CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[fadedglitter]

So why kill Honey? She knew little to nothing about the business.

This is one of many reasons I’ve always been skeptical of the Big Pharma theories. I’ve never heard a plausible argument that Big Pharma was involved in the murders.

 

[DonAntonio]

Hello everyone. My theory. A hitman or hitmen were hired and landed in Toronto a couple of weeks before the murders. somewhere end november or early december. They need to know the daily schedules of HS and BS. So preparing is key. So they followed the Shermens for some weeks. I would have checked as I was TPS for a month before the murders people from abroad visiting the country for 3 weeks. Also they have to stay somewhere in a hotel or motel. So check all the hotels and motels in the neighboorhood. Also check the direct family, the incoming phonecalls and texts from a month before the murders. The master minder has to contact the murderers several times for the execution date and the time schedule of the shermens and of course the agreed sum. Probably an amount before the murders and after. What also is interesting that there is no mentioning of contact to the Shermens regarding 14th of december. Has nobody contacted or trying to contact them on that date ? Also there was no overkill. No stab wounds or mutilating the bodies during or after the crime. So no absurd hathred from the murderers. The stages of the bodies must ment something to the killers. They succeeded in winning time to let it look like a murder homicide. Als the TPS has to check al foreigners who left the country on the 14th and 15th december 2017. The NW is definateley a male to my opinion who walked fast and it look like on the video that he was aware of the camera by turning his head.

 

[Andreee]

Hello everyone. My theory. A hitman or hitmen were hired and landed in Toronto a couple of weeks before the murders. somewhere end november or early december. They need to know the daily schedules of HS and BS. So preparing is key. So they followed the Shermens for some weeks. I would have checked as I was TPS for a month before the murders people from abroad visiting the country for 3 weeks. Also they have to stay somewhere in a hotel or motel. So check all the hotels and motels in the neighboorhood. Also check the direct family, the incoming phonecalls and texts from a month before the murders. The master minder has to contact the murderers several times for the execution date and the time schedule of the shermens and of course the agreed sum. Probably an amount before the murders and after. What also is interesting that there is no mentioning of contact to the Shermens regarding 14th of december. Has nobody contacted or trying to contact them on that date ? Also there was no overkill. No stab wounds or mutilating the bodies during or after the crime. So no absurd hathred from the murderers. The stages of the bodies must ment something to the killers. They succeeded in winning time to let it look like a murder homicide. Als the TPS has to check al foreigners who left the country on the 14th and 15th december 2017. The NW is definateley a male to my opinion who walked fast and it look like on the video that he was aware of the camera by turning his head.

This all makes perfect sense as being a hitman.
Attention to all details and pre-planning seems very professional indeed. Especially notable to me re. the NW is the possibly deliberate turning of his head when passing by a camera enroute. Everything precisely thought out.

 

[WINDSOR]

Hello everyone. My theory. A hitman or hitmen were hired and landed in Toronto a couple of weeks before the murders. somewhere end november or early december. They need to know the daily schedules of HS and BS. So preparing is key. So they followed the Shermens for some weeks. I would have checked as I was TPS for a month before the murders people from abroad visiting the country for 3 weeks. Also they have to stay somewhere in a hotel or motel. So check all the hotels and motels in the neighboorhood. Also check the direct family, the incoming phonecalls and texts from a month before the murders. The master minder has to contact the murderers several times for the execution date and the time schedule of the shermens and of course the agreed sum. Probably an amount before the murders and after. What also is interesting that there is no mentioning of contact to the Shermens regarding 14th of december. Has nobody contacted or trying to contact them on that date ? Also there was no overkill. No stab wounds or mutilating the bodies during or after the crime. So no absurd hathred from the murderers. The stages of the bodies must ment something to the killers. They succeeded in winning time to let it look like a murder homicide. Als the TPS has to check al foreigners who left the country on the 14th and 15th december 2017. The NW is definateley a male to my opinion who walked fast and it look like on the video that he was aware of the camera by turning his head.

DonAntonio, your theory corresponds almost exactly with my own theory.

Only variances,

The hit-team could have stayed in a residence on a short-term rental basis. Many such units are available in Toronto, (some possibly even walking distance from the Sherman home) but much harder to trace than traditional hotels and motels.

The hit-team would likely have used burner phones or similar devices that were basically untraceable.

The staging of the bodies was likely done at the request of the employer(s) of the hit-team.

MOO

 

[DonAntonio]

Looks like TPS is not spending much time any more to solve the case. It’s better that a couple of fresh eyes looking at the whole procedure again from the start hoping they have a new lead to work with. Maybe to create a new cold case team that review all the gathered evidence again. Looking at several theories. Follow the money or looking at all family members again. Collecting all data from phone companies of all the poi’s from november, december 2017 and january 2018.
Otherwise this case can only be solved if one of the murderers admit to the crime at the end of their lives.

