CANADA Canada - Lindsay Buziak, 24, Victoria, BC, 2 Feb 2008

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  • #581
Just throwing this out there for discussion. There's a theory out there that doesn't involve drugs/cartels: Lindsay had knowledge about high-level mortgage fraud in real estate. She knew too much and whoever set this up didn't think she could be trusted to keep quiet.

The Dateline episode The Dream House Mystery (first real comprehensive and in-depth coverage) had an expert panel who all agreed the person(s) behind this likely had ties to the real estate industry and possibly even worked in Lindsay's office. Worth a revisit for Dateline fans. I think it's also the only TV interview Jason and his mother Shirley did together. Here's part one of six.

Interesting Points from Dateline:

SZ's Contradictory Statements (Part 4, 1:36)
  • Claims Lindsay told her that she was afraid of ex boyfriend MM less than 24 hours before the murder
  • According to Dateline, SZ is the ONLY person Lindsay ever said this to
  • When asked why Lindsay was afraid, SZ seems caught off guard and replies: "I don't think she really got into the details"
  • Dateline interviewer sounds skeptical, noting "SZ is the mother of the man who was once considered the prime suspect" (Part 4, 2:15)
  • According to Dateline, Lindsay and MM "had already been apart for two years and both had moved on to new relationships" and hadn't had contact for months prior to her murder
The MM Interview - Major Contradictions
  • MM admits that he and Lindsay had a stormy relationship but denies any abuse (Part 4, 2:44)
  • Lindsay's close friends said that she was actually thinking of leaving JZ and going back to MM (Part 4, 3:28)
  • Lindsay missed MM and considered him to be her "Mr.Big" à la Sex in the City
  • This contradicts SZ's statement.
  • MM denies any involvement in Lindsay's murder (Part 4, 1:25) and had an alibi
The Dateline episode also featured a panel of highly regarded and experienced professionals:
  • Dwayne Stanton - Homicide Detective
  • Yolanda McClary - Crime Scene Investigator
  • Alan Jackson - Attorney
Expert Analysis (Part 6, 1:58)
All experts agree:
  • Killer knew Lindsay
  • Same business, possibly same real estate firm
  • The actual killers (man and woman) likely have violent criminal histories
  • Man/woman team is unusual and makes the case more complex
  • NOT professional hit: Crime showed "a level of panic" and "unsophistication"
  • One expert: "I call it planned, not necessarily professional, but planned"
  • How it gets solved? All agree: someone needs to come forward.
  • One expert confidently states: "This case isn't going to be solved on forensic evidence, this case is going to be solved by loose lips" (Part 4, 3:27)
 
  • #582
Danaya said:
Just throwing this out there for discussion. There's a theory out there that doesn't involve drugs/cartels: Lindsay had knowledge about high-level mortgage fraud in real estate. She knew too much and whoever set this up didn't think she could be trusted to keep quiet.

The Dateline episode The Dream House Mystery (first real comprehensive and in-depth coverage) had an expert panel who all agreed the person(s) behind this likely had ties to the real estate industry and possibly even worked in Lindsay's office. Worth a revisit for Dateline fans. I think it's also the only TV interview Jason and his mother Shirley did together. Here's part one of six.

Interesting Points from Dateline:

SZ's Contradictory Statements (Part 4, 1:36)
  • Claims Lindsay told her that she was afraid of ex boyfriend MM less than 24 hours before the murder
  • According to Dateline, SZ is the ONLY person Lindsay ever said this to
  • When asked why Lindsay was afraid, SZ seems caught off guard and replies: "I don't think she really got into the details"
  • Dateline interviewer sounds skeptical, noting "SZ is the mother of the man who was once considered the prime suspect" (Part 4, 2:15)
  • According to Dateline, Lindsay and MM "had already been apart for two years and both had moved on to new relationships" and hadn't had contact for months prior to her murder
The MM Interview - Major Contradictions
  • MM admits that he and Lindsay had a stormy relationship but denies any abuse (Part 4, 2:44)
  • Lindsay's close friends said that she was actually thinking of leaving JZ and going back to MM (Part 4, 3:28)
  • Lindsay missed MM and considered him to be her "Mr.Big" à la Sex in the City
  • This contradicts SZ's statement.
  • MM denies any involvement in Lindsay's murder (Part 4, 1:25) and had an alibi
The Dateline episode also featured a panel of highly regarded and experienced professionals:
  • Dwayne Stanton - Homicide Detective
  • Yolanda McClary - Crime Scene Investigator
  • Alan Jackson - Attorney
Expert Analysis (Part 6, 1:58)
All experts agree:
  • Killer knew Lindsay
  • Same business, possibly same real estate firm
  • The actual killers (man and woman) likely have violent criminal histories
  • Man/woman team is unusual and makes the case more complex
  • NOT professional hit: Crime showed "a level of panic" and "unsophistication"
  • One expert: "I call it planned, not necessarily professional, but planned"
  • How it gets solved? All agree: someone needs to come forward.
  • One expert confidently states: "This case isn't going to be solved on forensic evidence, this case is going to be solved by loose lips" (Part 4, 3:27)
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ITA, if you take the whole drug/cartel out of it altogether I think it can definitely swing the other way.

