it doesn't mean, the same, it could also be "mirror image" like the ties in the opposite ways. Or perhaps even the position of Honey's shoes.

If anyone has such "symmetry preference", you'd see a person trying to make equal number of steps when getting up the stairs, or trying not to step on pavement cracks. It is possible that there were two killers, but two attract attention.

 

[fadedglitter]

If these codes were shown for the cryptocurrency account, then couldn't someone reading them access the account?

That’s my understanding, but I’m not into crypto. This is why I’ve never thought of the photo as an attempt to craft an alibi: if I were trying to use a photo to prove I wasn’t at a crime scene, that photo would contain my face and be of an identifiable location and time, like someone’s wedding. It wouldn’t be of my hand hours earlier holding something I don’t want people to know. The photo isn’t an alibi. It’s just a normal, dumb thing to do. I have lots of photos of things I want to remember.

I’m told that this seed code should never be written down let alone photographed because anyone who gets it can empty the account.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Now this is an interesting take, one I haven’t seen before. That would be a way to hurt everyone in the family at once.

And as a result of these murders, sadly this family and their intimate relationships was destroyed. Family members no longer speaking, no trusting anyone anymore, divorces, leaving Canada for life in Israel, choosing sides and live with the torture of not knowing who or why someone did this to them.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

If two people.

If one person, it might be not about R/L, but "symmetry". If I understand right, there was a certain symmetry in their positioning. I arrange things symmetrically, but it doesn't mean, the same, it could also be "mirror image" like the ties in the opposite ways. Or perhaps even the position of Honey's shoes.

If anyone has such "symmetry preference", you'd see a person trying to make equal number of steps when getting up the stairs, or trying not to step on pavement cracks. It is possible that there were two killers, but two attract attention.

Oddly enough the mirror opposite made me think of ying and yang

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

They aren’t posed like the statues. KD has made a gigantic leap here.

I agree I do not think they are in the same positions. Maybe similar but not replicated.

But I know he knows way more than I do, so I keep an open mind.

A couple of other new tidbits for me was the bag over HS head. And the Night walker being the lookout and 2 others inside.

I often wondered from day one as more details of how they died came out, how 1 person might kill 2 people on their own, if a plastic bag was put over the head then the twist tie, the more you struggle the quicker the passing was my thought line. One could leave the room to search the home and return to at minimum unconscious victims ready to stage.

If the Night Walker was a lookout why plan they walk in view of cameras when the other two seem to have been undetected on video footage they have. A scapegoat? Does not sound like a smart detail in an otherwise well organized crime.

 

[WINDSOR]

Based on KB's theory, The NW was the lookout (from inside or outside the Sherman house?) and there were two killers in the Sherman house. These two had entered and left from the backyard of the Sherman property from and onto Forest Heights Blvd. Should there not have been video of these two individuals on Forest Heights Blvd, either before or after the murders?

The TPS has video of the NW on Old Colony Rd. Does the TPS have video of the other two supposed assailants on Forest Heights? I hope they do, as the TPS seem to have collected a lot of video in the community. Since the TPS has not shown the video from Forest Heights and asked for the public's help, that either means the TPS knows the identity of these two individuals, or they never got any video of them.

If the TPS were to have a press conference soon, this would be a good thing to disclose.
IMO

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

I agree I do not think they are in the same positions. Maybe similar but not replicated.

But I know he knows way more than I do, so I keep an open mind.

A couple of other new tidbits for me was the bag over HS head. And the Night walker being the lookout and 2 others inside.

I often wondered from day one as more details of how they died came out, how 1 person might kill 2 people on their own, if a plastic bag was put over the head then the twist tie, the more you struggle the quicker the passing was my thought line. One could leave the room to search the home and return to at minimum unconscious victims ready to stage.

If the Night Walker was a lookout why plan they walk in view of cameras when the other two seem to have been undetected on video footage they have. A scapegoat? Does not sound like a smart detail in an otherwise well organized crime.

That’s my understanding, but I’m not into crypto. This is why I’ve never thought of the photo as an attempt to craft an alibi: if I were trying to use a photo to prove I wasn’t at a crime scene, that photo would contain my face and be of an identifiable location and time, like someone’s wedding. It wouldn’t be of my hand hours earlier holding something I don’t want people to know. The photo isn’t an alibi. It’s just a normal, dumb thing to do. I have lots of photos of things I want to remember.

