Canada, Greenland, Mexico, etc - USA Tariffs / Trade War commencing March 2025 #5

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I understand what both you and @Trooper are saying. While I don’t think there would be individuals murdering athletes, I do think that there could be a planned attack on whatever country is “the enemy” at the time. Take your pick! Most of us who were alive in 1972 have not forgotten the attack at the Munich Olympics. So I envision something like that if anything happens, which I hope it won’t.

JMO

I'm old enough to remember the Munich attack, stemming from a centuries old dispute IIRC.

In that instance, I can understand Palestinian anger.*

However, I do not see a groundswell of support for any particular country being a target of MAGA ire.

*I understand the anger. I am in no way condoning the violence.
 
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However, I do not see a groundswell of support for any particular country being a target of MAGA ire.

I don’t either, yet. But we have over three years until the Olympics. A lot can happen by then.
 
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China exhibiting a bit of venom.....👇


China Daily, the ruling Communist party’s English-language mouthpiece, says the US ‘has been living beyond its means for decades’

The US needs to “stop whining” about being a victim after “taking a free ride on the globalisation train”, China’s official state media has said, as the trade war between the two countries continued to spiral.

Last week’s tit-for-tat tariff hikes appear to have paused, but the conflict between the two biggest economies is showing no signs of letting up.

On Tuesday evening China Daily, the ruling Chinese Communist party’s (CCP) English-language mouthpiece, published an editorial saying Donald Trump’s frequent claims of the US being “ripped off” were “hoodwinking the US public”.

“The US is not getting ripped off by anybody,” it said. “The problem is the US has been living beyond its means for decades. It consumes more than it produces. It has outsourced its manufacturing and borrowed money in order to have a higher standard of living than it’s entitled to based on its productivity. Rather than being ‘cheated’, the US has been taking a free ride on the globalisation train.”

It added, “The US should stop whining about itself being a victim in global trade and put an end to its capricious and destructive behaviour.”

The CCP has refused to capitulate to Trump’s demands to come to the table and renegotiate their terms of trade.
 
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Article in Aussie MSM today .... Why Typhoid Trump and COVID are so similar

The article speaks of the turmoil caused by the tariffs, and now it is clear to see his real battle is with China.

It says we remember how the supply chain was broken during the height of covid and how it caused long running inflation. With all the uncertainty, are we now in for a short bout or subject to long "covid"?

What's the difference between Trump's world order grenade and covid? We have a vaccine for covid.

(paraphrased)
 
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I don't think it's too early for FIFA and the Olympic Committee's to begin scouting around for alternative venues for the World Cup and the Olympics... People just won't come to run the risk of deportation, or imprisonment.. ... and in such a socially disrupted , and ( by then , for sure ) nationally angry population that is armed to the teeth and unregulated, and has not very good marksmanship skills, it is not an attractive proposition..
rsbm

i really wonder wonder how the world cup and the olympics will go! thinking back to the world cup in qatar, i have a feeling there will be voices to boycott etc. but at the end of the day everyone will still participate.

the athletes devote their lives to preparing for these events, there will probably still be plenty of sports fans who think nothing will happen to them, etc. i don’t really know about the olympic committee, but FIFA is not really known for caring about human rights when it comes to where the world cup is held.

i do agree with @Lilibet that so much can still happen! but for now i’m skeptic about anything being cancelled or relocated
 
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Article in Aussie MSM today .... Why Typhoid Trump and COVID are so similar

The article speaks of the turmoil caused by the tariffs, and now it is clear to see his real battle is with China.

It says we remember how the supply chain was broken during the height of covid and how it caused long running inflation. With all the uncertainty, are we now in for a short bout or subject to long "covid"?

What's the difference between Trump's world order grenade and covid? We have a vaccine for covid.

(paraphrased)
China... as expected , are no longer playing nice.... .. not that Trump ever has, but the CCCP can suddenly , after some time of playing along, upping the ante , responding respectfully and graciously, rip the rug out from under those feet, without blinking an eye.
 
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Article in Aussie MSM today .... Why Typhoid Trump and COVID are so similar

The article speaks of the turmoil caused by the tariffs, and now it is clear to see his real battle is with China.

It says we remember how the supply chain was broken during the height of covid and how it caused long running inflation. With all the uncertainty, are we now in for a short bout or subject to long "covid"?

What's the difference between Trump's world order grenade and covid? We have a vaccine for covid.

(paraphrased)
When Trump finally fades away, there will be another one just like it. It’s probably going to become routine, JMO
 
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''''Painting a picture of “chaos” in the area’s streets, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre blamed the Liberal government on Thursday for failing to keep repeat offenders behind bars, while Liberal Leader Mark Carney — making a foray into an issue at the core of the Conservative campaign pitch — accused Poilievre of risking public safety by importing dangerous American gun policies.

