CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[Bobbi Pearl]

June 11, 2025

Toronto police turn to AI tool to investigate the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman

The Toronto police have turned to an off-the-shelf program with AI capabilities to try and solve the double murder of billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman.

www.thestar.com

''More than seven years into the investigation, with dozens of people still considered “persons of interest,” the lone detective working the case says he got the idea last month after attending a seminar at police headquarters by the Toronto police intelligence unit.
While artificial intelligence is routinely used these days by police investigators in some jurisdictions, this is the first time it has been applied as an investigative tool in the Sherman case. ''

I cannot read the article but happy to hear they are not giving up and leaving the files to go even colder.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

This is infuriating! It seems like they're only doing the bare minimum so they can keep the records sealed. It is clear to me that TPS has no interest in solving this. The question is why?? And why isn't the Sherman family raising h*ll about it? I firmly believe this would have been completely swept under the rug if it weren't for Kevin Donovan.

 

[dotr]

Updated 1 hr ago
June 11, 2025

Toronto police turn to AI tool to investigate the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman

The Toronto police have turned to an off-the-shelf program with AI capabilities to try and solve the double murder of billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman.

www.thestar.com

 

[Kerry Winter]

June 11, 2025

Toronto police turn to AI tool to investigate the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman

The Toronto police have turned to an off-the-shelf program with AI capabilities to try and solve the double murder of billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman.

www.thestar.com

''More than seven years into the investigation, with dozens of people still considered “persons of interest,” the lone detective working the case says he got the idea last month after attending a seminar at police headquarters by the Toronto police intelligence unit.
While artificial intelligence is routinely used these days by police investigators in some jurisdictions, this is the first time it has been applied as an investigative tool in the Sherman case. ''

Look….Donovan hasn’t finished milking the Sherman cow….book….doc…..and, more hogwash. Give it a rest Kevin!

 

[fadedglitter]

I want to be fair to Donovan: this isn’t “milking the cow” like some of his other activities. He had a scheduled court appearance to ask Yim about the investigation and seek the removal of some of the redactions. He can’t really be faulted when the appearance produces so little new information. He had no idea he’d spend days prepping, only to learn almost nothing of value. The coverage is brief and that seems appropriate.

If he suddenly comes out with another feature-length essay speculating wildly about his imagined perpetrator, *then* I’ll be super annoyed with him again.

 

[ldlager]

Look….Donovan hasn’t finished milking the Sherman cow….book….doc…..and, more hogwash. Give it a rest Kevin!

But if KD didn’t report it, the public wouldn’t know that not one POi has been cleared by police yet, and all of these individuals are still remain under investigation.
Now I get it…..

 

[Calcano]

Never understood why people (not on websleuths specifically, just in general) are bothered by Kevin Donovan covering this case or even speculating on it himself. What should be the appropriate amount of coverage for the most significant unsolved murder case in Canadian history?

Frankly, there should be 20 more Kevin Donovan's pressing the Toronto Police Service.

A somewhat wealthy healthcare insurance CEO is murdered in the U.S. and it's all hands on deck until a resolution. Here in Canada? Two of the wealthiest citizens in the entire country are murdered and staged in their own home and all the police have done is bumble around during the critical hours of the investigation and assign service members who have never once shown they can handle a case of this magnitude. I can't even get through detective Yim's writing without developing a headache from all the errors.

If I didn't know better, I'd assume the Toronto police would actually rather not solve this or ever bother with it again if they had it their way.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Look….Donovan hasn’t finished milking the Sherman cow….book….doc…..and, more hogwash. Give it a rest Kevin!

On the contrary, he is really the only one who is still interested in this story. He is writing about other things and doing podcasts on other subjects but I’m glad he’s still interested.

 

[wibbleflea]

I cannot read the article

Slightly off-topic but here in the UK, I realised a year or two ago that my subscription to Apple News+ covers the Toronto Star. Anyone who's a subscriber to that service gets to read the Star articles on this case.

