CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[MerlinFalcon]

All four kids, on their 35th birthdays.

Barry Sherman’s will divided his estate among Barry and Honey’s four kids when they reach 35 years of age

Details of the slain billionaire’s will were included in a box of documents that has been sealed since shortly after Barry Sherman and his wife, Honey, were murdered. The Star’s bid to see the court file ended Friday with a ruling from Canada’s top court.

www.thestar.com

Plus one kid and his business partner were told in no uncertain terms to give back tens of millions of dollars that Barry had lent them. They didn't before the deaths. Not sure if they gave any of that money to the estate afterward.

 

[fadedglitter]

Plus one kid and his business partner were told in no uncertain terms to give back tens of millions of dollars that Barry had lent them. They didn't before the deaths. Not sure if they gave any of that money to the estate afterward.

Jonathan told KD the money had been repaid:

As to the $125 million in interest-free loans his father had advanced his company over the years, Jonathon said he paid that money back to the Sherman estate from his first “dispersal” of funds from the estate. (The money is being released to the four children in stages, although much of the fortune is tied up in Apotex which remains for sale.) “Every dollar borrowed has been returned,” he says.

Barry Sherman’s son says his father asked him to repay tens of millions of dollars, two weeks before murders, but Barry was ‘all in’ with son’s business

“I’m not going to kill my dad because he needs $50 million,” Jonathon Sherman told the Star’s Kevin Donovan in an exclusive interview.

www.thestar.com

This would be one of the things the estate trustees would be responsible for overseeing: calling debts owed to the estate, and paying the estate’s bills, and then dispersing whatever remains according to the terms of the will. Jonathan is one of the trustees. The four trustees have a fiduciary responsibility to the beneficiaries.

 

[ldlager]

Which family members received money directly or indirectly after BS's and HS's deaths? (MS who was HS's sister did not receive any money after HS's and BS's deaths.)

Or which family members EXPECTED to receive money after BS's and HS's death? (MS is one).

 

[fadedglitter]

Or which family members EXPECTED to receive money after BS's and HS's death? (MS is one).

MS expected money before their deaths! She has never suggested she was in a will. Her comments about being promised money suggest that she knew it wasn’t in a will: there would be no need to say anything to the kids about it if she thought the money would be coming regardless.

There is a trust set up for the Sherman kids, MS’s kids, and Barry’s sister’s kids along with “any registered charity”; ugly litigation is underway. The trust is separate from the will and would have continued to exist even if the murders had not happened. Nobody is guaranteed money from this trust and the court documents Ann Brocklehurst has posted are about the trustees’ failure to provide information to the beneficiaries.

Family of murdered billionaire Barry Sherman split by lawsuit over money

In a lawsuit, Matthew and Rebecca Shechtman are taking legal action against their cousins, Sherman’s children, other family members and administrators of trust

nationalpost.com

Others may have hoped they were named in the will but to my knowledge nobody has ever claimed to be.

 

[ldlager]

MS expected money before their deaths! She has never suggested she was in a will. Her comments about being promised money suggest that she knew it wasn’t in a will: there would be no need to say anything to the kids about it if she thought the money would be coming regardless.

There is a trust set up for the Sherman kids, MS’s kids, and Barry’s sister’s kids along with “any registered charity”; ugly litigation is underway. The trust is separate from the will and would have continued to exist even if the murders had not happened. Nobody is guaranteed money from this trust and the court documents Ann Brocklehurst has posted are about the trustees’ failure to provide information to the beneficiaries.

Family of murdered billionaire Barry Sherman split by lawsuit over money

In a lawsuit, Matthew and Rebecca Shechtman are taking legal action against their cousins, Sherman’s children, other family members and administrators of trust

nationalpost.com

Others may have hoped they were named in the will but to my knowledge nobody has ever claimed to be.

 

[ldlager]

MS may have assumed or even been told by HS that she was in HS’ will. What she didn’t know was there was no HS will.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

If two people.

If one person, it might be not about R/L, but "symmetry". If I understand right, there was a certain symmetry in their positioning. I arrange things symmetrically, but it doesn't mean, the same, it could also be "mirror image" like the ties in the opposite ways. Or perhaps even the position of Honey's shoes.

If anyone has such "symmetry preference", you'd see a person trying to make equal number of steps when getting up the stairs, or trying not to step on pavement cracks. It is possible that there were two killers, but two attract attention.

Love this post it makes me really think.

If the staging was to look like m/s maybe the reverse tying or different tying was to look like BS tied his own knot?

Was the NW odd walking gait due to avoiding cracks in the sidewalk?

Your comments may help narrow down a personality trait in a POI.