 

[PrairieWind]

Looks like TPS is not spending much time any more to solve the case. It’s better that a couple of fresh eyes looking at the whole procedure again from the start hoping they have a new lead to work with. Maybe to create a new cold case team that review all the gathered evidence again. Looking at several theories. Follow the money or looking at all family members again. Collecting all data from phone companies of all the poi’s from november, december 2017 and january 2018.
Otherwise this case can only be solved if one of the murderers admit to the crime at the end of their lives.

I am afraid that early missteps by police, determining this was murder/suicide, allowed too much evidence to slip away early on.

 

[helix527]

Hello everyone. My theory. A hitman or hitmen were hired and landed in Toronto a couple of weeks before the murders. somewhere end november or early december. They need to know the daily schedules of HS and BS. So preparing is key. So they followed the Shermens for some weeks. I would have checked as I was TPS for a month before the murders people from abroad visiting the country for 3 weeks. Also they have to stay somewhere in a hotel or motel. So check all the hotels and motels in the neighboorhood.

I agree that the hitman is likely out-of-town, and likely arrived in Toronto a few weeks before the murder. However, there aren't many hotels in the immediate vicinity - most are downtown or near the airport - and according to Google, there are 35,000 hotel rooms in Toronto. This would be a daunting task to review all hotel guests.

 

[hexicon]

DonAntonio, your theory corresponds almost exactly with my own theory.

Only variances,

The hit-team could have stayed in a residence on a short-term rental basis. Many such units are available in Toronto, (some possibly even walking distance from the Sherman home) but much harder to trace than traditional hotels and motels.

The hit-team would likely have used burner phones or similar devices that were basically untraceable.

The staging of the bodies was likely done at the request of the employer(s) of the hit-team.

MOO

I'm on the imported hit-squad team as well.

Two or at the very most three came to Toronto from abroad with some kind of fairly reasonable cover story. Christmas in Canada? It's a better cover story than the Skripal poisoners saying they wanted to see Salisbury Cathedral. Maybe a business meeting? Although a short-term rental of a house or a townhome means more of a paper trail, there will be fewer cameras and less overall security than in a hotel. Question: I prefer hotels to VRBOs, so I've never rented the latter. Do you need provide passports/ID or just a credit card?

IMO these guys are foreign nationals procured through a shady security contractor. I think they have state-sponsored training (military, GRU, CIA, Mossad, etc.) in covert action, evading security, and yes, assassination/wetwork/whatever you want to call it. No, I do not think that these guys were actually employed by such an entity--just that this was their background. I think there have to be at least two. Their victims were seniors but not entirely frail or vulnerable. They couldn't be sure in advance whether they would both have to be dealt with at the same time, and I don't think they would take chances.

I know that often strangling is characterized as an an intimate way of committing murder, thus indicating a personal motive, but here, I think it shows the murderer wanted something quiet and efficient that leaves minimal forensic evidence. Strangulation is not "quiet" in some senses, because it takes the victim some time to die, but unlike stabbing or bludgeoning it's harder for the victim to make noise, and unlike a gunshot the sound is not likely to carry outside the house. Someone who uses strangulation for this kind of murder has to be very confident in their physical strength and skills. As for the staging as M/S, I don't think the contractors thought that the LE would seriously consider M/S for very long, but maybe for long enough to cause delays and contamination of the scene and evidence, and to get out of town.

One of my questions in this scenario is the date when the murder was supposed to take place. Was it scheduled for a specific day or were they just looking for a window? I know Kevin Donovan has indicated his belief that the person who procured the contract was there when the murders took place. To me, that seems all wrong with what I perceive to be the financial motive. I think the procurer would want to be as far away as possible, say, on another continent. So how long were the killers watching the Shermans to find the right time? Surveillance would would require different vehicles. I wonder if LE has looked at car rentals. Like, say, three guys at the same VRBO address renting a car each for a week or two? Vehicles that are nondescript yet not out of place in a wealthy neighborhood?

JMO only. In a lot of cases that I follow, I have come down to earth and adopted more mundane theories. This is one where I truly believe that the truth is fictive.

 

[xjd11]

I am afraid that early missteps by police, determining this was murder/suicide, allowed too much evidence to slip away early on.

makes me wonder what, if any, evidence might have been recovered from the house. had it not been demolished in it's entirety, contents and all.

 

[WINDSOR]

makes me wonder what, if any, evidence might have been recovered from the house. had it not been demolished in it's entirety, contents and all.