 

[ldlager]

I was thinking about Det Yim’s testimony that none of the POIs have yet been cleared. It seems to me it would be relatively easy for LE to clear someone from having personally committing these murders if these individuals had an airtight and verified alibi for their whereabouts at the time of the murders.
So I have to conclude that LE is operating under the belief that the murders were not committed by a POi, but more likely were committed by a person or persons that were hired by or associated with a POI. It appears the “hired killer” angle is the direction their investigation has taken them.

 

[fadedglitter]

TPS has pretty consistently said that they have not cleared anyone, and that even a person with an alibi could be involved in other ways. This isn’t new.

From Price’s news conference where he released the night walker video:

“The fact is that nobody can be 100% excluded because there's always a possibility, and we'll keep an open mind, too, that there's more than the one individual who executes the action that may be culpable. So we're certainly keeping an open mind to that.”

 

[WINDSOR]

Initially the TPS reported they had a theory regarding the homicide. After years of investigation they have not cleared anybody. Does that mean the trainer and cook are still persons of interest?

Is the TPS's original theory still valid? Why has nobody been cleared. For example Jack Kay was in New York at the time of the murder of his best friend. Does the TPS still consider Jack Kay a POI?

Initially I thought the TPS was doing a thorough and intensive investigation. Looking back one could say nothing has been accomplished. Is the TPS 'slow-walking' the whole investigation? Why?

From an investigative point of view, this should have been an easy case for the TPS. They knew who the victims were, where they died, how they died and when they died. There are only a limited number of suspects, and only a limited number of individuals who would have benefited from the Sherman's deaths.

If it were not for KD and the Toronto Star, we would know very little. Remember the TPS fought Donavan all the way to the Supreme Court.

$35 million reward, and no good leads for the TPS?

IMO the TPS should state either of the following.
"This case has us baffled, and we have no idea what happened"
or
"We know what happened, and who did it, but are waiting for the correct time to lay charges."

If LE cannot solve this case, maybe it is time for a Commission of Enquiry into the whole case, including the actions and activities of the TPS.

 

[fadedglitter]

Small clarification, not to diminish your main point:

TPS did not fight Donovan to the Supreme Court. That case was about access to the estate files; it was the family that took the matter to the SCC.

 

[WINDSOR]

Small clarification, not to diminish your main point:

TPS did not fight Donovan to the Supreme Court. That case was about access to the estate files; it was the family that took the matter to the SCC.

Thanks Fadeglitter, you are absolutely right about the Supreme Court. The court cases regarding release of information, between the TPS and Donavan, took place in Ontario Court of Justice.

 

[dotr]

June 18, 2025

St. Michael’s Hospital opens Indigenous wellness centre, bolstered by donation from daughter of Honey and Barry Sherman

Indigenous Wellness Centre will offer culturally safe methods of care and traditional treatments. It’s backed by daughter of Barry and Honey Sherman.

www.thestar.com

''St. Michael’s Hospital marked the opening of its new Indigenous health centre on Wednesday, made possible by a “transformative donation” by the daughter of the late Honey and Barry Sherman.
The new Indigenous Wellness Centre, found on the first floor of the hospital’s Donnelly Wing, will aim to reduce health-care barriers faced by First Nation, Inuit and Métis patients and their families by melding access to traditional treatments and culturally grounded care with western medicine practices.''

 

[Ssschu]

June 18, 2025

St. Michael’s Hospital opens Indigenous wellness centre, bolstered by donation from daughter of Honey and Barry Sherman

Indigenous Wellness Centre will offer culturally safe methods of care and traditional treatments. It’s backed by daughter of Barry and Honey Sherman.

www.thestar.com

''St. Michael’s Hospital marked the opening of its new Indigenous health centre on Wednesday, made possible by a “transformative donation” by the daughter of the late Honey and Barry Sherman.
The new Indigenous Wellness Centre, found on the first floor of the hospital’s Donnelly Wing, will aim to reduce health-care barriers faced by First Nation, Inuit and Métis patients and their families by melding access to traditional treatments and culturally grounded care with western medicine practices.''

