Canada, Greenland, Mexico, etc - USA Tariffs / Trade War commencing March 2025 #5

[Lyanna]

I don't have a handy link, but I read that it took at least a decade to set up critical mineral processing facilities in China because they must be pristine sterile and run by specialized engineers. Where is the USA going to find that?

It will take 10 years for similar facilities to be operational in the USA.

Yea, this one says they're hoping that one mine will be ready by the end of Trump's presidency

The US has a single rare earths mine — suddenly there's a push for more

The trade war between the world's two biggest economies could lead to a critical shortage of rare earth elements.

www.1news.co.nz

Moo

 

[Dotta]

Yea, this one says they're hoping that one mine will be ready by the end of Trump's presidency

The US has a single rare earths mine — suddenly there's a push for more

The trade war between the world's two biggest economies could lead to a critical shortage of rare earth elements.

www.1news.co.nz

Moo

Better late than never is my motto

 

[otto]

I think they might mean snatching minerals from other countries.

The USA government wants to steal rare earth elements from Ukraine, Canada and Greenland. The USA government does not want to buy rare earth elements. They want to annex Canada, Invade Greenland and extort Ukraine. The plan is to steal, not buy, even though buying is an option.

Stealing the resources won't help the USA, because the USA does not have facilities to process the rare earth elements. China is 10 years ahead of the USA.

Suddenly, after the USA government imposes ridiculous tariffs on China, it occurs to them that they desperately need something from China. Creating new executive orders about processing rare earth elements is nice, but the USA is years away from producing what it uses.

Yesterday Trump was bragging that the USA has what everyone else wants. Today Trump understands that China has what the USA needs.

 

[SouthAussie]

IMO, it's the culture war, rather than anything to do with actual real people and their actual, real lives.

I hope that you are right, and that tomorrow ...

People will stop being sent to an El Salvadorian mega-prison that is being paid to take them
And that a vaccine skeptic won't be head of US Health & Human Services
And that a person with proper qualifications will be head of US Defence, instead of a former TV presenter and National Guardsman
And students will be allowed free speech
And that the US will stop distancing its former allies
And that the US administration will start abiding by judges' orders
And that the US will once again provide diversity, equity and inclusion to its citizens
And that tourists will feel that they can travel again to the US, not have their privacy and free speech invaded
Etc, etc, etc ....

But I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. Unfortunately.

 

[Lyanna]

I don't have a handy link, but I read that it took at least a decade to set up critical mineral processing facilities in China because they must be pristine sterile and run by specialized engineers. Where is the USA going to find that?

It will take 10 years for similar facilities to be operational in the USA.

And this one says between 5-10 yrs.
What's interesting about this one, it mentions deep sea mining, the Pacific Ocean has certain areas where some minerals can be found. Donald has recently signed an exec order for "America first fishing" in the Pacific.

Why it’s nearly impossible for America to meet its rare-earth needs after China’s export restrictions

China has managed to hit the U.S. where it hurts the most in response to the Trump administration’s tariffs, with restrictions on global exports of certain rare-earth elements that the U.S. has little ability to produce or refine.

www.marketwatch.com

Moo

 

[otto]

Yea, this one says they're hoping that one mine will be ready by the end of Trump's presidency

The US has a single rare earths mine — suddenly there's a push for more

The trade war between the world's two biggest economies could lead to a critical shortage of rare earth elements.

www.1news.co.nz

Moo

Same problem that Trump has with everything. He enacts the last step of the plan, and then wonders why there are problems.

Through the imposition of bullying, unjustified tariffs, he cut off USA access to Chinese products that are necessary for USA drones, cars, planes and military. He needed to secure the elements, ensure that USA processing plants were in operational, and only then should he cut off the necessary product.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't have a handy link, but I read that it took at least a decade to set up critical mineral processing facilities in China because they must be pristine sterile and run by specialized engineers. Where is the USA going to find that?

It will take 10 years for similar facilities to be operational in the USA.

A brief look at the first four of them.

