Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #10

[Diezelmonster]

It’s shocking to me how anyone in Canada could not have heard about this by now! But I don’t usually watch the news either so I can’t really say much

I don't have cable, only have the internet and I still heard about it! Was shocking to me as well.

 

[Seattle1]

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In today’s copy of @theage - an insight into how one of Canada’s biggest manhunts feels on the ground.@9NewsAUS

4:03 PM - 31 Jul 2019 pst

 

[otto]

Someone asked the question about how its possible to travel for long distances without been seen. Its interesting if the 2 suspects made it to No. Ontario after their prior cross country trek. I am trying to figure out how these 2 (if not dead of course) could have possibly done another long trek with no confirmed reports.

Don't know the gas bar/station situation in remote areas so have a question.

Do stations keep their pumps on 24/7 even if the station might not be staffed? I know policies on this vary by location and some countries permit it and other don't allow it, so wondered if it would be possible to schedule gas stops when people simply weren't around and stations were unstaffed? I know this wouldn't avoid the camera issue but unless someone is looking at the overnight footage then who is to say who was at the station overnight?

Alberta and BC are pay-before-you-pump provinces. Gas pumps are turned off when gas stations are closed.

 

[puppyraiser]

Have to feel bad for any pairs of younger males who may be driving together anywhere in Canada right now. And for LE, who are probably getting swamped with possible sighting. Those adrenaline rushes can be hard on the body.

 

[KR72]

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A multi-tool, like a Swiss Army Knife.

 

[Gardenista]

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A tool with multiple uses

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[1987]

they could just take gas out of any car that was parked if it didn't have a locking gas cap.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

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Great points. And I keep wondering what kinds of cameras these places have. If they have them. Some send dozens and dozens of motion-activated .mov files per day - who looks at those? Even if there are fugitives, some workers are just not going to look. Others just record the files and no one ever even gets a notification. Then they re-record in 48 hours.

Someone would have to be really dedicated to viewing all that CCTV footage daily, I"d think. Gas station attendants don't really do that.

There are independent gas stations that don’t have cameras at all. Neither of the stations near my summer home in rural Newfoundland have cameras. It would take an alert cashier (you pump your own gas) to recognise these guys when they come inside to pay.

 

[tabitha111]

Map- Gilliam to Kapuskasing

 

[BearCatSafari]

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Great points. And I keep wondering what kinds of cameras these places have. If they have them. Some send dozens and dozens of motion-activated .mov files per day - who looks at those? Even if there are fugitives, some workers are just not going to look. Others just record the files and no one ever even gets a notification. Then they re-record in 48 hours.

Someone would have to be really dedicated to viewing all that CCTV footage daily, I"d think. Gas station attendants don't really do that.

I work at a place that is entirely on camera 24/7. All of it gets stored on a hard drive with the exception of small snippets of time on certain cameras not being recorded during the wee hours in order to save a little storage space.

On multiple occasions I've worked with police to give them our footage. They only come asking for film if there's a reason to.

If there's no reason to suspect a person is in a certain place, that footage never gets looked at. So, in theory, they could very well be on film somewhere they weren't expected to be and no one would ever know because no one will come looking.

P.S. - Yes I know it's digital and not film but I still say film because I was born in a certain time period.

 

[afitzy]

Alberta and BC are pay-before-you-pump provinces. Gas pumps are turned off when gas stations are closed.

Interesting rules. I would have thought in remote areas that it would be 24/7 available. So they might have to be lugging around gas cans or stealing it as they move around, assuming they have a vehicle of course.

 

[Diezelmonster]

I have travelled quite far into the northern parts of Ontario and as far as I've gone there are rest stations that are open 24/7

Lots of long haul trucking gets done in Ontario so they have to be available. Kapuskasing and Timmins and places like Thunder Bay all have 24 hour gas stations. And 99% have a pay at the pump option. There is VERY little full service in Ontario anymore and those are usually in higher end neighbourhoods and cities.

I live in a big city and I can think of only one major gas station that closes and 2 family owned ones that are attached to a garage. That's it.

The farther you get north they are spread out by a 100 or so kilometers but they are there. CCTV sure but I doubt anyone has a clue who these guys are up that far. But speculation by me again.

 

[ladysamurai]

Can you show him this photo where you can see the keys better?

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A mysterious sighting in the Manitoba manhunt—and then the trail goes cold - Macleans.ca

Yes, the two large keys on top of each other look like the valet and regular key for a Toyota RAV4--we used to own one, a year 2000 model. The key with the larger rectangular "hole" that the keyring passes through would be the valet key.

 

[Diezelmonster]

Just a quick rudimentary search

https://www.google.com/search?q=gas...ourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#istate=lrl:xpd

 

[Seattle1]

I wouldn't put anything past these guys at this point but what are the chances they could drive all the way from northern MB to eastern Ontario (around 2000km) without being seen even once along the way, at a gas station or on the road or anything.. They were spotted several times on their first journey to Gillam - The Cold Lake incident, the Co-op surveillance, the checkstop guys, the gas station in Split Lake.. I think the "sighting" by the construction worker is very likely false. Why would they be driving around in plain sight during the day & flashing guns at people when they're on the run/in hiding
jmo

Did you see the photo of where they were driving in Cold Lake when they got stuck ? It wasn't even a road! And this was before they were media headlines.

No, I don't believe they are cruising construction zones, flipping workers off. MOO

 

[FactFinder3000]

When the father was interviewed, July 24th media report, he predicted his son would die in a police confrontation “today or tomorrow” and he was tearfully offering his goodbyes. That didn’t occur so I don’t think there’s any reason whatsoever to put heavy weight on “a blaze of glory”. What he’s referring to is plain and simple “suicide by cop”. How death through that means involves any association to “glory”, I guess only the father can say.

He obviously meant from his son's perspective.

 

[LoisLane]

When the father was interviewed, July 24th media report, he predicted his son would die in a police confrontation “today or tomorrow” and he was tearfully offering his goodbyes. That didn’t occur so I don’t think there’s any reason whatsoever to put heavy weight on “a blaze of glory”. What he’s referring to is plain and simple “suicide by cop”. How death through that means involves any association to “glory”, I guess only the father can say.

Father of suspect in 3 B.C. deaths expects son will go out in 'blaze of glory'
“....Alan Schmegelsky said he expects his son will die in a confrontation with police.

“He's on a suicide mission. He wants his pain to end,” he said, breaking down into tears. “Basically, he's going to be dead today or tomorrow. I know that. Rest in peace, Bryer. I love you. I'm so sorry all this had to happen.”...”

I think by saying “today or tomorrow” was in response to the fact the police were already on to them. He expected the police to find them by “today or tomorrow”. Wasn’t because he knew the boys were on a timeline.

For me “blaze of glory” can still happen.

 

[otto]

they could just take gas out of any car that was parked if it didn't have a locking gas cap.

Good luck finding one of those old vehicles that is still on the road.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

CBC reporter re: ‘Kapuskasing’ incident and rumours of two suspects arrested.

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The latest on Kapuskasing BC fugitives tip: OPP says vehicle has not been located. It's still unconfirmed who might have been in it. Police continue to follow up on any new information. OPP urging people to report possible sightings directly to police... and not to social media

Katie Nicholson on Twitter

RCMP in BC say they would be notified almost immediately if another police force took the suspects into custody.

Katie Nicholson on Twitter

 

[Deleted member 248860]

This whole Kapuskasing thing helps explain why the authorities would have to be crazy to offer a reward