Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #10

[MistyWaters]

Has it been reported anywhere that Leonard Dyck had maps and camping gear? I don't recall seeing that anywhere. He could have used map app and stayed in hotels.

No but neither has it been reported the boys took camping gear with them which they wouldn’t really require considering they set out in a truck that was outfitted with a camper on it.

 

[Seattle1]

dbm

 

[MesquiteO21]

There's no rush. RCMP can take as much time as they need to process the evidence.

no rush, just pure curiosity why one would be formally charged and not the other

 

[10ofRods]

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Has it been reported anywhere that Leonard Dyck had maps and camping gear? I don't recall seeing that anywhere. He could have used map app and stayed in hotels.

Well, CBC reports it was a camping trip, for which he was known. He was 1700km from home on a "camping trip" so I assume he had camping gear:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ck-ubc-vancouver-dead-dease-lake-bc-1.5224982

Definitely could have been using apps, though. Although...as a botanist, I personally can't imagine that he had no paper maps (unless this was more of a recreational trip). But it's still possible. He could have known the area like the back of his hand, as another alternative. Still, if he wanted to mark where he found particular plants, he'd have topo maps or a downloaded map (no word at all on whether he had a phone in the first place).

On the same topic, though, is there cell service all along that road? Or just in the towns? I keep reading here that cell service is very spotty in places.

 

[SBurrus]

Ok...I am getting really confused now. When did the story change about the alcohol checkpoint and the observation of a box with maps and other things? Now, it appears there were no maps.

In that pic of Kam linked on a previous page of the thread...he certainly appears to be a nice young man, incapable of participating in three murders. (I am familiar enough with the subject of murder to know you can't always go by appearances). I just can't wrap my head around the fact that these two teenagers did all the horrible things they are being accused of.

WHERE ARE THEY????

 

[dotr]

RCMP update to come: 16 days since first bodies found in northern B.C.
Mounties are expected to provide an update on a nation-wide manhunt for a pair of teenage murder suspects still missing more than two weeks after the investigation began.

The RCMP scheduled a news conference Wednesday out of Gillam, a small Manitoba community about 3,000 kilometres from the remote stretch of northern B.C. highway where the search began.

• The news conference will be streamed live at 1 p.m. on CTVNewsVancouver.ca.

 

[MesquiteO21]

RCMP update to come: 16 days since first bodies found in northern B.C.
Mounties are expected to provide an update on a nation-wide manhunt for a pair of teenage murder suspects still missing more than two weeks after the investigation began.

The RCMP scheduled a news conference Wednesday out of Gillam, a small Manitoba community about 3,000 kilometres from the remote stretch of northern B.C. highway where the search began.

• The news conference will be streamed live at 1 p.m. on CTVNewsVancouver.ca.

i hope there's new info to share and won't just be a rehashing of 'we followed up on the lead and weren't able to find anything'

 

[musicaljoke]

No need to be discouraged, experts say, as expansive hunt for B.C. fugitives drags on

Police likely keeping vital intel to themselves, law enforcement experts say.

"Lenny DePaul said there is more to the police pursuit than officers combing the bush around Gillam, Man., about 740 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg, on foot.

"You've got a fugitive investigation behind the scenes — they're looking at everybody," said DePaul, who once led the U.S. Marshal Fugitive Task Force, which hunted the worst U.S. fugitives.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mani...-expansive-hunt-b-c-homicide-gillam-1.5229822

 

[Moriarty]

So, in the collective experience of those here, what happens in the event these two are never found? Investigations will take place regarding the deceased and the evidence LE has. Would we just never hear about the evidence or the case built against the perps? I want to know more and I hope this doesn't end without answers provided.

good question. strictly seeing how other cold cases have worked, the vast majority of evidence/information is going to remain on lockdown in the event they are ever found alive and go to trial. However...it's *maybe* possible that at some point they'd release a little bit more info if they felt it could be relevant to finding them. I've seen that happen in other old unsolved cases. But it would just be up to the the investigators and prosecutors' judgment, so it's also possible nothing at all would ever be released.