I’m told that this seed code should never be written down let alone photographed because anyone who gets it can empty the account.

I am no expert but seed records have time limits to use so possibly showing an expired and used seed record is not a concern.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

I am no expert but seed records have time limits to use so possibly showing an expired and used seed record is not a concern.

I agree I do not think they are in the same positions. Maybe similar but not replicated.

But I know he knows way more than I do, so I keep an open mind.

A couple of other new tidbits for me was the bag over HS head. And the Night walker being the lookout and 2 others inside.

I often wondered from day one as more details of how they died came out, how 1 person might kill 2 people on their own, if a plastic bag was put over the head then the twist tie, the more you struggle the quicker the passing was my thought line. One could leave the room to search the home and return to at minimum unconscious victims ready to stage.

If the Night Walker was a lookout why plan they walk in view of cameras when the other two seem to have been undetected on video footage they have. A scapegoat? Does not sound like a smart detail in an otherwise well organized crime.

The only thought I come up with if 3 were involved was the 2 inside doing the killings were hired help, the WM was the mastermind behind the plan and could be recognizable if not disguised . To plan this you had to be so angry or a narcissistic person who can only think of themselves.

 

[fadedglitter]

Based on KB's theory, The NW was the lookout (from inside or outside the Sherman house?) and there were two killers in the Sherman house. These two had entered and left from the backyard of the Sherman property from and onto Forest Heights Blvd. Should there not have been video of these two individuals on Forest Heights Blvd, either before or after the murders?

The TPS has video of the NW on Old Colony Rd. Does the TPS have video of the other two supposed assailants on Forest Heights? I hope they do, as the TPS seem to have collected a lot of video in the community. Since the TPS has not shown the video from Forest Heights and asked for the public's help, that either means the TPS knows the identity of these two individuals, or they never got any video of them.

If the TPS were to have a press conference soon, this would be a good thing to disclose.
IMO

KD has completely invented this secret, undetectable route to suit his preferred theory. If there is video of anyone else entering an area “tight to the Sherman residence” as the TPS would say, we don’t know about it. We only know of the NW and TPS has heavily implied nobody else on camera is suspicious in the same way.

There is zero evidence of anyone else on site, let alone TWO anyones. I’m more annoyed with KD than I’d like to be, but his latest offerings have been thin on facts and heavy on speculation.

I do believe KD when he says there is no video coverage between the back door and the house on the other side of the Shermans. But anyone coming or going from the other house would still be on video. Perhaps KD thinks the killers live in that home?

I was half expecting KD to say that the NW’s job was to get caught on camera and distract the police. But no, he imagines this person was a lookout with an undetectable two-way radio, communicating with TWO undetectable real killers inside the home who had lured Barry back to his own home at his normal time and convinced him to park where he always parked. There is no evidence of a lookout and it’s never been clear to me what benefit a lookout could possibly have added. It’s one more person who could strike a plea bargain with the cops. Utter foolishness.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

KD has completely invented this secret, undetectable route to suit his preferred theory. If there is video of anyone else entering an area “tight to the Sherman residence” as the TPS would say, we don’t know about it. We only know of the NW and TPS has heavily implied nobody else on camera is suspicious in the same way.

There is zero evidence of anyone else on site, let alone TWO anyones. I’m more annoyed with KD than I’d like to be, but his latest offerings have been thin on facts and heavy on speculation.

I do believe KD when he says there is no video coverage between the back door and the house on the other side of the Shermans. But anyone coming or going from the other house would still be on video. Perhaps KD thinks the killers live in that home?

I was half expecting KD to say that the NW’s job was to get caught on camera and distract the police. But no, he imagines this person was a lookout with an undetectable two-way radio, communicating with TWO undetectable real killers inside the home who had lured Barry back to his own home at his normal time and convinced him to park where he always parked. There is no evidence of a lookout and it’s never been clear to me what benefit a lookout could possibly have added. It’s one more person who could strike a plea bargain with the cops. Utter foolishness.

I think we have to realize that he has a ton of contacts and knows more than we think. He may have seen more video of the NW than the police are revealing. Also, if they all had walkie talkies or burner phones they could have easily communicated without a trace.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

They aren’t posed like the statues. KD has made a gigantic leap here.

