Canada, Greenland, Mexico, etc - USA Tariffs / Trade War commencing March 2025 #5

[LovesPeace2]

Trump Tariffs Live Updates: 'Stop threatening & blackmailing,' China tells Trump amid trade war - The Times of India

Trump Tariffs Live Updates: China has warned it is "not afraid" of a trade war with the United States, calling instead for dialogue grounded in "equa

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Trump Tariffs Live Updates: China has warned it is "not afraid" of a trade war with the United States, calling instead for dialogue grounded in "equality, respect, and mutual benefit." The remarks from foreign ministry spokesperson Lin Jian came after US President Donald Trump asserted it was Beijing's responsibility to rejoin negotiations. The escalating tensions follow China’s retaliatory moves, which led to a tariff burden of up to 245% on its exports to the US—up from the earlier 145%, according to a White House fact sheet.

 

[LovesPeace2]

I'm so tired of this clown .I wish the USA would just stop. It's getting tiring and disgusting and causing a lot of hatred towards the USA jmo

Trump still wants Canada to be the 51st U.S. state, White House says - National | Globalnews.ca

Trump's rhetoric toward Canada has appeared to soften in recent weeks, but the White House says his position remains that 'Canadians would benefit' from being a U.S. state.

globalnews.ca

The president still maintains his position on Canada: the United States has been subsidizing Canada’s national defence, and he believes that Canadians would benefit greatly from becoming the 51st state of the United States of America

 

[LovesPeace2]

I honestly don't believe it's true. If it is oh well can't help how the USA is forcing us to act. There's a lot of hatred going both ways now thanks to the USA leadership.what do they expect us to roll over and just take the abuse considering Trump's starting with his 51st state again bullchit

US citizen detained after visiting Canada: "Treated like a criminal"

Bachir Atallah and his wife, Jessica Fakhri, say they were stopped by CBP in Vermont on Sunday while returning from a brief family trip.

www.newsweek.com

CBP official has claimed that Atallah's account is "blatantly false and sensationalized."

 

[LovesPeace2]

Canadian Pilots Say They'll Skip AirVenture In Patriotic Gesture

A majority of commenters on a Canadian Owners and Pilots Association Facebook account say they won't attend AirVenture

www.avweb.com

 

[Stunned]

The White House either does not know, or can't quite register what he has heard, or has ignored the news that 160 nations have A L R E A D Y signed up with China for the Belt and Road trade agreement, are they deaf there in Washington??

I can't think of any country except Russia that Trump or his duncified side kick, Vance have not supremely ticked off, with unnecessary , ungrammatical, asinine and puerile slagging off with no provocation whatsoever .... no one cares for Trumps co operation, and anything he signs is as worth while as used toilet paper, it is meaningless. He breaks contracts. Who does business with a contract breaker? no one, , is who.

Unfortunately MAGA voters in the US did.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived pretty much in harmony in the Middle East for almost all of their shared history. The real animosity of Muslims for Jews began at the beginning of the 20th century following the publication of a work titled The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which purported to be a Jewish plan for global domination. It was actually written by the Tsarist secret police c1905 and circulated to provide a spurious justification for the pogroms carried out in Russia in the years following. The ideas within it have been exploited since then by all sorts of interests with anti-Semitic (not just anti-Zionist) agendas.

And in the 20th century, the Brits and Lord Balfour came along to further muck about with things.

 

[otto]

U.S. Plans to Use Tariff Negotiations to Isolate China​

The idea is to extract commitments from U.S. trading partners to isolate China’s economy in exchange for reductions in trade and tariff barriers imposed by the White House.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/u-s-plans-to-use-tariff-negotiations-to-isolate-china-177d1528?mod=mhp

(the article is paywalled but you get the idea just from reading the intro)

China has the world's largest supply of rare earth elements, as well as the necessary processing plants. The USA needs that processed material for planes, cars and military.

I'm curious how isolating China works. Is the plan to prevent all countries from trading with China, then seize control of Chinese trade, and control China's global rare earth elements? China will not become a controlled supplier of goods to the USA. That much we know.