I wonder if the big MSM will be able to FOIP (seek a freedom of information request) some details, at least involving the search itself? This manhunt has cost a bit of money and being Canada, there will be some sort of inquiry or panel or commission looking into what happened, etc. Maybe a few details might be gleaned from that sort of information...

 

[Gina20]

Has it been reported anywhere that Leonard Dyck had maps and camping gear? I don't recall seeing that anywhere. He could have used map app and stayed in hotels.

His friend referred to "these camping trips of his".

 

[musicaljoke]

DBM .. probably wrong info

 

[tcfpne]

apologies if this has already been discussed at length - hard to keep up and i was having trouble accessing the site yesterday. i'm curious why they've been formally charged in LD's death, but are still described as just POIs in LF's and CD's deaths. Anyone know what's up with that?

The 2 were charged with LD's death because they were seen driving the car he was using, regardless of where LD got the Rav4, loaned to him or his own vehicle. As we know LD was found dead and then the 2 idiots are seen driving it.

LF and CD were shot dead, but were seen arguing with the bearded man who was standing in the middle of the road just to yell at the couple.
So the 2 idiots are considered POI in the couple's death because they may know something, or may even know the bearded man.

MOO from here: The silence from RCMP is absolutely insane! I understand that its an investigation, but it may be time for them to start revealing details because so far the RCMP provided ZERO proof of any kind that CD and LF were killed by the two, the fact that LD was killed in proximity means nothing. I figure the RCMP got no clue on what is really going on, sure seems like it.

Because of RCMP's insane silence I figure this: Bearded man is super angry standing in the middle of the road just to yell, ends up killing LF and CD. Witness account sure seems like bearded man was unhinged in some way. The two suspects simply happened to be close enough to the committed crime. RCMP has not charged them in the couple's death because there is nothing linking them.

Short version of the events as I see them: 2 dudes go to find work, turns out its not that simple, they are driving back, their truck veers off the road and is in flames, they are super angry, all their items, belonging, are gone. They happen upon LD, whom they kill in a fit of rage, unplanned murder but murder nonetheless. They realize what they've done, figure its fine to tell the man helping their names because its still "not that bad", maybe they find out they are wanted in connection with LF CD murder and now are on the run from authorities. Maybe the 2 are so dumb that going to the authorities to admit rage killing LD is scary and they run from consequences. Meanwhile bearded man kills innocent couple and laughs all the way while these 2 are chased by RCMP.

ITS UP TO THE RCMP TO PROVE ME WRONG. NO EVIDENCE, NO COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC IS INEXCUSABLE.

 

[afitzy]

No need to be discouraged, experts say, as expansive hunt for B.C. fugitives drags on

Police likely keeping vital intel to themselves, law enforcement experts say.

"Lenny DePaul said there is more to the police pursuit than officers combing the bush around Gillam, Man., about 740 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg, on foot.

"You've got a fugitive investigation behind the scenes — they're looking at everybody," said DePaul, who once led the U.S. Marshal Fugitive Task Force, which hunted the worst U.S. fugitives.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mani...-expansive-hunt-b-c-homicide-gillam-1.5229822

This makes total sense IMO. The US fugitive on the run hasn't been discussed by the RCMP or the FBI so far either. Wonder if he could be the player in this story to be named later? MOO

 

[ladysamurai]

Between the cryptic Garda statement and the news conference scheduled at 11AM Pacific time, I do have a faint hope they have been apprehended. RAV4 burnt about 10 days ago, if they had backpacks with the "10 Essentials" recommended for folks in the backcountry--food, extra clothing, shelter, navigation aids, etc.--they could probably have stayed alive this long. Water, the key necessity, is not an issue in the area they fled to, so that greatly reduces the load they'd have to lug. Giving them some credit for survival skills, I think they could make it for a few more weeks as well--but subject to growing weaker, injuries,illness--not to mention media withdrawal. That alone is the likeliest reason for them to turn themselves in.

 

[10ofRods]

If they are not found, the case will remain open. We may never know more than we know now.

I so agree. And I do think the story still needs to be told. I was trying to recount the story to someone yesterday (who had more than an hour to kill and asked many good questions). I barely got through the first section of the story, and so many more questions came up.

