CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[Charlot123]

Interesting, most times when Honey was not able to attend she would advise the group. This time she just did nothing.

On December 12., Honey was dealing with some stuff. It was a Tuesday, the first day of Hanukkah.
What kind of stuff was she dealing with? Not likely scheduled, like a doctors appointment, or a hair-dresser.

Did something come up unexpectedly that Honey felt she had to deal with right away? Sounds to me (I am only guessing) a family matter or something ominous.

Did she cancel or miss any other activities she had scheduled for the Tuesday? Were there any changes in the Old Colony Road house activities?

Did Honey have a warning, did she contact Barry to speak to him at work, about something peculiar?
Honey was murdered the next night, so what was occurring on Tuesday in her life could be very meaningful.
MOO

Did the Shermans habitually put a lot into Hanukkah decorations? People differ, some decorate a lot, some just put out a couple of things.
Now, it was Hanukkah but the house was also visited by different potential buyers. How would people manage these two things together?
I am thinking that the house sales could be a convenient moment by itself as the fact of sale could have been used as the bait by the potential killer. Cash, well above the asking price, etc..

 

[fadedglitter]

Wasn't JD married? Did this result in any divorce? Did someone in JD's family blame BS for bringing him/them over to Canada and having this happen? Was it a hurt family member or their relative as a potential possibility/probability ?

At the time of the murders, he was married to an Apotex employee.

Barry was JD’s protector. Unlikely anyone in JD’s family blamed Barry for anything. Barry had been very supportive to the family and to JD personally.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

KW said this was a text exchange between him & KD. From KW’s post: CANADA - Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #23 (Caution because of KW name-calling the victims).

I knew there was a new judge, but I overlooked the part about KD going against a new Crown attorney. I hope that brings a fresh set of eyes to the case.

 

[newclues]

Does anyone know around how much was the settlement for the divorce between AK and BK?
Does anyone know if BS and HS were aware of whether or not AK and BK were divorcing or not?

 

[ldlager]

Does anyone know around how much was the settlement for the divorce between AK and BK?
Does anyone know if BS and HS were aware of whether or not AK and BK were divorcing or not?

I was told the amount by someone who is in a position to know. I don’t want to disclose the amount I was told. Let’s just say the settlement amount would be termed “life changing” for almost anyone.

 

[fadedglitter]

I was told the amount by someone who is in a position to know. I don’t want to disclose the amount I was told. Let’s just say the settlement amount would be termed “life changing” for almost anyone.

This suggests that at the time AK received her first dispersal from the estate, she did not expect to divorce, and “co-mingled” the money into family assets.

Alternatively, perhaps she just wanted a quick settlement and it was just extra zeros.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Does anyone know around how much was the settlement for the divorce between AK and BK?
Does anyone know if BS and HS were aware of whether or not AK and BK were divorcing or not?

Here’s a quote from the transcript of KD’s podcast:

“Alexandra and Brad are divorced, but I'm told it's amicable, and Brad received a very generous settlement in the tens of millions of dollars. At the time of the murders, Kaelin was engaged to Jared Render, an electrician who got a job at Apotex after they began dating, and whom she called her shining knight. They married five months later, but Kaelin asked for a divorce within two months. Jared received about $100,000 in a settlement, and his postings on Facebook are blunt and angry. He says Kaelin treated him like garbage.”

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Alexandra had just given birth to their second child just before the murders and she and Brad were to be hosting Barry and Honey at their home, so I don’t think separation or divorce was on the horizon at that point, imo.

 

[al66pine]

Divorces?

Here’s a quote from the transcript of KD’s podcast:

“Alexandra and Brad are divorced, but I'm told it's amicable, and Brad received a very generous settlement in the tens of millions of dollars. At the time of the murders, Kaelin was engaged to Jared Render, an electrician who got a job at Apotex after they began dating, and whom she called her shining knight. They married five months later, but Kaelin asked for a divorce within two months. Jared received about $100,000 in a settlement, and his postings on Facebook are blunt and angry. He says Kaelin treated him like garbage.”

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Alexandra had just given birth to their second child just before the murders and she and Brad were to be hosting Barry and Honey at their home, so I don’t think separation or divorce was on the horizon at that point, imo.

@Lexiintoronto Thx for your post w link and quote. : )

So a divorce w a settlement w tens of millions of dollars is more amicable than
when the settlement is about $100,000.
Yeah, I imagine somebody might say that.