Good for her! She's truly carrying on her parent's legacy instead of using the inheritance to build a hockey rink that Barry had said NO to prior to his death.

 

[WINDSOR]

Let say for a minute that Barry and Honey were not killed that evening. Some how they chased the killer(s) away. How would things be different in the aftermath?

Barry would have maintained control of Apotex.
The kids would not have received the money windfall.
Frank d'Angelo would likely still have Barry funding him.
Honey would still do her charity work.
All the personal staff employed by the Sherman's would still be working.
The new house in Forest Hills would be built.

Can we assume therefore that F d'A and the charities and many others did not have a motive.

Who did benefit by the deaths? People who wanted money and/or people who hated the Sherman's

The people who hated the Sherman's enough to kill them is a pretty short list. You cannot include anti-Semites and the like, because they did not claim responsibility or get any publicity. You probably cannot include those who were either lost money or owed money to the Sherman's as the deaths would not change anything in the financial status. We also know that these business issues did not result in a great windfall for any corporate entity.

For the haters I would specifically look for someone who knew the Sherman's fairly well, has had some personal emotional difficulties in the past, and possibly has had some business failures or setbacks. They might see themselves as 'not quite measuring up' to Barry's standards.

It becomes a pretty short list of POI's in my opinion.

 

[fadedglitter]

FDA had been cut off just before the murders. Had Barry lived a few more years he might have resumed funding FDA’s newer business ideas but that’s speculation. I don’t think FDA’s financial situation changed significantly when Barry died.

 

[FromGermany1]

Let say for a minute that Barry and Honey were not killed that evening. Some how they chased the killer(s) away. How would things be different in the aftermath?

Barry would have maintained control of Apotex.
The kids would not have received the money windfall.
Frank d'Angelo would likely still have Barry funding him.
Honey would still do her charity work.
All the personal staff employed by the Sherman's would still be working.
The new house in Forest Hills would be built.

Can we assume therefore that F d'A and the charities and many others did not have a motive.

Who did benefit by the deaths? People who wanted money and/or people who hated the Sherman's

The people who hated the Sherman's enough to kill them is a pretty short list. You cannot include anti-Semites and the like, because they did not claim responsibility or get any publicity. You probably cannot include those who were either lost money or owed money to the Sherman's as the deaths would not change anything in the financial status. We also know that these business issues did not result in a great windfall for any corporate entity.

For the haters I would specifically look for someone who knew the Sherman's fairly well, has had some personal emotional difficulties in the past, and possibly has had some business failures or setbacks. They might see themselves as 'not quite measuring up' to Barry's standards.

It becomes a pretty short list of POI's in my opinion.

Who thought, the natural end of life for both Shermans wasn't close enough, even though they were 70/75 years old? Who risked spending the rest of their own life in prison as a convicted murderer just to kill old people, who would have died on their own in the foreseeable future?

 

[Kerry Winter]

Let say for a minute that Barry and Honey were not killed that evening. Some how they chased the killer(s) away. How would things be different in the aftermath?

Barry would have maintained control of Apotex.
The kids would not have received the money windfall.
Frank d'Angelo would likely still have Barry funding him.
Honey would still do her charity work.
All the personal staff employed by the Sherman's would still be working.
The new house in Forest Hills would be built.

Can we assume therefore that F d'A and the charities and many others did not have a motive.

Who did benefit by the deaths? People who wanted money and/or people who hated the Sherman's

The people who hated the Sherman's enough to kill them is a pretty short list. You cannot include anti-Semites and the like, because they did not claim responsibility or get any publicity. You probably cannot include those who were either lost money or owed money to the Sherman's as the deaths would not change anything in the financial status. We also know that these business issues did not result in a great windfall for any corporate entity.

For the haters I would specifically look for someone who knew the Sherman's fairly well, has had some personal emotional difficulties in the past, and possibly has had some business failures or setbacks. They might see themselves as 'not quite measuring up' to Barry's standards.

It becomes a pretty short list of POI's in my opinion.

Oh….please Windsor, tell us who’s on your short “person of interest” list!!!