One aspect that hasn't been covered here, as much as it could be, is the gaming aspect. In the end, that may be one of the main ways that this story gets refocused and retold.

21 hours ago RCMP Manitoba tweeted that it wanted to remind the public that they believe the two may have received unintentional assistance and are out of the area...but it's a big "if."

The other aspect would be the alleged political "ideologies" that Bryer may have espoused. Someone will write about that at some point in future, even as only a footnote to some other crime story.

 

[Floy1]

The RCMP scheduled a news conference Wednesday out of Gillam, a small Manitoba community about 3,000 kilometres from the remote stretch of northern B.C. highway where the search began.

• The news conference will be streamed live at 1 p.m. on CTVNewsVancouver.ca.

That is about 2-and-a-half hour from now, right? The different time zones are really confusing to me, sorry for asking and thanks for a reply, you'd help me a lot

 

[Peace777]

I'm wondering if there was no camping gear in the vehicle when they were observed and searched at Split Lake could they have set up camp somewhere before they got to that location? I think the whole purpose of going into Gillam was to burn that vehicle, double back through the woods to where a camp had been setup prior, leaving a false trail. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

no rush, just pure curiosity why one would be formally charged and not the other

IIRC the RCMP communication officer mentioned something additional time required to formally file charges against the suspects due to the greater complexity involved the murders of L and C. Or that might’ve been my assumption.....but given the truck and camper was found only 2km from LD’s body and assumably then the two took off in the vehicle he was driving, the incriminating evidence involved in each crime would be quite different.

 

[Seattle1]

July 30, 2019
[...]

'They were just telling me 'sorry'. I asked them where they came from. 'Vancouver' they told me. They looked scared.

'I spoke to the one with the mustache, Kam McLeod. He just kept saying, 'Sorry'. They didn't say where they were going.'

Saunders said he and his partner then inspected the vehicle.

'I told them I was going to do a quick search, and then I searched up,' Saunders said. 'They kept looking at each other. There was a couple of boxes in the back.'

Saunders only found survival gear and maps when he searched the car. He did not see any weaponry.

Saunders said, 'I told them to stop next time there's a situation like this, and they said 'yep' and 'sorry', and they went. They pulled into town, got some gas, then went. They were heading up towards Gillam.'

The pair did head to Gillam, a small town 100 miles east of Split Lake. The stolen RAV4 was discovered burnt out there on July 23.

As safety officers are unarmed and have no bullet-proof vests, Saunders said he felt he also had a close brush with death that day.

[...]

Saunder's cousin, Split Lake town councilor Robert Spence, described how the safety officers, also known as band constables, found nothing in the alleged killers' car.

He told DailyMailTV, 'Morgan was talking to the thinner one, Schmegelsky. He was quiet. Morgan said that they'd have to take a look around, check their vehicle for alcohol or drugs.

'But looking at the vehicle that they were driving in, the constable said all that was in there was survival gear, blankets and a lot of maps.

'They said that they were just going to come into the community, fuel up and head back out.'

Councillor Spence added that he believed the safety officers, unaware of the teens' alleged murder spree, were lucky to walk away with their lives.

'They were pretty freaked out about it. They said that anything could have happened, especially two constables that weren't equipped or supplied with personal protective gear,' he told DailyMailTV.

'[Spence and Saunders were] dressed just like you and I, just regular clothes, no uniforms, no guns, no pepper spray, no batons, no nothing,' he added.

'All they do is stop the vehicle traffic coming into the community checking for alcohol and drugs. They were pretty damn lucky they didn't get shot or killed for stopping those two individuals.'

Canadian safety officer describes letting teen serial killer suspects go after traffic stop | Daily Mail Online

 

[Moonlitnight]

In that pic of Kam linked on a previous page of the thread...he certainly appears to be a nice young man, incapable of participating in three murders. (I am familiar enough with the subject of murder to know you can't always go by appearances). I just can't wrap my head around the fact that these two teenagers did all the horrible things they are being accused of.

Neither can I. I guess the RCMP must be keeping a lot to themselves regarding Chynna and Lucas's murder. Nothing about this case makes the remotest bit of sense to me. It is as if half the "story" is missing.