Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #10

[minn77]

Following this story on Twitter and in the news is like the old school game of telephone we used to play as kids so our teachers could show us how quickly a story changes from o e person to the next

 

[Wizardofwaz]

Ctv news channel has Kapuskasking listed it as a possible sighting. Unconfirmed.

 

[otto]

Did you seriously just suggest that opinions of people with mental health issues should not have their opinions taken seriously?

By the way, I noticed this the other day, on the RCMP website:

"Major Crime Units: Supervise, investigate and assist with cases of homicides, attempted murders, suspicious deaths, member-involved deaths (police shootings, cell deaths), missing persons (where foul play is suspected), or any other serious or sensitive occurrence such as serial sexual assault investigations."

So the fact that Major Crime Units was investigating doesn't tell us anything above the fact that it was a suspicious death, because that's one of the things they investigate.

Source: Crime Investigations - Royal Canadian Mounted Police

I seriously suggested that men who have little contact with their children have a limited ability to speak on their behalf.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

People, please !!

Took about 3 clicks to get a history on the guy who owns the TR**** site. Please check out your sources before bringing unreliable information to Websleuths.

Mainstream Media = MSM
Examples: The Globe & Mail, Toronto Star, Vancouver Sun, CTV, CBC

If you have never heard of something like ABBCDZZ run by a guy named Lord Knows Who or similar, then you can be pretty sure it's not going to be MSM.

I’ll be, moderators have a sense of humour

 

[10ofRods]

As Harry Nilsson said, "People hear what they wanna hear, and they see what they wanna see, dig?"

 

[Sillybilly]

I’ll be, moderators have a sense of humour

No We Don't !!

 

[Xyzzia]

I was doing some more search of information in the Gillam area and I was really interested especially in the river that runs up past Gillam to York Landing / port Nelson.
There is a boating Adventure tour company that runs the river. I posted a link I found it quite interesting
Nelson River Adventures | FAQ

I'm wondering if them young guys started on foot and then started following the River North. Maybe just by foot but following the river that is something that people are usually taught when they're lost in the bushes - find a river and follow it that usually leads somewhere. So anyway... I got to thinking that maybe they followed the river and maybe they got caught in the river and parished.

 

[tcfpne]

I’m genuinely surprised that we haven’t had a ton of false sightings by now.

All of Canada is looking for these guys, and you’d expect law enforcement to be flooded with tips and sightings of people who are not actually them.

Think about how often this happens in a single missing persons case.

I imagine we’re not hearing the half of it, but still.

I mentioned a while back that people I talked to haven't even heard about this (in Toronto), still not enough people are aware that this is happening.
Only CBC and CP24 mention this case - and these guys might have been seen in Ontario.

"Two murder suspects might be in Ontario!" "Never heard of this"

I wonder what else the MSM can do to bring these guys more into the spotlight that recognizing them is easier.
Maybe its time for those old-timey WANTED posters. Or offer a money reward for their capture in hopes that someone might reveal something that will help LE locate them.

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No We Don't !!

But your name is sillybilly

 

[Moriarty]

Following this story on Twitter and in the news is like the old school game of telephone we used to play as kids so our teachers could show us how quickly a story changes from o e person to the next

I have actually found this aspect of this whole sordid thing almost as fascinating as the criminal part: the false reportings of sightings, the idiot twitter accounts claiming to be friends of these two guys or loving Bryer, the way one paraphrased quotation becomes the next media outlets solid quotation....even on here as one comment gets repeated slightly differently and then becomes gospel...it's really interesting watching how our shared knowledge-base morphs and coalesces...

 

[WtfHappened]

Were B.C. killings planned in advance? Criminologist has doubts

 

[scrappinkat]

I'm pretty sure these teens were not sitting around a campfire being lazy. They were practicing the "art of war" and were mastering camouflage, as per BS's father's interview.

I don't exactly consider harassing a game opponents with personal information until they capitulate to be any kind of nice social activity. That's what KS would do, according to someone who knows him.

On one hand we see people saying that due to his mental illness we can’t trust anything the father says, but then on the other hand other people think he’s 100% spot on. I think the truth is most likely in the middle.

As for the gaming style - in online gaming there’s definitely players who are all trash talk, who use it to try and win or keep any advantage. They’ve gone online specifically to win a game not be nice.

 

[Badgerette]

Maybe this was discussed and I missed it, but do we know when the photo reportedly from social media w/ the swastika armband was supposedly taken? Is it recent? I ask because it looks like there’s some sort of instant food packet off to the top, perhaps showing some sort of packing/premeditation/prepping if it is in fact some sort of mre. I’m not a whiz in enhancing photos but I can see it says boeuf and other writing, white with blue lettering. Just thinking aloud.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Kapuskasing Weather (Temperatures in Celsius).

Current: 22°

Tonight: Partly cloudy. Becoming clear this evening. Wind west 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 10.

Kapuskasing, ON - 7 Day Forecast - Environment Canada

 

[MistyWaters]

Were B.C. killings planned in advance? Criminologist has doubts

From your link -

“While police have shared few details about what led to the deaths of Leonard Dyck, Chynna Deese and Lucas Fowler this month in B.C.'s north, Gordon said the publicly available evidence doesn't point to a planned-out killing spree.

For one thing, there has been no sign of violence since the last body was discovered on July 19.

"That's been the end of it," Gordon said. "(The suspects) made a dash to get away from the scenes of the crimes, and they've crossed over two provinces and into a third, and that says to me that they're two young men seeking survival and escape."

