Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[sprucetip]

Yes. They could have visited Whitehorse after July 14/15th overnight murders, and headed back to BC on July 17th.

While I am wondering like crazy where they went those couple of days, if they were in Whitehorse, people would be talking about it. It’s a small town. They have to have eaten, got gas, etc. I wonder if they did just go thru Watson Lake to get to Dease Lake. Maybe they took their time, and made sure to be under the radar, so soon after the Liard murders?

 

[BearCatSafari]

Four confirmed sightings in the first four days. Not a trace in two weeks.

These two are dead. And we'll never know more.

 

[PNZ]

Interesting tidbit:

Family members of mine have been traveling across several Canadian provinces via the Trans Canada Highway, this past weekend.

They left Elk Lake, Ontario on Aug 3rd at 3:30pm, they drove to Kapuskasing and spent the night. Next morning Aug 4th, they drove as far as Brandon, Manitoba and stopped for the night. Today was Brandon to Calgary. They and I were shocked and surprised by the fact that during this whole trip they did not pass even one police car.

We had talked before their journey about this case and about being cautious, we talked about the news reports suggesting a possible heavier police presence yet almost 3000km and they never saw ONE police car.

I am not saying this to fault the police in any way, Northern Ontario is vast and they simply cannot be everywhere, this is to draw attention to the often misleading information that appears in the media.

That is weird! Being a long weekend, especially today being the Monday of the long weekend, normally they are all over the TransCanada … especially the AB border to Calgary! Even if the RCMP have deployed more resources than normal to some regions, they are still patrolling the rest of the country business as usual.

 

[sprucetip]

It was 11:30 at night, dark, she was driving by and did not like what she saw in terms of body language between the three, so she kept on driving. It would not surprise me if she made mistakes about the vehicle details.

It would not have been dark, more twilight at that time. But enough to mess up car details? Who knows.

 

[FactFinder3000]

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[PNZ]

I’ve wondered if the road supervisor made a mistake and recanted her observation. I make this statement because I always thought the sketch very much resembled the wanted Texan believed to have entered Canada just before the couple murdered. I believe he was also allegedly driving a jeep.

Moo

The witness recanting her story would make sense on why that person of interest just sorta dropped off the radar.

 

[Charzien]

This has been my experience, too, though I am not in Canada and cannot speak for Canadian alternative schools. A lot of the students I know in these types of alternative programs here in the States are not juvenile delinquents, but many of them either didn't fit in or just had low grades because they didn't respond well to a traditional school setting. Some of them are quite bright but unmotivated.

Port Alberni's Alternative School website....has a description similar to what you're saying
VAST - School District 70 (Alberni)

 

[dameagatha]

He squints and turns his head saying, “We probably would have just helped them out,” then his voice catches, “cause that’s pretty much the way we all are out here.”
—Billy Beardy, Sundance, 072519
00:48
http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1576808515958/

Another thing about this video is the stop sign that shows up briefly behind them. Also, in the far distance in another frame, a road sign, also out of focus. These would indicate they are standing on the north side road at the intersection to Sundance, on the main road not closer to the tracks.

 

[scrappinkat]

Again, having one driver with valid license was relevant before they became fugitives. BS could have shown a "learner's permit" equivalent, if he was caught driving, as long as KM had full license.

If the driver has only a learners permit, first stage with red L, they need a licensed legal driver over the age of 25 in the passenger seat.

With the N he can drive by himself but absolutely no alcohol and there’s limits on passengers. (As well as absolutely no Bluetooth, no hand free drive, no iPod thru an audio jack etc)

 

[BearCatSafari]

Interesting tidbit:

Family members of mine have been traveling across several Canadian provinces via the Trans Canada Highway, this past weekend.

They left Elk Lake, Ontario on Aug 3rd at 3:30pm, they drove to Kapuskasing and spent the night. Next morning Aug 4th, they drove as far as Brandon, Manitoba and stopped for the night. Today was Brandon to Calgary. They and I were shocked and surprised by the fact that during this whole trip they did not pass even one police car.

We had talked before their journey about this case and about being cautious, we talked about the news reports suggesting a possible heavier police presence yet almost 3000km and they never saw ONE police car.

I am not saying this to fault the police in any way, Northern Ontario is vast and they simply cannot be everywhere, this is to draw attention to the often misleading information that appears in the media.

This to me seems kind of normal. I regularly drive the 401 across all of Ontario, the busiest highway on the continent in some spots, and in 5 years I can count on one hand how many LE cars I've seen.

 

[Moonlitnight]

Four confirmed sightings in the first four days. Not a trace in two weeks.

These two are dead. And we'll never know more.

Correct me if I am wrong on this...at the time of those sightings (aside from the York sighting which may or may not have been them), they were not Canada's most wanted so no need to go into hiding.

 

[BearCatSafari]

Correct me if I am wrong on this...at the time of those sightings (aside from the York sighting which may or may not have been them), they were not Canada's most wanted so no need to go into hiding.

You're correct.

