Canada, Greenland, Mexico, etc - USA Tariffs / Trade War commencing March 2025 #5

[LovesPeace2]

WestJet is probably the only one that could do it.

Flair was doing some to

 

[LovesPeace2]

Canadians Are Getting Candid About Why They'd Never, Ever Wanna Live In The US

"Americans are much more centered on their own wellbeing than that of society as a whole."

www.buzzfeed.com

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—36tza36

 

[PrairieWind]

Flair was doing some to

I think Flair is barely hanging on right now.

 

[Cedars]

WestJet is probably the only one that could do it.

Also, there just isn't the wide range of accommodations and services, suiting all the different price points and lifestyles, sitting empty, waiting for the millions of Canadians who otherwise go to Florida RV parks/National Forest sites, Disney, Las Vegas, Phoenix and Palm Springs golfing, etc.

I predict mass cabin fever next winter.

JMO

 

[otto]

You might see airlines offering cheap airfares from Canada to places like the Caribbean. The airlines are going to try to find ways to entice Canadians to travel to warmer climates during winter, so they can maintain their profits. Now that their tourist numbers to the US are significantly decreasing.

imo

The German and Canadian airline industry are already pivoting due to fewer people travelling to the USA.

"WestJet and Lufthansa Technik announced today that they have signed an exclusive agreement, in which Lufthansa Technik will provide engine maintenance services for the CFM International* LEAP-1B engines that power the airline's Boeing 737 fleet. The 15-year, multi-billion-dollar contract, is the largest in WestJet's 30-year history and followed a rigorous competitive global sourcing process.

As a world leader in aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO), Lufthansa Technik will establish a new engine repair station dedicated to servicing LEAP-1B engines for near-wing and quick-turn work. The facility will feature a modern test cell, the first-of-its-kind in Canada, for next generation engines and drive job creation in the region. Operations are set to begin in 2027, with WestJet as the launch customer.

WestJet and Lufthansa Technik sign multi-billion-dollar agreement for world-class aircraft engine maintenance services; new repair facility to be established in Calgary

/CNW/ - WestJet and Lufthansa Technik announced today that they have signed an exclusive agreement, in which Lufthansa Technik will provide engine maintenance...

www.newswire.ca

One reason for this partnership is that flight sales to the USA have dropped, and tariffs are a problem in the foreseeable future.

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[MelmothTheLost]

Also, there just isn't the wide range of accommodations and services, suiting all the different price points and lifestyles, sitting empty, waiting for the millions of Canadians who otherwise go to Florida RV parks/National Forest sites, Disney, Las Vegas, Phoenix and Palm Springs golfing, etc.

I predict mass cabin fever next winter.

JMO

I hadn't expected that the number of Canadians going south for winter would number in the millions. Maybe the large resorts in Mexico and the Dominican Republic could absorb many of them but I don't know how the smaller Caribbean islands would handle those sorts of numbers.

 

[LovesPeace2]

I think Flair is barely hanging on right now.

True that . Since last summer we won't use them. It took two weeks to get a flight home after they cancelled our return because of damaged plane then no staff

 

[otto]

I hadn't expected that the number of Canadians going south for winter would number in the millions. Maybe the large resorts in Mexico and the Dominican Republic could absorb many of them but I don't know how the smaller Caribbean islands would handle those sorts of numbers.

Many Western Canadian "snowbirds" own property in Mexico. They drive as quickly as possible through the USA to spend 5 months living in Mexico, then they return home.

Not all Canadian snowbirds go to the USA. If they sell their property in the USA, they will very likely buy in other countries like Mexico, Costa Rica ... where ever it's welcoming.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The German and Canadian airline industry are already pivoting due to fewer people travelling to the USA.

The water is already flowing round the rock ...

 

[otto]

The water is already flowing round the rock ...

When the deal was first announced, German representatives mentioned that due to USA government actions, they anticipated a continued long-term decline in flights to the USA. That was a factor in choosing a Canadian location ... as well as AME (aircraft maintenance engineering) training at the local Polytechnic.

Now that 18 and 19 year old female German tourists are being strip-searched prior to being turned away at the border, I think many Europeans will reconsider travel to the USA. Since it's evident that the girls were going to be turned away from the moment they got off the plane, the strip search is very questionable. They did nothing wrong, they were not carrying anything illegal, the strip search did not change anything ... so the strip search must have been for kicks and giggles.

 

[Cedars]

I hadn't expected that the number of Canadians going south for winter would number in the millions. Maybe the large resorts in Mexico and the Dominican Republic could absorb many of them but I don't know how the smaller Caribbean islands would handle those sorts of numbers.

Well, we'll see. People who want a resort experience never went to the USA anyway, they don't have all-inclusive resorts...

ETA: there was a long-standing joke that Canada should annex the Turks and Caicos, but I doubt that's going to come up these days...

Turks and Caicos: Canada's 11th Province?

