CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[dotr]

2018 rbbm

Sherman family investigators hand over earring and other evidence collected at murdered billionaires’ home to Toronto police

The handover comes several weeks after police warned the Sherman family’s lawyer they would seek a judicial warrant if potential evidence was not immediately handed over, sources close to the case have told the Star.

www.thestar.com

'An earring discovered in the driveway has also being turned over by the private team.''

''During their initial search, private detectives were also directed by a television crew to a spot where the crew had seen an earring lodged in the gutter at the end of the driveway. The private team put that in an evidence bag too.
This was all back in January — the question for the private team was what to do with what they found.''

''At the meeting, the private team, led by former Toronto homicide detective Tom Klatt, told the police about other items they had, including the vacuum bag and the earring.''

https://macleans.ca/news/who-killed-barry-and-honey-sherman-a-new-book-offers-fascinating-insights/

2019
'Then there is the issue of what he refers to as evidence—how does he get that to the police? Brian Greenspan obtained information that the crime scene was not, in their opinion, properly vacuumed so they found evidence—jewelry found in the driveway that’s wasn’t Honey’s.'
ETA
Had previously speculated that maybe the earring (a copy of HS' earring? speculation) was accidentally dropped by the cast/crew, imo, fwiw

Sherman lookalikes 'eerie' as camera crews roll into neighbourhood

Although strange things happening at the Sherman mansion are expected, this had people doing double takes.

torontosun.com

Actor Peter Softly portrays Barry Sherman for an upcoming news program. Photo by Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun

''Not only did he look like the Apotex founder but he was trying to emulate him — even wearing a wig.
“I am doing a movie,” explained the driver.
If it already didn’t seem bizarre, behind him in a gold-coloured Lexus RX SUV was a woman playing the part of Honey Sherman.
For a few hours, it had the look that the Shermans were alive and back on Old Colony Rd.''

 

[fadedglitter]

Police didn’t find it. A reporter did

Right. I was responding to the person who suggested otherwise. My point was that the earring’s discovery came after the police news conference and could not have influenced it, as that person was suggesting.

 

[tarabull]

Respectfully. I do not think the idea of "international assassin is such a fanciful idea it seems utterly implausible to me"
is fanciful. One only has to study the activities of the Russian Spy services and their activities in the United Kingdom and Israeli hits against the Irian nuclear scientists, to know the reality.

I know it is a movie, but Steven Spielberg's film Munich (2005) gives great insight into this world.

^ The implausible theory is hitting closer for me these days ~ in this world.

TY for your post @WINDSOR

Edit: spelling

 

[FromGermany1]

If the police had found and collected it as evidence that then affected the course of the investigation, it would not be lying in the gutter. It would be in the evidence room or crime lab.

In actual fact - yes, you are right.

 

[FromGermany1]

2018 rbbm

Sherman family investigators hand over earring and other evidence collected at murdered billionaires’ home to Toronto police

The handover comes several weeks after police warned the Sherman family’s lawyer they would seek a judicial warrant if potential evidence was not immediately handed over, sources close to the case have told the Star.

www.thestar.com

'An earring discovered in the driveway has also being turned over by the private team.''

''During their initial search, private detectives were also directed by a television crew to a spot where the crew had seen an earring lodged in the gutter at the end of the driveway. The private team put that in an evidence bag too.
This was all back in January — the question for the private team was what to do with what they found.''

''At the meeting, the private team, led by former Toronto homicide detective Tom Klatt, told the police about other items they had, including the vacuum bag and the earring.''

https://macleans.ca/news/who-killed-barry-and-honey-sherman-a-new-book-offers-fascinating-insights/

2019
'Then there is the issue of what he refers to as evidence—how does he get that to the police? Brian Greenspan obtained information that the crime scene was not, in their opinion, properly vacuumed so they found evidence—jewelry found in the driveway that’s wasn’t Honey’s.'
ETA
Had previously speculated that maybe the earring (a copy of HS' earring? speculation) was accidentally dropped by the cast/crew, imo, fwiw

Sherman lookalikes 'eerie' as camera crews roll into neighbourhood

Although strange things happening at the Sherman mansion are expected, this had people doing double takes.

torontosun.com

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Actor Peter Softly portrays Barry Sherman for an upcoming news program. Photo by Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun

''Not only did he look like the Apotex founder but he was trying to emulate him — even wearing a wig.
“I am doing a movie,” explained the driver.
If it already didn’t seem bizarre, behind him in a gold-coloured Lexus RX SUV was a woman playing the part of Honey Sherman.
For a few hours, it had the look that the Shermans were alive and back on Old Colony Rd.''

With a camera crew capturing it all, the lookalikes were driving up and down the street and turning into the driveway of a house next door. It was certainly eye catching.

“It’s unusual,” said one neighbour who — in the past — had seen the real Honey and Barry Sherman behave just like the actors.

Turning into the driveway of a house next door??? Behaving just like the Shermans???
Why did the Shermans do that and is it the house, were the 2 cars with 4 unknown men were videotaped??