But seriously, brings to mind the adage - Marry in haste, repent at leisure.
May or may not apply here, IDK.

 

[WINDSOR]

The TPS has never revealed what sort of evidence, if any, they recovered at the Sherman residence. We sleuthers are operating in the dark, so to speak.

The often stated belief is that the criminals always leave something at the crime scene, and usually it is DNA evidence.

One could also assume that Barry as the 'smartest man in the room' was very familiar with DNA testing, and may have attempted to secure some DNA of his assailants. Pull a hair, scratch some skin, are examples how he could get some DNA, if he had a chance.

Let us for a minute say that the TPS has some DNA of one of the perpetrators. With today's state of the art DNA testing, they should be able to ascertain quite a bit about the ethnicity and background of the individual.

Of course the TPS has not disclosed if they have any DNA, or any evidence at all.

Maybe after seven years, with no apparent progress being made in solving this crime, the TPS might want to change from their secretive methods.

Many crimes have been solved by the assistance of the public when Law Enforcement shares information.

Even if the TPS stated 'we recovered zero evidence at the crime scene', it would be meaningful.

What the TPS has done so far, has not solved the crime.


'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. '
Albert Einstein.

 

[ldlager]

The TPS has never revealed what sort of evidence, if any, they recovered at the Sherman residence. We sleuthers are operating in the dark, so to speak.

The often stated belief is that the criminals always leave something at the crime scene, and usually it is DNA evidence.

One could also assume that Barry as the 'smartest man in the room' was very familiar with DNA testing, and may have attempted to secure some DNA of his assailants. Pull a hair, scratch some skin, are examples how he could get some DNA, if he had a chance.

Let us for a minute say that the TPS has some DNA of one of the perpetrators. With today's state of the art DNA testing, they should be able to ascertain quite a bit about the ethnicity and background of the individual.

Of course the TPS has not disclosed if they have any DNA, or any evidence at all.

Maybe after seven years, with no apparent progress being made in solving this crime, the TPS might want to change from their secretive methods.

Many crimes have been solved by the assistance of the public when Law Enforcement shares information.

Even if the TPS stated 'we recovered zero evidence at the crime scene', it would be meaningful.

What the TPS has done so far, has not solved the crime.


'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. '
Albert Einstein.

Thanks Windsor. I may be imagining this, but did KD write at one point that he understood or had been told that TPS had not found any evidence at the crime scene?
It’s been so long in this case that my memory goes fuzzy, so I agree with you that new methods by TPS like asking the public for help sure couldn’t hurt.

 

[fadedglitter]

What Yim has said:

I have reviewed several reports from the Centre of Forensic Sciences completed, by various scientists, with respect to their various disciplines. I have summarized their reports as follows but having reviewed these reports it is my overall belief that the forensic science results do not point the investigation towards any specific identified suspect.

What KD has written:

In their search warrant documents, police have said that nothing forensically learned at the crime scene has helped them with the investigation.

 

[FromGermany1]

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[fadedglitter]

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Was there something specific in here you wanted to discuss?

 

[dotr]

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Handy link, wondering if AK has a relationship with J's kids now?

''Starting point is 00:22:57 Jonathan disinvited Alexander to the baby shower for the two children he and Fred were expecting through surrogacy. As painful as this is for me to say, I would like to respectfully request that you please do not attend the baby shower.

Alexandra wrote to lawyer Brian Greenspan, who at the time was representing the Sherman family. She didn't like that Jonathan was still pushing for the hockey rink. From Alexandra Sherman to Brian Greenspan.

Starting point is 00:23:27 There are many parallels here. John was used to bullying my dad into giving him money. My dad would often ask John to take out financing for his green storage buildings, but John would refuse and kick and scream until my dad gave in. I have been avoiding John since December 2018, when he and Adam Paulin made it very obvious

Starting point is 00:23:48that they are money-hungry monsters. Today, Alexandra is in control of the Sherman Philanthropy.''

 

[WINDSOR]

What Yim has said:

I have reviewed several reports from the Centre of Forensic Sciences completed, by various scientists, with respect to their various disciplines. I have summarized their reports as follows but having reviewed these reports it is my overall belief that the forensic science results do not point the investigation towards any specific identified suspect.

What KD has written:

In their search warrant documents, police have said that nothing forensically learned at the crime scene has helped them with the investigation.