History and timeline of the various proposed unions between Canada and the Turks and Caicos Islands, including recent developments.

www.visittci.com

 

[musicaljoke]

WestJet is probably the only one that could do it.

Porter also changed their flights and eliminated several US, east coast destinations, replacing them with Mexican and Caribbean places.

Porter Airlines scales back U.S. marketing 'as some Canadians may view this negatively'

What airlines are doing to navigate a drop in Canadian demand for U.S. travel.

nationalpost.com

 

[musicaljoke]

Many Western Canadian "snowbirds" own property in Mexico. They drive as quickly as possible through the USA to spend 5 months living in Mexico, then they return home.

Not all Canadian snowbirds go to the USA. If they sell their property in the USA, they will very likely buy in other countries like Mexico, Costa Rica ... where ever it's welcoming.

Portugal is a favourite destination for snowbirds in these parts.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Portugal is a favourite destination for snowbirds in these parts.

I have two friends who have gone there this month. I think it’s going to be more popular as people look for alternatives.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Portugal is a favourite destination for snowbirds in these parts.

That's interesting? The mainland or the islands (Madeira and the Azores)?

An up and coming area for tourism is Cape Verde, though it's still quite undeveloped. At least, it has come onto the radar of several of the UK's low cost airlines who are now promoting packages to the place.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I have two friends who have gone there this month. I think it’s going to be more popular as people look for alternatives.

Could look at Morocco, as well. Marrakesh is a bit touristy but there are other cities such as Fez, Tangier and Casablanca, as well as coastal resorts such as Agadir and Essaouira. It's also a former French colony so French is still quite widely spoken.

 

[PrairieWind]

Porter also changed their flights and eliminated several US, east coast destinations, replacing them with Mexican and Caribbean places.

Porter Airlines scales back U.S. marketing 'as some Canadians may view this negatively'

What airlines are doing to navigate a drop in Canadian demand for U.S. travel.

nationalpost.com

Porter uses mostly partner airlines to reach those destinations, not their own aircraft.

 

[Lilibet]

I have two friends who have gone there this month. I think it’s going to be more popular as people look for alternatives.

Americans are heading (escaping) to Portugal, not just for a vacation, but to live.

 

[gitana1]

All of this is very troubling to me. Two German girls just got arrested because ICE didn’t like that they had no hotels booked for their stay in Hawaii and believed they were going to work. They were jailed and strip-searched and ultimately deported to Japan for some reason.

We used to be a welcoming country.

I’m afraid myself to travel out of the country for fear of a mistake causing me to be detained. Obviously the risk is extremely small. But not non-existent and my worst fear is being imprisoned for any length of time! Even an hour.

 

[Herat]

When the deal was first announced, German representatives mentioned that due to USA government actions, they anticipated a continued long-term decline in flights to the USA. That was a factor in choosing a Canadian location ... as well as AME (aircraft maintenance engineering) training at the local Polytechnic.

Now that 18 and 19 year old female German tourists are being strip-searched prior to being turned away at the border, I think many Europeans will reconsider travel to the USA. Since it's evident that the girls were going to be turned away from the moment they got off the plane, the strip search is very questionable. They did nothing wrong, they were not carrying anything illegal, the strip search did not change anything ... so the strip search must have been for kicks and giggles.

I have a different take on the German teenagers refused entry to the US In Hawaii.

They were young ( 18 and 19) and inexperienced, having been on a gap year trip that so far only included Thailand and New Zealand. One had a B2 visa, the other was on the US Visa Waiver Program under the ESTA entry. Both of those allow potential US visitors to present themselves at US immigration for admission, but do not guarantee admission.

The requirements for admission to the US would have required proof of a documented exit ticket from the US within the time limits of their respective visits, proof of accommodation and tourism plans, and proof of funds to support themselves while in the US without working.

They had also been in an area of high-risk drug trafficking, especially Thailand, so they were potential targets for drug trafficking. That is why they would have had a strip-search and imaging studies.

Clearly, their plans for the US visit were very vague and they would not have had enough funds to support themselves without working, even as babysitters, cleaners, etc for cash, meals, lodging, or other barter payment. It used to be that many young europeans would travel doing seasonal work, especially in Australia or New Zealand. That is not the case in the US. People entering the US under a tourism status are specifcially prohibited from working. They also likely did not have purchased tickets for exit from the US, nor confirmed accommodations for either the Hawaii or California parts of their stays.

Trying to enter on a Visitor status and intending to work for wage or barter is considered Visa Fraud and will get you refused entry and returned on the next plane back to where your entry flight came from, with some very strong notes in your files about Visa Fraud that will make you inelligible to return to the US for at least 5 years, and possibly unable to enter other countries who would share the same rules about illegal work ( Costa Rica and Mexico being in that category).

Being young and stupid is no longer an excuse to violate the rules on visitor entry to the US. The laws they violated have been around for decades and are not unique to this current administration.