 

[Charlot123]

Oddly enough the mirror opposite made me think of ying and yang

It is complicated. I guess the inner motive is "balancing." So if these are two people, sorry to talk about this horrible situation, I'd think about similar positions. However, if there are two belts, they'd be tied in the "opposite" directions. Also, if one is longer than the other, one loop vs three is made to make the "ends" appear symmetrical, but the ends should be looking the opposite ways.

Now, I had this trait as a kid, now there are only traces left. If I am buying something in a store, and there are two stacks of sweaters, I pick one from the right stack and that makes the whole structure unbalanced, so I would put it back and pick the one from the left and buy that one. This is why I thought that maybe they tried to put on Honey's shoes the normal way but couldn't, it was unbalanced and then they put them backwards (I wonder if Barry had any footwear on.)

What else you can see in them: well, you know that when you waltz, you change the movement not to feel dizzy. But in such a person, you'd see it in all dances, if a person twirls to the right, he has to untwirl it to the left. Or tapping fingers on the table, if you have done it on the right, you'd do it on the left. Small things, but they are noticeable to someone who has the same traits. OCD usually burns our with age, so such a person might have had more symptoms as a kid.

(The police would know if staging looked like "symmetry" or not.) I just think that one person with good knowledge of the routines would have managed with Holly. And after that, Barry would present no problem. ((

 

[Window21]

HS not having a will has always bothered me. I know we have talked about this at great lengths here on WS, but no lawyer in their right mind would let her be without a will.
I wonder if she had her will at home? Plus, was it the only copy? If so, then I wonder whom ever killed them knew where the will was and took it?
I am totally guessing (no evidence that we are aware of, of this)
I know in my family, my parents always had their will at home and we knew where it was kept. No lawyer had a copy, but we are not super rich either!!

 

[MerlinFalcon]

HS not having a will has always bothered me. I know we have talked about this at great lengths here on WS, but no lawyer in their right mind would let her be without a will.
I wonder if she had her will at home? Plus, was it the only copy? If so, then I wonder whom ever killed them knew where the will was and took it?
I am totally guessing (no evidence that we are aware of, of this)
I know in my family, my parents always had their will at home and we knew where it was kept. No lawyer had a copy, but we are not super rich either!!

My mom kept hers in her safety deposit box which was almost a problem. We were told that's not the way to do it but I forget the reason. She had another copy at her lawyers but she made it 30 years ago and he wasn't around anymore.

My friend recently passed and he made his will this summer and it was left at his lawyer's office. I would think that Honey, being in the last years of her life, would have done the same thing.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

A small detail, but in the latest article KD wrote that the deaths occurred between 8–9:30. In a previous article he wrote it was between 8–10, and the span was greater in articles that go further back. He is gradually tightening the timeline.

Also—he has seen the crime scene photos. I wonder if he has seen the security alarm report.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

A small detail, but in the latest article KD wrote that the deaths occurred between 8–9:30. In a previous article he wrote it was between 8–10, and the span was greater in articles that go further back. He is gradually tightening the timeline.

Also—he has seen the crime scene photos. I wonder if he has seen the security alarm report.

Things like this make me believe that he has wayyyyy more information than he's leaking and that's why he's coming up with these theories.

 

[dotr]

Also wondering how LE narrowed the time of deaths to between 8-9:30 pm, could there have been some type of house 'action' that gave it away, like water or electricity usage, or something specific to body changes? speculation.
Dec. 13, 2024 rbbm

Toronto police skipped ‘Homicide 101’ and never sought alibis from family and friends of murdered billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman

Investigative sources tell the Star the lack of alibis is likely why homicide detectives have been unable to clear any of the many “persons of interest” suspected of having a

www.thestar.com

''In a case with so many twists and turns, there’s another. The time of death. The bodies were discovered on a Friday, and for months police thought they were killed on the Thursday. About a year into the investigation, the Star learned that police had discovered the murders were actually on the Wednesday evening — 36 hours before they were discovered. The time of death is believed to be between 8 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. but police have never explained how they know this. ''

 

[fadedglitter]

A small detail, but in the latest article KD wrote that the deaths occurred between 8–9:30. In a previous article he wrote it was between 8–10, and the span was greater in articles that go further back. He is gradually tightening the timeline.

Also—he has seen the crime scene photos. I wonder if he has seen the security alarm report.

The latest podcasts strongly implied that he has copies of the photos now. He described them in far more detail, so at minimum he saw them again. This means he has gotten access to them at least twice: first when he saw and described them to a sketch artist, and then when he obtained copies.

Crime scene photos would only be available from a police source. That source is taking a gigantic professional risk leaking him the photos.

SPECULATION: It is definitely possible that the photos of the alarm system were in the same package of police images, but it seems to me that if KD had proof of the time the alarm system was deactivated he would have reported on it. This is redacted in the ITOs.