 

[FromGermany1]

IF the female actor didn't wear pearl earrings for her acting scenes, because Honey didn't wear pearl earrings on her last day, why should this jewelry have been accidentally dropped by the filming crew??

Do we have knowledge about Honey's look at the Apotex (architects) meeting?

 

[ldlager]

With a camera crew capturing it all, the lookalikes were driving up and down the street and turning into the driveway of a house next door. It was certainly eye catching.

“It’s unusual,” said one neighbour who — in the past — had seen the real Honey and Barry Sherman behave just like the actors.

Turning into the driveway of a house next door??? Behaving just like the Shermans???
Why did the Shermans do that and is it the house, were the 2 cars with 4 unknown men were videotaped??

I think they meant the actors generally behaved like and or looked like the Sherman’s- mannerisms etc. I don’t think they were referring to the Sherman’s actually driving into the neighbours driveway. I assume in filming they couldn’t pull into the Sherman’s real driveway, maybe it was still blocked off or maybe the house was gone by then

 

[dotr]

Updated 5 mins ago By Kevin Donovan
Dec. 15, 2025

Toronto police turned to AI in Sherman murder case. So I did too

I was skeptical, but curious if AI could tell me something that I had not already learned from endless days and nights perusing documents. Here’s what I found.

www.thestar.com

''That mysterious “walking man” the police say is their prime suspect? The one acting in a “suspicious” manner near the Sherman house on Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2017, the night of the murders? Gemini told me that after analyzing those 4,000 pages, it could definitively state that the “walking man” was caught on camera close to the Sherman house between 5:35 p.m. and 7:57 p.m. the night of the murders''.

''Intrigued, I asked Gemini to show me the specific page references where those times for the “walking man” were noted by police. Gemini looked again. In a series of chatty responses, Gemini apologized and said the 7:57 p.m. time was not there. But, Gemini said, the 5:35 p.m. time was there. I pressed Gemini. It looked again and told me this:
“My prior response was a hallucination, and I deeply regret the error,” Gemini said in its chat. “Thank you for your continued patience and diligence in pointing out my mistakes.”

''Out of curiosity, I asked Gemini, based on the documents, who did it? Who killed the Shermans?
Gemini said it did not have enough information to name names, but pointed to a “financial motive.”

 

[fadedglitter]

AI: just a confident robot liar.

 

[fadedglitter]

Updated 5 mins ago By Kevin Donovan
Dec. 15, 2025

Toronto police turned to AI in Sherman murder case. So I did too

I was skeptical, but curious if AI could tell me something that I had not already learned from endless days and nights perusing documents. Here’s what I found.

www.thestar.com

''That mysterious “walking man” the police say is their prime suspect? The one acting in a “suspicious” manner near the Sherman house on Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2017, the night of the murders? Gemini told me that after analyzing those 4,000 pages, it could definitively state that the “walking man” was caught on camera close to the Sherman house between 5:35 p.m. and 7:57 p.m. the night of the murders''.

Fortunately, the police are probably not uploading THEIR OWN REFERENCE SUMMARIES for analysis, as KD describes doing to test the method.

The ITOs do not contain “witness statements”. They contain some summaries of details relevant to whatever order the police are seeking. The most relevant stuff is redacted.

The police have vast amounts of data that probably could benefit from this type of analysis. The amount of information police have in any investigation is gigantic. After eight years, most of it data analysis, it’ll be overwhelming.

 

[dotr]

IF the female actor didn't wear pearl earrings for her acting scenes, because Honey didn't wear pearl earrings on her last day, why should this jewelry have been accidentally dropped by the filming crew??

Do we have knowledge about Honey's look at the Apotex (architects) meeting?

Quite right, nothing was said regarding the jewelry that HS may or may not have worn at that last meeting with the architects, (although now that you mentioned it, it would be interesting to know if any jewels were missing from her person).
Cannot find a pic of the actress wearing a copy of the earrings, just speculation on my part when trying to make sense of the bizarre ice and snow find.

'Jewelry Ice, a natural ice phenomenon that glistens like diamonds'​

https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/japan-travel-planner/hokkaido/0000029.html

 

[Aquabot13]

Those both look like costume earrings to me - I'd think they're too youthful and cheap-looking for Honey, who seemed to like the finer things. The cluster-style "diamond" earring looks especially cheap. Freshwater pearl earrings are like $12 on amazon.

I would also think Honey's real earrings would have screw backs to keep them from falling into a gutter.

Either way, though, the matches to those pairs must be somewhere...

MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

Those both look like costume earrings to me - I'd think they're too youthful and cheap-looking for Honey, who seemed to like the finer things. The cluster-style "diamond" earring looks especially cheap. Freshwater pearl earrings are like $12 on amazon.

I would also think Honey's real earrings would have screw backs to keep them from falling into a gutter.

Either way, though, the matches to those pairs must be somewhere...

MOO

The photo makes them look like different earrings but the news stories written by people who saw them in person all speak of a single earring. Perhaps it’s the front and back sides of an earring.