 

[otto]

That's not necessarily the case, though. In China, private businesses only exist for as long as the owner remains in favour with the CCP and does what he's told. The CCP has a long history of manipulating its currency to make its exports unrealistically cheap, which is a genuine and fairly longstanding grievance by the US. China is also able to systematically dump exports on other countries at or below cost price in order to destroy targeted sectors in competitors. Everything in China is ultimately controlled by the CCP.

Trump says that China manipulates currency, but is that true? No other country makes this claim about China, only Trump. This 10 minute video is an analysis of Trump's claim. Watch to the end - the conclusion does not support Trump.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6725028

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived pretty much in harmony in the Middle East for almost all of their shared history. The real animosity of Muslims for Jews began at the beginning of the 20th century following the publication of a work titled The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which purported to be a Jewish plan for global domination. It was actually written by the Tsarist secret police c1905 and circulated to provide a spurious justification for the pogroms carried out in Russia in the years following. The ideas within it have been exploited since then by all sorts of interests with anti-Semitic (not just anti-Zionist) agendas.

wow.. I see this reference as a wakeup call to the powers of Russia.

I remembered some tid bits about the Protocols, but after reading your text I went back to see what I could find.....
Oh how I interpret it so differently in today''s world....
This is just the wiki ... but it is a worthy initial read in itself........

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived pretty much in harmony in the Middle East for almost all of their shared history. The real animosity of Muslims for Jews began at the beginning of the 20th century following the publication of a work titled The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which purported to be a Jewish plan for global domination. It was actually written by the Tsarist secret police c1905 and circulated to provide a spurious justification for the pogroms carried out in Russia in the years following. The ideas within it have been exploited since then by all sorts of interests with anti-Semitic (not just anti-Zionist) agendas.

And that harmony is not all that old. A prof that taught at a university where my husband proffed, and I worked as an adjunct was from Jerusalum. He was Muslim, and his wife was Christian and he said when living in Jerusalum all lived side by side just living life.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I can't say that I disagree with this.

I agree. It does make sense looking from the outside in.

 

[tarabull]

The president is in a hell of a pickle right now' with little way out: Axios founder​

'The president is in a hell of a pickle right now' with little way out: Axios founder

www.rawstory.com

 

[branmuffin]

It's probably too late for the cruise lines to do much about it this season, but it's possible that those that primarily cater to the non-US customer will redesign their Caribbean routes for the next few seasons to avoid calling at US ports, including those in Puerto Rico. It might also lead to increased popularity for the older, generally smaller, ships which can call at less developed islands which are less geared up to the giant ships which have increasingly been built in recent years. A refurbished but older ship with a maximum passenger capacity of 1,000 to 2,000 has options that ships with a capacity of 5,000 don't have. I think Barbados, for example, also has the airport capacity to handle many more flights than it currently receives, so it might be feasible for more cruises to the southern Caribbean to start and end there than is currently the case.

I am not a fan of those mega ships. Just the idea of being on a ship with 5000 passengers gives me the willies. I am most comfortable with PAX of around 2000. They don't have go cart tracks or mega water slides but that's fine with me. Part of the problem for me is when you go on ships that size they have a lot of kids. I'm not against kids when they are well behaved but I feel that parents that take the kids many times think they are in some kind of environment that everyone will be keeping their eyes on the kids while the parents do their own thing. I won't go near a hot tub if lots of little kids are in it. I question the composition of the water - 80% water and 20% pee.

I agree with you about the smaller ships being able to dock at smaller ports. Apparently one cruise line had to radically change their itinerary when doing Scandinavian cruises because of the lack of maneuverability of the larger ships around fjords.

 

[musicaljoke]

The only way the World Cup and Olympics don't happen in the USA is if Civil War II has broken out by then. Not totally impossible if Trump either tries to cancel the 2026 mid terms or obviously tries to rig them. Who knows how the people in a country full of guns would react if that happens.

The World Cup wouldn't be that hard to relocate. All you would need is a country with enough large football stadiums. I'm sure England would bite FIFAs hand off if offered it!