Instead, Gordon speculated the series of killings might have started with a robbery that went awry, which led to more violence as the suspects made a desperate attempt to switch vehicles and evade justice.

"I think they're classic fugitives," Gordon said. "Realizing the enormity of what they'd done, they then decide to make a run for it, 'Thelma and Louise'-style."...”

 

[MassGuy]

Were B.C. killings planned in advance? Criminologist has doubts

Solid insight.

I think he makes a valid point, that these murders may have happened during robbery gone wrong.

I think the first murders were that, while the murder of LD may have been practical (for them).

They’d already committed a double murder, and they didn’t want to leave a living witness to yet another robbery.

What’s one more? As they possibly saw it.

I also agree with his assessment that one of these guys might be more prone to violence than the other, and he is influencing the other one in that regard.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I was doing some more search of information in the Gillam area and I was really interested especially in the river that runs up past Gillam to York Landing / port Nelson.
There is a boating Adventure tour company that runs the river. I posted a link I found it quite interesting
Nelson River Adventures | FAQ

I'm wondering if them young guys started on foot and then started following the River North. Maybe just by foot but following the river that is something that people are usually taught when they're lost in the bushes - find a river and follow it that usually leads somewhere. So anyway... I got to thinking that maybe they followed the river and maybe they got caught in the river and parished.

The gentleman who runs that Gillam tour operation is Manitoba Hydro electrician Clint Sawchuk, who has been interviewed by the CBC and the NY Times on conditions in the bush.

He runs a 21’ jet boat 145km/90 miles up the Nelson to Hudson Bay. If you look at his site, you’ll find a link to text and photos from someone who has done the trip with him. Looks like the Nelson is easily passable from Gillam to Hudson Bay, and you’d be going with the current.

 

[tmar]

Canadian police say military pulling out of search for teens


2 hrs ago
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Canadian police said Wednesday the military is pulling out of the search for two teenagers suspected of killing three people and launching a manhunt using helicopters, drones, boats and dogs that has lasted nine days and stretched across three provinces in the country's remote north.
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Royal Canadian Mounted Police Insp. Kevin Lewis said the force has decided they no longer needed military assistance. At one point a military Hercules aircraft was used in the search.

"We want to again be focused with our own resources and determine where we should go from here," Lewis said.
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Ground and air searches will continue around Gillam, Manitoba, the last place Schmegelsky and McLeod were confirmed to have been seen. A vehicle that had been used by the suspects was found burned last week near the town, about 660 miles (1,100 kilometer) north of Winnipeg.

The hunt involves 40 police. RCMP also said they will be returning to Fox Lake Cree Nation, where they have previously done door-to-door searches.


On Tuesday, police abandoned their search for the pair in York Landing, a small community near Gillam. The search was prompted by a tip from a neighborhood watch group, but police said there were no sign of the teenagers.

People familiar with the area in northern Manitoba being searched in recent days says the terrain is dense and swampy, and inhabited by wildlife like bears and swarms of insects.

 

[SiciC]

I'm pretty sure these teens were not sitting around a campfire being lazy. They were practicing the "art of war" and were mastering camouflage, as per BS's father's interview.

I don't exactly consider harassing a game opponents with personal information until they capitulate to be any kind of nice social activity. That's what KS would do, according to someone who knows him.

Yeah in the first interview with Bryer's father, before they were named as suspects and still considered missing, he suggests that Bryer and Kam might have witnessed something and could be camouflaging themselves in the woods cause they "know how to hide", from all their practice playing war games with their air soft gun for years. He was right, they sure do know how to hide....

 

[MistyWaters]

On one hand we see people saying that due to his mental illness we can’t trust anything the father says, but then on the other hand other people think he’s 100% spot on. I think the truth is most likely in the middle.

As for the gaming style - in online gaming there’s definitely players who are all trash talk, who use it to try and win or keep any advantage. They’ve gone online specifically to win a game not be nice.

When the father was interviewed, July 24th media report, he predicted his son would die in a police confrontation “today or tomorrow” and he was tearfully offering his goodbyes. That didn’t occur so I don’t think there’s any reason whatsoever to put heavy weight on “a blaze of glory”. What he’s referring to is plain and simple “suicide by cop”. How death through that means involves any association to “glory”, I guess only the father can say.

Father of suspect in 3 B.C. deaths expects son will go out in 'blaze of glory'
“....Alan Schmegelsky said he expects his son will die in a confrontation with police.

“He's on a suicide mission. He wants his pain to end,” he said, breaking down into tears. “Basically, he's going to be dead today or tomorrow. I know that. Rest in peace, Bryer. I love you. I'm so sorry all this had to happen.”...”

 

[Spellbound]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/murder-suspect-sightings-not-confirmed-1.5231952
CBC News · Posted: Jul 31, 2019 3:39 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago

Ontario Provincial Police in northeastern Ontario confirm they have received calls of possible sightings of two men wanted in connection with three homicides in British Columbia, but police add none of those sightings have been confirmed.

Authorities are continuing to search for fugitives Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky. The two were last seen in northern Manitoba near Gillam more than a week ago.

OPP Constable Michelle Coulombe says police in northeastern Ontario have received reports of two possible sightings: one near Iron Bridge and another near Kapuskasing.


On Wednesday, police got a report about a suspicious white vehicle driven through a construction zone on Highway 11 in Kapuskasing around 10:30 a.m. (similar descriptions to suspects, only witness was a flag person)