Initial selected projects include:

• Resolution Copper Project - this has been ongoing since 2013, they have to meet environmental standards, or should I say HAD to meet environmental standards Link

• Stibnite Gold Project - reopening of abandoned mines, again there are environmental concern for the fish and land Link

• Warrior Met Coal Mines - already existing mines Link

• McDermitt Exploration Project - exploration started in 2018, needs to meet environmental and cultural concerns Link

I haven't looked at these ones:
• South West Arkansas Project
• Caldwell Canyon Mine Project
• Libby Exploration Project
• Lisbon Valley Copper Project
• Silver Peak Lithium Mine
• Michigan Potash

Trump Administration Advances First Wave of Critical Mineral Production Projects

Today, the Federal Permitting Improvement Steering Council (Permitting Council) announced increased transparency, accountability, and predictability for

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[otto]

And this one says between 5-10 yrs.
What's interesting about this one, it mentions deep sea mining, the Pacific Ocean has certain areas where some minerals can be found. Donald has recently signed an exec order for "America first fishing" in the Pacific.

Why it’s nearly impossible for America to meet its rare-earth needs after China’s export restrictions

China has managed to hit the U.S. where it hurts the most in response to the Trump administration’s tariffs, with restrictions on global exports of certain rare-earth elements that the U.S. has little ability to produce or refine.

www.marketwatch.com

Moo

And this ...

"An abrupt announcement rattled members of a little-known UN agency based in Jamaica that has protected international deep-sea waters for more than 30 years.

The Metals Company in Vancouver said late Thursday that it is seeking permission from the U.S. government to start deep-sea mining in international waters, potentially bypassing the International Seabed Authority, which has the power to authorize exploitation permits but has yet to do so.

“It would be a major breach of international law…if the U.S. were to grant it,” said Duncan Currie, an international and environmental lawyer and legal adviser to the Deep Sea Conservation Coalition, a Netherlands-based alliance of environmental groups.

The Metals Company seeks seafloor minerals like cobalt, copper, nickel and manganese used in electric car batteries and other green technology.
...

The Metals Company argued that the United States’ seabed mining code would allow it to start operations in international waters since it’s not a member of the authority and therefore not bound by its rules.

March 28, 2025

Canadian company bypasses UN agency and seeks U.S. approval to start deep-sea mining

If the U.S. granted Vancouver's Metals Company permission to mine in international waters "it would be a major breach of international law," said one lawyer

nationalpost.com

July 2024

Canada's TMC to apply for deep sea mining licence this year, chief exec says

Canada's The Metals Company plans to apply for a licence to extract minerals from the ocean floor before the end of this year, its chief executive told Reuters, as nations gather in Jamaica to thrash out new rules to minimise environmental risks.

www.reuters.com

 

[otto]

Trump doesn't care about future generations, or the environment. He cares about money in his pocket today.

"Rare earth element ores have metals that, when mixed with leaching pond chemicals, contaminate air, water, and soil. Most worrying is that rare earth ores are often laced with radioactive thorium and uranium, which result in especially detrimental health effects."

Not So “Green” Technology: The Complicated Legacy of Rare Earth Mining

"As much as technology is hailed as the panacea of the future, most of these innovations have a dirty underside: production of these new technologies requires companies to dig up what are referred to as rare earth elements (REEs)."

hir.harvard.edu

 

[SouthAussie]

And this ...

"An abrupt announcement rattled members of a little-known UN agency based in Jamaica that has protected international deep-sea waters for more than 30 years.

The Metals Company in Vancouver said late Thursday that it is seeking permission from the U.S. government to start deep-sea mining in international waters, potentially bypassing the International Seabed Authority, which has the power to authorize exploitation permits but has yet to do so.

“It would be a major breach of international law…if the U.S. were to grant it,” said Duncan Currie, an international and environmental lawyer and legal adviser to the Deep Sea Conservation Coalition, a Netherlands-based alliance of environmental groups.

The Metals Company seeks seafloor minerals like cobalt, copper, nickel and manganese used in electric car batteries and other green technology.
...

The Metals Company argued that the United States’ seabed mining code would allow it to start operations in international waters since it’s not a member of the authority and therefore not bound by its rules.

March 28, 2025

Canadian company bypasses UN agency and seeks U.S. approval to start deep-sea mining

If the U.S. granted Vancouver's Metals Company permission to mine in international waters "it would be a major breach of international law," said one lawyer

nationalpost.com

July 2024

Canada's TMC to apply for deep sea mining licence this year, chief exec says

Canada's The Metals Company plans to apply for a licence to extract minerals from the ocean floor before the end of this year, its chief executive told Reuters, as nations gather in Jamaica to thrash out new rules to minimise environmental risks.

www.reuters.com

Is the US the king of the world now? Or the only one who will flout international law at whim? So a Canadian company goes to them for permission and possible assistance.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Trump seems to have given himself the position of world leader.