These statements imply nothing of forensic value was found in the house. To me, that points to one thing, the killers were really good at not leaving any evidence, leading me to believe they were highly trained, possibly ex-military intelligence or espionage service.

With the lack of forensic evidence, would a conviction even be possible? IMO highly doubtful.

It might explain why the TPS appears to be keeping this case quiet, as they know there is little or no hope.

MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

The statement is outright that the forensic science results do not point the investigation towards any specific identified suspect.

This is in line with what TPS has said in other ways and places: they have no identified suspects.

 

[ldlager]

These statements imply nothing of forensic value was found in the house. To me, that points to one thing, the killers were really good at not leaving any evidence, leading me to believe they were highly trained, possibly ex-military intelligence or espionage service.

With the lack of forensic evidence, would a conviction even be possible? IMO highly doubtful.

It might explain why the TPS appears to be keeping this case quiet, as they know there is little or no hope.

MOO

It’s either that, or the TPS did not complete a thorough enough or competent forensic investigation that could have yielded forensic evidence. Greenspan said as much when he held his press conference and claimed the PI’s had found a number forensic samples and clues that LE missed.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

What Yim has said:

I have reviewed several reports from the Centre of Forensic Sciences completed, by various scientists, with respect to their various disciplines. I have summarized their reports as follows but having reviewed these reports it is my overall belief that the forensic science results do not point the investigation towards any specific identified suspect.

What KD has written:

In their search warrant documents, police have said that nothing forensically learned at the crime scene has helped them with the investigation.

Those are great quotes. Here’s another similar one from an interview of KD:

“08:56
Donovan: Well I mean, one hopes it, that it will be solved. This is not a case where there is anything forensically at the scene, as it's not one of these DNA cases where they're gonna discover something, as far as I know.”

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CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #19'

Dec 15, 2022

Gormley Show segments, Thur. Dec. 15, 2022
Saskatoon / 650 CKOM
Brody Hamilton

Dec 15, 2022 | 7:58 AM​

8:30 – Today marks the 5-year anniversary of the mysterious death of Barry and Honey Sherman. Kevin Donovan, Chief Investigative Reporter for the Toronto Star has been covering the story from the very beginning and joins Gormley to give us the latest on the story.
LIVE: Kevin Donovan, Chief Investigative Reporter at Toronto Star and author of The Billionaire Murders: The Mysterious Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman
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You kind of have to...

• deugirtni

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What the police initially said about their investigation within the home:

“-To date, close to 150 bulk or packaged items have been seized and are currently being reviewed and forensically analyzed.

-A total of 127 witness statements have been compiled; this number continues to grow each day.

-Neighbourhood canvases have occurred in the area surrounding the Sherman residence. This includes the collection of 4TB of security video from both commercial and residential property. There are approximately 500 hours in each of these TB.

-And finally, 348 investigative actions have been assigned and are being vigorously pursued.”

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I’m going back to January, 2018. This is the major press conference where police officially announced the cause and manner of deaths.

*My transcript. Please watch the video for the official statement and questions & answers that followed.

Homicide Det.-Sgt. Susan Gomes, TPS Press Conference, Friday, January 26th, 2018:
-At 11:44 am on Friday December the 15th, 2017, we responded to a 9-1-1 call to 50 Old Colony Road. Officers attended the address and located Barry Sherman and Honey Sherman, deceased.

-Post-mortem examinations were conducted at the Province's...

• Lexiintoronto

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Honey’s assistant would occasionally top up the pool, as it was losing water. So, her DNA may have been found on the hose in the pool room. They might expect to find it there. But what if it had been used by the killer(s) and wiped clean?

I’ve wondered if the absence of fingerprints or DNA on phones, handles or doors etc., where you’d expect to find some, may have yielded clues to the presence of a killer or killers who wiped down what they may have handled. It may have shown their actions within the home. (Speculation.)

 

[fadedglitter]

Not to get too nerdy, but the presence or absence of DNA etc is evidence. It could be used by either the prosecution or the defense.

KD’s writings on this are misleading. There was a lot of forensic evidence at the scene, but it didn’t point to a particular identified suspect. This isn’t a case where the killer left his fingerprints in his own blood that could then be compared to known samples. The scientific findings are mostly redacted in the ITOs we have so far. We may know more in the coming weeks if the TPS agrees to unseal more of those documents.

 

[FromGermany1]

Was there something specific in here you wanted to discuss?

Not at the moment. I found it interesting, although most of the content is known to us/me.