The Olympics would be more difficult to relocate if LA can't host them. Japan and France should still have most of the venues if the IOC needed another host in extremis.

The US will most likely remain the host. Some countries might boycott the Olympics, and some athletes might protest in this way as well. It is supposed to be a non political celebration of human achievement, so hopefully it isn't damaged too much by the American political situation.

 

[musicaljoke]

That's not necessarily the case, though. In China, private businesses only exist for as long as the owner remains in favour with the CCP and does what he's told. The CCP has a long history of manipulating its currency to make its exports unrealistically cheap, which is a genuine and fairly longstanding grievance by the US. China is also able to systematically dump exports on other countries at or below cost price in order to destroy targeted sectors in competitors. Everything in China is ultimately controlled by the CCP.

I sense a fair bit of propaganda in the message that China manipulated its currency in order to sell their exports cheaply in order to destroy targeted sectors. One cannot manipulate currency for targeted sectors.

 

[branmuffin]

People don't like to be bullied and coerced, or dictated to.

imo

Yep, a week or so ago, Scott Bessent during an interview with Fox warned countries not to retaliate, to sit back and let them happen, because to retaliate would just mean more tariffs. That kind of reminds me of the dismissive tongue-in-cheek advice some men used to say about women who got raped: just lie back and enjoy it. A despicable dismissal of an egregious act that suggests physical harm even greater than rape would befall you.

 

[Cedars]

I agree. It does make sense looking from the outside in.

From the little I know, China and the US are economic yin and yang. China is a huge manufacturer, but lacks a domestic market ie a consumer culture, so it sells most of it's goods abroad. The US has a large consumer appetite but doesn't manufacture most of those goods.

A match made heaven, it would seem.

Some people rate these things as 'good' or 'bad'. I just see China as only a couple of generations out of a completely peasant-based economy. It's taken 200 years for western society to forget what it was like to barely subsist on a few cups of rice per day...

JMO

 

[Seni]

Donald Trump's tariffs will make global trade shrink, says WTO

The Geneva-based institution says American tariffs will send international trade into reverse.

www.bbc.com

The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.

It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade.

"The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.

Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, the WTO director general, called the "decoupling" of the US and China "a phenomenon that is really worrying to me".

(........)

 

[Yellowbelly]

I sense a fair bit of propaganda in the message that China manipulated its currency in order to sell their exports cheaply in order to destroy targeted sectors. One cannot manipulate currency for targeted sectors.

Would it even work if they did. We import directly from China at work. We don't get invoiced in CNY, we get invoiced in USD.

 

[branmuffin]

I agree that it's very unlikely that either event won't go ahead as planned. At least with the Olympics, once competitors, officials and visitors have actually entered the US, they should be able to remain there until the event is over.

Things are more complicated for the World Cup, however, because of the split of venues across three countries. Since when the event starts it won't be clear which teams will progress through to and then through the knockout stages, it will also be unclear which teams and their supporters will need to repeatedly move between the three countries as they progress. Each time supporters move into, out of and back into the US, they may run the risk of being detained at the border. That may deter many supporters, especially those travelling as a family with kids.

We'll have to wait and see how all the immigration stuff pans out over the next few months.

Boycotting the Olympics has happened quite a few times. Countries boycotted the 1980 Olympics when Russia invaded Afghanistan. Mostly African countries boycotted Canada's 1976 Olympics in Montreal because of their refusal to ban New Zealand for engaging in competition in south Africa. In 1984 US Los Angeles Olympics were boycotted by many socialist/communist countries because of US anti-communist sentiment. I wouldn't be surprised if they also worried about defections as well. I mean LA? Hollywood? The desire to defect would have been off the charts probably.

With an almost universal aim of tariffing every country in the world by the US and threatening them not to retaliate is a pretty big reason why some countries may boycott the next Olympics. The financial losses would be astronomical for the US, regardless of how many medals their athletes would win. I can't even begin to imagine what the security costs would be, too.

Olympics have been canceled 3 times, once during WW1 and twice during WW2. The next war maybe a war of attrition, not so much by decimating a countries infrastructure and military might but by destroying the morale of a country by the universal shunning of its population.