But how do people known and wanted hide while travelling for two weeks without being seen. Food, fuel, travelling. All weak spots.

 

[MistyWaters]

This has been my experience, too, though I am not in Canada and cannot speak for Canadian alternative schools. A lot of the students I know in these types of alternative programs here in the States are not juvenile delinquents, but many of them either didn't fit in or just had low grades because they didn't respond well to a traditional school setting. Some of them are quite bright but unmotivated.

I don’t think their education had any direct bearing on the crimes they allegedly committed. Many males and females fall into a big slump in their later teen years and then go on to achieve great accomplishments.

But as you mention, unmotivated would seem to apply in this case given after 5 weeks at Walmart they quit. I’m just guessing that robbery and theft in a more remote area where police are hours away was the initial attraction to finance their lifestyle as opposed to the discipline required to seek or hold down a job. Lying, deception and theft does not usually suddenly begin at ages of 18 or 19, it’s already taken hold. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if one or both had a juvenile record.

 

[PNZ]

While I am wondering like crazy where they went those couple of days, if they were in Whitehorse, people would be talking about it. It’s a small town. They have to have eaten, got gas, etc. I wonder if they did just go thru Watson Lake to get to Dease Lake. Maybe they took their time, and made sure to be under the radar, so soon after the Liard murders?

I think the culture in the north is a bit different than what you might think. A lot of odd-ball characters move up there to get away from normal society so they can be their quirky selves in peace. In turn, they don't ask questions of other quirky people. Kind of a live and let live attitude. So its possible that someone there saw them but just never gave them a second look.

While it may be true that there are lots of jobs up there, they may have discovered that there are no "big money" jobs that they were qualified for. If they were even there, they weren't there long enough to actually look for a job.

 

[KR72]

My mind keeps going back and forth on this case, but I'm really feeling now that they're dead. It's possible that someone gave them a lift out of Gillam, but the thing about that that gets me is, how long can that person keep quiet for? You know how things go, you tell one person not to tell anyone, and so on and so on....and I'd think that these two would have to surface or be seen by someone at some point. If they do have someone who isn't fond of the RCMP helping them, there's no way that person could let anyone else in on it. It's not like BS and KM are really of any value, they're not rich and they're really just a couple of losers, so I kind of doubt there'd be a network helping them out - and at some point, IF someone was helping them, they'd expect something in return. No one's gonna help them forever without expecting money. Who'd be willing to shelter, feed and clothe these two for too long?

I think the Mounties are onto something with the boat. The Nelson is huge and flows north and it drains into a number of lakes. It could take a long time for the bodies to appear (if they did indeed drown). If the boat is unrelated to them and they're dead in the muskeg somewhere, their remains may never surface. The muskeg and the boreal forest is acidic which will help to eat up whatever's left of them after animals pick their bones. Also, it's not uncommon to have raging forest fires in the north during dry spells, this year alone Manitoba has had something like over 200 fires already and summers not even over yet, odds are that a fire may occur in the general vicinity of Gillam and destroy whatever's left of them eventually, even if that's years from now.

Province of Manitoba | Home Page

Nelson River | The Canadian Encyclopedia


I want them to be alive, not because I care about them or their well being, but because I want closure for the victims' families and for these two to face justice and spend a good chunk of time in jail and be miserable, but now I really think they're dead and that it'll be a miracle if their bodies are ever found.

 

[scrappinkat]

The RCMP have never really confirmed anything involving the timeframe prior to the 3 murders. We also don’t know the date it’s believed LD was murdered, only the date his body was found coincided with discovering the burning truck.

 

[MistyWaters]

I have read that they haven't had any run-ins with the law. The worst I heard was BS purchased some lunch an a local deli for about $18 and then couldn't pay, said he'd come back with some money but never did.

Juvenile records, 17 and under, are not public records so the media has no means of knowing if any exist. Neither are the names of juveniles allowed to be published in police reports. Young offenders are given a fresh start at the age of 18.

 

[FactFinder3000]

But as you mention, unmotivated would seem to apply in this case given after 5 weeks at Walmart they quit. I’m just guessing that robbery and theft in a more remote area where police are hours away was the initial attraction to finance their lifestyle as opposed to the discipline required to seek or hold down a job. Lying, deception and theft does not usually suddenly begin at ages of 18 or 19, it’s already taken hold. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if one or both had a juvenile record.

I think they received a couple paychecks, saw how small they were and wanted to hit the road for the big money. There's this idea out there that remote locations are desperate for workers and offering big money.

 

[acutename]

And they'd probably have to reserve. But to contact gran one or two days after leaving to report rejecting the Yukon? This would be the only believable explanation to gran, I would think.

did they call her or did she call them and they answered? wonder when they decided to stop contact with family and if they had any regrets.

 

[Gina20]

Yikes! Suspect is 5'9" according to the article, however.

Yep. It was discussed on FB yesterday.

Ironically, this weekend a dangerous offender who committed a violent sexual assault on a flagger in the late 1990s in the Pine Pass was on the loose from a halfway house in Vancouver. He was located in Vancouver.