Both the TPS and the Private Investigators had lots of opportunity to collect evidence prior to the house being demolished.
One can assume that if it was a professional hit-team who did the murders, they did not leave much evidence that would be useful.

 

[fadedglitter]

makes me wonder what, if any, evidence might have been recovered from the house. had it not been demolished in it's entirety, contents and all.

The house was searched for six weeks before being turned back over to the family. This is far longer than a typical murder investigation in Canada. It’s common for police to release the scene within days.

 

[xjd11]

The house was searched for six weeks before being turned back over to the family. This is far longer than a typical murder investigation in Canada. It’s common for police to release the scene within days.

ah, thank you for that info, I did not know that. seemed like it was demo'd quickly but obviously I am misremembering.

 

[fadedglitter]

ah, thank you for that info, I did not know that. seemed like it was demo'd quickly but obviously I am misremembering.

Here’s the request to Toronto City Council to demolish the building, dated February 2019.

The actual demolition took place in May 2019: here’s a news story from the time.

The home wasn’t selling for its asking price even before the murders; it’s no surprise there were no buyers afterwards. Even today the lot remains undeveloped. Alexandra recently repurchased it.

 

[ldlager]

The house was searched for six weeks before being turned back over to the family. This is far longer than a typical murder investigation in Canada. It’s common for police to release the scene within days.

And if those responsible for the murders were concerned that evidence remained in the house in the days and weeks after the murders, a fire would surely have resolved these concerns.

 

[WINDSOR]

And if those responsible for the murders were concerned that evidence remained in the house in the days and weeks after the murders, a fire would surely have resolved these concerns.

When I read this post, I started thinking why was not a fire started, it would have raised the complexity of the police investigation to a whole new level.

Then I realized that, within minutes of the fire being visible from the street, Fire and Police would be arriving and the bodies would be discovered. The escape time for the killers would be radically reduced because of the emergency response and the value and significance of the body staging, to be discovered by investigators could be lost as well.

If the killers had hoped that investigators would consider M/S, arson would not be consistent with that theory either.

Finally with arson, here is always a physical risk to the arsonists.

 

[ldlager]

When I read this post, I started thinking why was not a fire started, it would have raised the complexity of the police investigation to a whole new level.

Then I realized that, within minutes of the fire being visible from the street, Fire and Police would be arriving and the bodies would be discovered. The escape time for the killers would be radically reduced because of the emergency response and the value and significance of the body staging, to be discovered by investigators could be lost as well.

If the killers had hoped that investigators would consider M/S, arson would not be consistent with that theory either.

Finally with arson, here is always a physical risk to the arsonists.

Yes. But what I meant was the killers could have set the fire in the weeks after the bodies were discovered, not before they were discovered. To prevent LE from looking for evidence. We know that LE may not have adequately secured the house after discovery of the bodies, as an Apotex employee was able to walk into the house undetected a day or two after the bodies were discovered.
On the other hand, if the killer started the fire immediately after the killings, while he /she/they were still in the house, it might enhance the idea of LE that it was a M/S, and BS set the house on fire before killing himself to disguise the M/S.
MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

I am unfortunately rather familiar with trends in family annihilation, and setting fire to the home is not uncommon.

But we are waaaaaay outside the realm of this case’s facts now.

 

[ldlager]

I am unfortunately rather familiar with trends in family annihilation, and setting fire to the home is not uncommon.

But we are waaaaaay outside the realm of this case’s facts now.

Tearing it down had the same effect

 

[DonAntonio]

Happy new year to you all. Does anybody have a plausible theory who was killed first according to the facial wounds of HS and arrival times of HS and BS. Why did HS supposedly try to flee at some time or showed a kind of resistance while BS seemed not having resisted the attackers at all. Could it be that BS has been unconscience perhaps by chloroform that he didn’t or couldn’t resist during the attack. For the attackers it would be the best to make as less noise as possible and do it as quick as possible. The staging of the bodies tell me that the attackers really enjoyed killing them trying to look them ridiculous with the message now we let you both hanging. The mastermind behind these attacks was thinking maybe you both also did hang me because you both ruïned my life too.

 

[FromGermany1]

Yes. But what I meant was the killers could have set the fire in the weeks after the bodies were discovered, not before they were discovered. To prevent LE from looking for evidence. We know that LE may not have adequately secured the house after discovery of the bodies, as an Apotex employee was able to walk into the house undetected a day or two after the bodies were discovered.
On the other hand, if the killer started the fire immediately after the killings, while he /she/they were still in the house, it might enhance the idea of LE that it was a M/S, and BS set the house on fire before killing himself to disguise the M/S.
MOO

bbm
Would BS have done that to his house, which he was very reluctant to leave and which he probably loved?