 

[SouthAussie]

"Nicholas Gilbert, a dairy farmer who operates Adon Farms in upstate New York, experienced tariff sticker shock when a routine shipment of cow feed from Ontario cost him $2,200 more than expected.

“I’m not even sure it’s legal! We contracted for the price on delivery,” .....

Unfortunately for Gilbert, the tariff is very much legal. Like many American business owners, he mistakenly believed that tariffs on imported goods would be paid by the foreign exporter."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/im-not-even-sure-legal-010000861.html

 

[SouthAussie]

"With the state budget hanging precariously in the balance, Gov. Gavin Newsom has announced that California will sue to block President Donald Trump’s tariff powers.

The lawsuit, which Newsom and Attorney General Rob Bonta plan to file in federal court, argues that Trump does not have the constitutional authority to unilaterally enact tariffs.

The state contends that the International Emergency Economic Powers Act specifies many remedies a president can take in response to a foreign economic threat, but tariffs are not among them. Without this specific authorization from Congress, the lawsuit will argue, Trump’s actions are “unlawful and unprecedented.” "

California Governor Newsom Takes Legal Action Against Unlawful tariffs

Lawsuit Filed by California Governor and AG Challenges Trump's tariffs as 'Unlawful and Unprecedented

smdp.com

 

[SouthAussie]

"Ford Motor Co. has stopped shipping several expensive trucks and sports cars made in Michigan and Kentucky to China as tariffs have shot up as a result of the trade war between China and President Donald Trump.

The move was confirmed April 18 to the Detroit Free Press by two people familiar with the situation ..... the vehicles Ford has stopped shipping to China this week are: F-150 Raptor pickups, Mustang sports cars and Bronco SUVs built in Michigan, as well as Lincoln Navigators made in Kentucky.

Enoch told the Free Press that Ford continues to ship the Lincoln Nautilus, which is made in China, to the United States."

Ford stops shipping Michigan-built vehicles to China due to soaring tariffs

Ford has halted shipping expensive Raptors, Mustangs and more to China as tariffs soar to 150%. It still exports some engines and transmissions.

www.usatoday.com

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Trump is a disaster but If you face reality, Biden's open borders gave Trump a lot to talk about, allowing him to twist facts ---- I believe Biden's poor handling of immigration engendered tremendous anger and is a,big reason Trump won the election

BBM

Don't forget that DJT, with the help of his Republican collaborators, killed a bipartisan border bill because he feared any progress on border issues during the Biden administration would hurt his election chances.

 

[keek]

BBM

Don't forget that DJT, with the help of his Republican collaborators, killed a bipartisan border bill because he feared any progress on border issues during the Biden administration would hurt his election chances.

Remember it clearly. He would not like that brought up.

 

[Bigditch]

I don't think even a writer of fiction could have made a story up like what is happening in our country because of one man who is ruling like a King, enabled by the Republican party in congress, who have the power to stop the madness-- but won't---

Oh, I do think they have the power, but not the will to see their own necks' in a noose.

 

[ilovewings]

Oh, I do think they have the power, but not the will to see their own necks' in a noose.

it appears as though they are willing to sacrifice our country to stay on the good side of Trump! there was a discussion on MSNBC about how in private they are panicking because they know Trump is taking our country down a very bad road, but they are truly afraid of him-- not only that he could tank their careers, but they are afraid for their families- He is truly like a Mafia Don-- what they are failing to understand that there is power in numbers: if they could grow a spine and stand together against this maniac they could get this country back on track.

 

[ilovewings]

BBM

Don't forget that DJT, with the help of his Republican collaborators, killed a bipartisan border bill because he feared any progress on border issues during the Biden administration would hurt his election chances.

People seem to forget that---- nevertheless Biden really is responsible for the border mess:

 

[TootsieFootsie]

https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-1-summary

Biden Didn’t Cause the Border Crisis, Part 1: Summary​

During President Joe Biden’s term, Border Patrol arrested an unprecedented number of immigrants who crossed illegally into the United States. Many believe Biden caused this increase in migration by reducing border enforcement. However, data obtained by the Cato Institute through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) challenges this narrative. In fact, the border crisis began before Biden took office and ended before he left.

From his administration’s first day in January 2021, Biden actually increased border enforcement—arrests, detentions, and removals of border crossers all increased. The prevailing narrative that blames Biden overlooks the real causes of the crisis: America’s robust labor market and bad immigration policies that incentivized illegal entries. However, Trump, not Biden, mostly started those policies. Biden eventually phased out some of them; he increased legal migration, and as the labor market cooled, the problem dissipated.