CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

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You have to read between the lines as to whether the TPS and KD are on the same page. I'm sure KD thinks they are as he alludes to this but dont know they are on the same page.
I haven't followed him at all - did he update his analysis of the case based on the WM info?

I think police had WM video from long before they even announced it was a targetted double homicide. IMO that sort of leaves KD with having rushed a book into print. Especially him declaring police incompetence, while all the time police did have this suspect and were focussed on trying to discover who WM was ie that's why Yim was poring over terabytes of data from phones, cell towers and CCTV footage.

JMO
 
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All I know is that if it wasn't for KD I wouldn't be interested in this case.
Yes, makes perfect sense. But friends/family of the Shermans, and police who are tasked with solving the crime, don't need KD to make or keep them interested. And, unlike KD, they're not in the business of satisfying public curiosity.

JMO
 
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I haven't followed him at all - did he update his analysis of the case based on the WM info?

I think police had WM video from long before they even announced it was a targetted double homicide. IMO that sort of leaves KD with having rushed a book into print. Especially him declaring police incompetence, while all the time police did have this suspect and were focussed on trying to discover who WM was ie that's why Yim was poring over terabytes of data from phones, cell towers and CCTV footage.

JMO
KD’s first reaction was to claim the WM had nothing to do with the case. Some guy out for a walk. When it became clear the person was involved, he invented the “lookout” theory and has steadfastly stood by it. Recently he has been claiming, of course without evidence, that the police believe the person is maybe a lookout.

The police had the videos from the neighbourhood in the first few days after the murders, but it took a few months for them to go through the many thousands of hours of videos and realize the walking man was significant. They have many videos, not just the short clip from a mile away. He is captured on neighbours’ cameras moving through the neighbourhood, approaching the Sherman home, and then walking away after a very suspicious amount of time that aligns with the time the police believe the murders took place.

The police then embarked on an extensive effort to use cell phone signals to identify who he was. He wasn’t using a phone registered to any Sherman associates. Police then tried to figure out if he was using a phone that contacted a Sherman associate. This also was a bust. They weren’t able to track any phones travelling with or following the Shermans, either. This was all unsealed years ago when the investigation moved on to other things.
 
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Aha, found the information about when the police were sure the walking man was significant: August 20, 2018.

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And here’s Donovan immediately after the video was released:

“I have a hunch that within a couple of days, they’re going to figure out who this person was and it’s not going to be the murderer, but I could be wrong.” Omicron - knowns & unknowns; "Dilemmas of Free Expression"; Alcohol in convenience stores?; Latest on the Sherman murders (December 15, 2021)

A week later he realized that wasn’t correct, the police had flat-out called the person a suspect and had been investigating for years without tipping their hand:

“The police have, through a court process I've been involved in on behalf of The Star, released a bunch of documents to me over the last week. And I noticed that, and here's the quite interesting thing, police have been on to this person since almost day one.

They didn't tell the public, they didn't ask the public for assistance until last week. But they had this person in their sights as a suspect from pretty close to day one.”


The Night Walker: Kevin Donovan on the suspect in the Sherman murders (December 20, 2021)

The whole “lookout” business came later.
 
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Just been watching the Pat Brown podcast which is about three years old now. Her prime person of interest is KW. She raises some interesting points that has also has led me to a couple of questions which i think are interesting questions about the case.

Now KW has stated he thinks it's a murder suicide. KW is the only family member to believe this as stated by PB.

However, PB lays out perfectly reasonable motive and modus operandi in relation to KW being a person of interest at the top of her list. Im not oing to go through each point by her on here but her podcast gives a full multi point explanation which i feel is perfectly credible.

People will argue that to point the finger at KW is too perfect, too obvious, including KD, however bear with me on this.

What i dont understand is this. If JS is the perpetrator as some believe. Why does JS not point at the finger specifically at KW who had motive and does not have a rock solid alibi. We know KW has the motive. We know the murders were personal. Theres strong evidence this was personal in modus operandi (see pat brown podcast)

So, If i was JS and i was the perpetrator and lets say KW had nothing to do with it, then i would want to divert attention to an obviuous person of interest such as KW and focus on that one person. But JS does not do that?

in fact,, JS mentions different people as possible persons of interest including JK but he doesn't focus on KW.

If as KD claims murders were committed in the perfect storm and the perfect storm alludes to the court case with KW weeks before the murder amongst other things, then why doesn't JS if he was the perpetrator point the finger at KW which would be the logical thing to do?

So, logically I would suggest JS was not the perpetrator and therefore does not know who it is and thus had voiced his opinions as an honest innocent person.

KW took a lie detector test and failed but not on the question "Did you kill Barry and Honey Sherman?" No. He failed on the question asked "if he was ever asked by barry to hire someone to kill honey".

This is interesting because if KW was the perpetrator then he took a chance on passing the test on a question that would not convict him of the murders of honey and barry sherman.

This is significant because it means he now will refuse to answer the question we all want him to answer due to the fact that he will claim it (the lie detector test) got it wrong last time so why should I put myself through another lie detector test for it to accuse him of lying again.

Now maybe KW can prove me wrong and take another lie detector test.

Now I know people are now going to say that the walking man is the wrong height in comparison to KW. So, I would like to know how accurate the methods are when used to identify the height of the walking man and compare to the height of KW. Maybe there are experts out there who would question that the methods used by TPS in this regards are suspect?

For me KW is the right build and similar height to the walking man. The kicking up of the foot could simply be due to walking through the snow.

As PB states in her podcast. The walking man was seen in the vicinity if the shermman house around the time of 5he murders. The walking man did not park a car up but walked on foot because if this person is local then they want to avoid number plate recognition wheras a hitman would use false plates etc.

The walking man fits in with KW profile.

Sometimes the simplest explanations are the answer. Following the money might have clouded the answer to these murders. It's a possibility 5he answer to this case is the most simplest most obvious.

One perpetrator who walked to the house. Committed the crime without use of mobile phone based on a hunch both barry and honey would be home in the evening. There was no perfect storm. Just an inkling of an opportunity of when they ( the shermansb) arrived home which worked out well for the petpetrator, not rocket science for them.

It wasn't complicated.

Then they had a bit of luck. The police believed the crime scene was murder suicide initially.
JS did advise police of people he thought could have been involved in the murders, or could have wished harm to his parents. IIRC we don’t know who he identified. He may well have named KW
 

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