 

[fadedglitter]

Also wondering how LE narrowed the time of deaths to between 8-9:30 pm, could there have been some type of house 'action' that gave it away, like water or electricity usage, or something specific to body changes? speculation.
Dec. 13, 2024 rbbm

Toronto police skipped ‘Homicide 101’ and never sought alibis from family and friends of murdered billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman

Investigative sources tell the Star the lack of alibis is likely why homicide detectives have been unable to clear any of the many “persons of interest” suspected of having a

www.thestar.com

''In a case with so many twists and turns, there’s another. The time of death. The bodies were discovered on a Friday, and for months police thought they were killed on the Thursday. About a year into the investigation, the Star learned that police had discovered the murders were actually on the Wednesday evening — 36 hours before they were discovered. The time of death is believed to be between 8 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. but police have never explained how they know this. ''

KD is just repeating things that were already known. This is not new in 2024.

The Shermans’ time of arrival is known because they’re on camera driving through the neighbourhood. The missed call from DH at 9:01 is a clue that they were at minimum incapacitated at that time. The police have the WM on camera walking away from the house at a particular time. They also know what time the alarm system was deactivated (we don’t; it’s redacted in the ITOs).

 

[ldlager]

KD is just repeating things that were already known. This is not new in 2024.

The Shermans’ time of arrival is known because they’re on camera driving through the neighbourhood. The missed call from DH at 9:01 is a clue that they were at minimum incapacitated at that time. The police have the WM on camera walking away from the house at a particular time. They also know what time the alarm system was deactivated (we don’t; it’s redacted in the ITOs).

Do we know if the alarm system was even activated on the Wednesday, presumably when HS left for the meeting at Apotex? I don’t recall this but there is lots I don’t recall these days!

 

[fadedglitter]

Do we know if the alarm system was even activated on the Wednesday, presumably when HS left for the meeting at Apotex? I don’t recall this but there is lots I don’t recall these days!

The ITOs have redacted screenshots of the alarm system. Speculation: it was turned on at 11:01 pm, deactivated at 8:10am, activated at 4:34pm when Honey left for her meeting at Apotex, and deactivated later that evening either by the killer or by Honey when she returned.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

KD is just repeating things that were already known. This is not new in 2024.

The Shermans’ time of arrival is known because they’re on camera driving through the neighbourhood. The missed call from DH at 9:01 is a clue that they were at minimum incapacitated at that time. The police have the WM on camera walking away from the house at a particular time. They also know what time the alarm system was deactivated (we don’t; it’s redacted in the ITOs).

It is new in 2024. This is the first time I’ve noticed him report they died between 8–9:30. If you’ve noticed it in his previous reporting, could you please link it?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

The latest podcasts strongly implied that he has copies of the photos now. He described them in far more detail, so at minimum he saw them again. This means he has gotten access to them at least twice: first when he saw and described them to a sketch artist, and then when he obtained copies.

Crime scene photos would only be available from a police source. That source is taking a gigantic professional risk leaking him the photos.

SPECULATION: It is definitely possible that the photos of the alarm system were in the same package of police images, but it seems to me that if KD had proof of the time the alarm system was deactivated he would have reported on it. This is redacted in the ITOs.

He has said he saw the crime scene photos—at least some— and the Star has published a few of them. They may have given to him by a police source, someone connected to the Greenspan team or from the coroners office, imo.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

I think we have to realize that he has a ton of contacts and knows more than we think. He may have seen more video of the NW than the police are revealing. Also, if they all had walkie talkies or burner phones they could have easily communicated without a trace.

In todays technological world I do not think you can easily communicate without any trace.

Maybe KD can go looking for data to prove at the peak time of the murders let’s say 9pm for example, 5 cell phones would be pinging the cell tower at the same time.

Around the world listening devices are deployed to report earthquakes, tidal waves, gas leaks, gun shots, some neighbourhoods have devices to alert if noise above a certain decibel, you name it some type of data is being gathered.

Now add the fact that Canada has some of the strongest privacy laws protecting data.

No expert here, but I believe walkie-talkie use open air frequency, or possibly now a cloud instance, if someone in a certain radius had any devices using the same frequency, conversations, potentially could be over heard. Yes they could encrypt the conversation but you would still expect interference on that frequency and other devices, or indications some thing else was using that frequency. Cloud instance, you need wifi or cellular with data plan, again even if encryption of the audio a trail is left with the internet usage.

I think even if burner phones were used cell towers would receive the pings for a cell number or IEMI, if they texted telecoms could have every word. I recall LE wanted a free swoop of all cell #’S hitting a few towers in the area and it was denied by the courts as too invasive of anyone and every one’s privacy. In Canada for warrant approvals you must do it in reverse, have evidence of someone and you have their cell #, then the telecom may be permitted to share the data for that number only, that means they could still redact a lot of data that could be evidentiary.