I think very possible someone was scamming, skimming, laundering money through that office or tied to someone in it. Friend? Lover? Family?

I can't shake this crime has a woman's touch - in planning and possibly the actual murder. It's over the top. Extremely calculated.

The "Mexican" accents might have been a red herring to make it seem drug/cartel. The reason Lindsay wanted back up with the couple is because she probably instinctually thought the accent sounded fake.

The dress and the wig, not to sound sexist but I seriously think that's details a women would think to do, not cartel or 🤬🤬🤬🤬 drug dealers.

It does seem personal. Rage, jealousy, someone stewing and having contempt for a long time.

I have super interested in this theory especially when JZ's best friend (who was at Lindsay's birthday) was charged with fraud but he's in another country so they can't prosecute IIRC....

Do you have someone in mind?
 
  • #583
Lalalacasbah said:
Do you have someone in mind?
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For the planner or for the killers? I think it's fairly obvious who would've ordered the hit in this theory. It was someone with a lot to lose. In their mind, the perceived benefit of having Lindsay murdered outweighed the risk — and it was very risky.
 
  • #584
Lalalacasbah said:
You think he lied about who he suspects? Or other facts?

I've read his blog, but haven't in a few years. I used to read it all the time hoping a break would happen.

I am frustrated this case hasn't been solved. I am foggy on details and can't remember what DNA they got from this crime. Now with familial DNA being used to solve crimes, I wonder if it could happen here.

I'm Canadian but no idea if we are using that technology here or not, I've seen in US but unsure we use it here.
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<bbm>

Yes it is used in Canada, and the case of Gerald Derocher is just one example of the many being solved by Othram HERE.
 
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  • #586
Danaya said:
For the planner or for the killers? I think it's fairly obvious who would've ordered the hit in this theory. It was someone with a lot to lose. In their mind, the perceived benefit of having Lindsay murdered outweighed the risk — and it was very risky.
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I am torn if I think the couple did the actual killing or someone was hiding and waiting upstairs in that room. Then that would make 3 people at the scene. I am also torn if the planner was at/inside the house and part of it.

There's kinda two white collar groups I think are capable and had motive. One group is a family, the other thought I had was an actual couple possibly or business partners with ties to real estate and/or the office.

The only reason I think no one has talked is because it's a family bond or a lovers/business partnership bond. But if no longer lovers, maybe someone would've talked by now. I go all over with this case! MOO JMO
 
  • #587
  • #588
Sillybilly said:
<bbm>

Yes it is used in Canada, and the case of Gerald Derocher is just one example of the many being solved by Othram HERE.
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Oh that's wonderful! I'm not up to date with the tech news and the crimes. Very wild stuff, so nice for the families.
 
  • #589
  • #590
Danaya said:
Unfortunately, I don't think they have enough viable DNA for genetic genealogy. In 2021 they retested items found at the crime scene but nothing ever came of it.
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That is so frustrating. I still don't get how that was possible.

There must've been so much blood and to think the killer's hand didn't slip on a knife? I think LE know the weapon. Wonder if a hunting type knife or what... I had wondered if the killer wore a hazmat suit, they must've.
 
  • #591
Lalalacasbah said:
I am torn if I think the couple did the actual killing or someone was hiding and waiting upstairs in that room. Then that would make 3 people at the scene. I am also torn if the planner was at/inside the house and part of it.

There's kinda two white collar groups I think are capable and had motive. One group is a family, the other thought I had was an actual couple possibly or business partners with ties to real estate and/or the office.

The only reason I think no one has talked is because it's a family bond or a lovers/business partnership bond. But if no longer lovers, maybe someone would've talked by now. I go all over with this case! MOO JMO
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I think it was just the two - the man and woman alone with Lindsay. The woman was there to make Lindsay feel safer and give the impression of a couple. Based on statistics and strength, the man likely did the actual killing. The woman may have helped restrain her or was backup.

Possibly only three people total - the planner and the couple - though I go back and forth as well. LE has said people in the community have knowledge, which implies more could be involved.

Lalalacasbah said:
That is so frustrating. I still don't get how that was possible.

There must've been so much blood and to think the killer's hand didn't slip on a knife? I think LE know the weapon. Wonder if a hunting type knife or what... I had wondered if the killer wore a hazmat suit, they must've.
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I don't think they wore hazmat suits because the eyewitness described their clothing in detail, and they were in and out too quickly. Since Lindsay let them walk behind her up the stairs I don't think she suspected they were going to do anything to her. If they changed into hazmat suits then I imagine she would've left immediately.

The killer likely brought gloves and put them on as they went upstairs. I think that they had planned in advance where they would attack her. They probably knew the layout of the house, maybe even studied it. They knew she would be most vulnerable with her back turned to them and that the upstairs afforded them more privacy.

I think they chose the staircase because striking when Lindsay was unsuspecting and unable to defend herself was key. Less resistance means less chance of DNA under fingernails, from bites, or from cuts. Not sure what knife was used, but they may have left it at the scene - better than being caught with it. Or else they dumped it somewhere. A small, compact knife that fits in a coat pocket would work if you know where to stab.
 
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