Imagine when he first learned about how the bodies were positioned and recalled the photos of the two separate art installations in the basement.

The statues themselves are an unusual thing to see at a crime scene. Add to that the realization that both bodies were posed or staged, having some things in common with the statues that were close by.

Photos from original houzz.com listing.

The killers put some thought into positioning them. Maybe it was subconscious. They wanted to make the scene as frightening as possible and in the back of their minds were the statues that many found creepy.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

With the Shermans, I can't think of another unsolved North American murder case on WS where so many people, dare I say the consensus, believe the killer is foreign.

I think most here believe it was a family member.

 

[dotr]

Dec 16, 2024

Honey and Barry Memorial Arena Teams Up with Hockey Stars | UJA Federation of Greater Toronto

www.jewishtoronto.com

'Vaughan, ON – Today, the Honey and Barry Memorial Arena announced two exciting new partnerships with past and present hockey stars, building even more momentum in the community ahead of its anticipated July 2025 opening.'

''The Honey and Barry Memorial Arena is a legacy project in memory of community leaders and visionaries Honey and Barry Sherman z”l. “These partnerships will serve to elevate the arena’s reach to capture the imagination of our youth, and bring it down to a level that is reality,” said their son Jonathon. “When we set out on this ambitious project, I could only have dreamed of what it has become. I am now more confident than ever that the arena will stand as a lasting legacy to my late parents, and one they would be proud to see take shape.”

''The arena has been made possible by a transformational donation by Jonathon ensuring its construction, operations, and subsidy programs are fully funded.''

 

[WINDSOR]

KD has completely invented this secret, undetectable route to suit his preferred theory. If there is video of anyone else entering an area “tight to the Sherman residence” as the TPS would say, we don’t know about it. We only know of the NW and TPS has heavily implied nobody else on camera is suspicious in the same way.

There is zero evidence of anyone else on site, let alone TWO anyones. I’m more annoyed with KD than I’d like to be, but his latest offerings have been thin on facts and heavy on speculation.

I do believe KD when he says there is no video coverage between the back door and the house on the other side of the Shermans. But anyone coming or going from the other house would still be on video. Perhaps KD thinks the killers live in that home?

I was half expecting KD to say that the NW’s job was to get caught on camera and distract the police. But no, he imagines this person was a lookout with an undetectable two-way radio, communicating with TWO undetectable real killers inside the home who had lured Barry back to his own home at his normal time and convinced him to park where he always parked. There is no evidence of a lookout and it’s never been clear to me what benefit a lookout could possibly have added. It’s one more person who could strike a plea bargain with the cops. Utter foolishness.

One really cannot say there is zero evidence about "anyone else on the site" . The TPS has not disclosed all the evidence they have. We know there was at least one killer in the house, and it would not be unreasonable to think there was a second. So this theory may not necessarily be an invention on KD's part. In fact the evidence of how the belts were attached, implies one lefthanded and one righthanded assailant. There might be other evidence, such as two different size footprints on the floor/carpet, that would lead the TPS to believe there were two assailants inside the house.

The number of people inside is not so crucial as how did they arrive in the house, and how did they leave. If in fact they came through the yards of the house's on Forest Heights and into Sherman's backyard, then how did they arrive on Forest Heights. Did they walk, or did they drive and park, or were they dropped off and picked up?

Video of this area should have existed. There might have been some footprint impressions in the two backyards.
If we assume KD has the right connections, maybe he does know.

 

[newclues]

I think most here believe it was a family member.

Which family members received money directly or indirectly after BS's and HS's deaths? (MS who was HS's sister did not receive any money after HS's and BS's deaths.)

 

[fadedglitter]

Which family members received money directly or indirectly after BS's and HS's deaths? (MS who was HS's sister did not receive any money after HS's and BS's deaths.)

All four kids, on their 35th birthdays.

Barry Sherman’s will divided his estate among Barry and Honey’s four kids when they reach 35 years of age

Details of the slain billionaire’s will were included in a box of documents that has been sealed since shortly after Barry Sherman and his wife, Honey, were murdered. The Star’s bid to see the court file ended Friday with a ruling from Canada’s top court.

www.thestar.com