“He will restore the legality of assault rifles in our communities, and he’s promised the gun lobby that he will give us American-style gun laws,” Carney said Thursday at a press conference in Brampton. '''


(Would this be the silliest policy that Pierre has come up with , or are there others as batty? )
 
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I'm going on a cruise but I'm flying to Europe to get it. No more Florida until things change. Even then I really wonder how I'll feel about the US if or when the dust settles. It's like being cheated on.
It's probably too late for the cruise lines to do much about it this season, but it's possible that those that primarily cater to the non-US customer will redesign their Caribbean routes for the next few seasons to avoid calling at US ports, including those in Puerto Rico. It might also lead to increased popularity for the older, generally smaller, ships which can call at less developed islands which are less geared up to the giant ships which have increasingly been built in recent years. A refurbished but older ship with a maximum passenger capacity of 1,000 to 2,000 has options that ships with a capacity of 5,000 don't have. I think Barbados, for example, also has the airport capacity to handle many more flights than it currently receives, so it might be feasible for more cruises to the southern Caribbean to start and end there than is currently the case.
 
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I'm old enough to remember the Munich attack, stemming from a centuries old dispute IIRC.
Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived pretty much in harmony in the Middle East for almost all of their shared history. The real animosity of Muslims for Jews began at the beginning of the 20th century following the publication of a work titled The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which purported to be a Jewish plan for global domination. It was actually written by the Tsarist secret police c1905 and circulated to provide a spurious justification for the pogroms carried out in Russia in the years following. The ideas within it have been exploited since then by all sorts of interests with anti-Semitic (not just anti-Zionist) agendas.
 
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I don't think it's too early for FIFA and the Olympic Committee's to begin scouting around for alternative venues for the World Cup and the Olympics... People just won't come to run the risk of deportation, or imprisonment.. ... and in such a socially disrupted , and ( by then , for sure ) nationally angry population that is armed to the teeth and unregulated, and has not very good marksmanship skills, it is not an attractive proposition..
There isn't time for another country to step in to hold the Olympics at such short notice. Brisbane won't have its facilities ready by 2028 and earlier Olympic villages tend to be repurposed or abandoned and allowed to fall apart.

China might be able to pull it off on the basis of throwing up facilities which would probably fall down the day after the closing ceremony but that would be a massive humiliation for the US.

As to the World Cup, which is due to start in about 15 months, I cannot see anyway to redistribute the fixtures at such short notice and prepare a new group of stadiums in Mexico and Canada to take on matches they weren't expecting to host. To give an idea of the scale of the problem, of the 16 host cities 11 are in the US, 2 in Canada and 3 in Mexico.
 
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China exhibiting a bit of venom.....👇


China Daily, the ruling Communist party’s English-language mouthpiece, says the US ‘has been living beyond its means for decades’

The US needs to “stop whining” about being a victim after “taking a free ride on the globalisation train”, China’s official state media has said, as the trade war between the two countries continued to spiral.

Last week’s tit-for-tat tariff hikes appear to have paused, but the conflict between the two biggest economies is showing no signs of letting up.

On Tuesday evening China Daily, the ruling Chinese Communist party’s (CCP) English-language mouthpiece, published an editorial saying Donald Trump’s frequent claims of the US being “ripped off” were “hoodwinking the US public”.

“The US is not getting ripped off by anybody,” it said. “The problem is the US has been living beyond its means for decades. It consumes more than it produces. It has outsourced its manufacturing and borrowed money in order to have a higher standard of living than it’s entitled to based on its productivity. Rather than being ‘cheated’, the US has been taking a free ride on the globalisation train.”

It added, “The US should stop whining about itself being a victim in global trade and put an end to its capricious and destructive behaviour.”

The CCP has refused to capitulate to Trump’s demands to come to the table and renegotiate their terms of trade.

I can't say that I disagree with this.
 
  • #233
When Trump finally fades away, there will be another one just like it. It’s probably going to become routine, JMO

I am hopeful that because the pendulum has swung so far to one side now that it is going to swing back again toward the middle at some point. The sooner, the better.

We are now seeing what can happen in such a short period of time. We need to learn from this lesson.

imo
 
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U.S. Plans to Use Tariff Negotiations to Isolate China​

The idea is to extract commitments from U.S. trading partners to isolate China’s economy in exchange for reductions in trade and tariff barriers imposed by the White House.


(the article is paywalled but you get the idea just from reading the intro)

I doubt that it will benefit any/many to isolate China. Probably more beneficial to isolate the US (unfortunately).

imo

This article seems to say the same as your linked article, and quotes the WSJ. (Hopefully it's not paywalled for anyone, I can open it)

 
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"From furniture and appliances to laundry pods and home decors, a growing number of Chinese sellers are showcasing their products in English on platforms like TikTok and Rednote, targeting US users with captions such as "factory price for Americans" and "no middleman, no mark-up".

Views on these posts often climb above 200,000, and some hit over half a million.

Many users said they realised how much middle businesses and US-based companies have inflated prices for everyday goods."

 
  • #239
"The European Central Bank (ECB) is widely expected to cut its key interest rate by 25 basis points on Thursday, marking a sixth consecutive reduction amid softening inflation and escalating trade risks triggered by the United States.

The deposit rate is set to fall to 2.25%, its lowest level since January 2023, as the ECB seeks to insulate the eurozone economy from the economic fallout of new US tariffs and rising global uncertainty."

 
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I can't say that I disagree with this.
It is , really,, impossible to argue against it... the numbers do not lie. If you import more than you export , at some stage there is a reckoning.. Trump is punishing the people he owes, really.
 
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