Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[Gina20]

At 7:45PM on July 13 they bought gas at Fort Nelson. At 3:30PM on July 14 they were stranded on the side of the highway 20km South of Liard Hot Springs. They were heading North. They were last seen alive stranded on the side of the highway at 11:30PM on July 14.

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That doesn't tell us which route they took when they left Hudson's Hope, unfortunately. Fort Nelson is further north than Charlie Lake.

 

[Iwondertoo]

What year are you checking? He's not in this year's, but he is in last year's.

https://www.albernivalleynews.com/e...180704110752-01b5343009a04ae8926bf77bfd570f50

P B19 (numerically 47).

I must be blind. I still don't see it.

 

[Zella]

I must be blind. I still don't see it.

You have to go to page 47. Kam McLeod is the 6th graduate on the 1st row.

 

[MistyWaters]

Whatever avenue the RCMP are pursuing, I hope it yields results. I think there must be something or they wouldn’t still be present, the roadblock set up again today.

BBM

“....The chief of a northern Manitoba First Nations community caught in the middle of the hunt for two B.C. homicide suspects says life has not returned to normal despite the police scale-back of search operations last week.

"It's important we recognize the ongoing challenge, as a large police contingent remains in Gillam and Bird at this time," Walter Spence, chief of Fox Lake Cree Nation, said in a statement provided by a spokesperson.

"The RCMP have scaled back some resources, but life has not returned to normal."....

.....Spence's statement comes after RCMP divers wrapped up their search of the Nelson River that was sparked by the discovery of a damaged row boat found washed up on shore on Friday...”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/fox-lake-life-not-back-to-normal-1.5237174

 

[Gina20]

Nine News Melbourne on Sunday, July 21, first line states “...Lucas Fowler, who was shot dead alongside his girlfriend...”. Halfway down: “The RCMP have released few details...”

Grieving Fowler family arrives in Canada - 9News

My interest now is in the one hand under each...thinking about DNA possibly under their fingernails. The last time I checked, the part of the interview about one hand under each had been clipped.

I remember what he said, so that can't be edited out. I know he said it. Thinking that first-time killers might not think about fingernails holding DNA.

 

[otto]

That doesn't tell us which route they took when they left Hudson's Hope, unfortunately. Fort Nelson is further north than Charlie Lake.

They left the ranch on July 13. They may have gone to Dawson Creek, maybe not. It doesn't change anything really. They were heading North to Alaska and the Yukon.

At 7:45PM that evening they were at Fort Nelson. They stayed somewhere nearby overnight and continued on their travels on July 14. At 3:30PM they were stranded on the highway just South of Liard Hot Springs and at 4PM a call was placed to RCMP about their location and situation.

I'm confused why Dawson Creek or Charlie Lake matters?

The suspects left Port Alberni on July 12 and were near Liard Hot Springs on the night of July 14/15.

 

[Zella]

@Iwondertoo

Here's a screenshot of the page.

Source: https://www.albernivalleynews.com/e...180704110752-01b5343009a04ae8926bf77bfd570f50

 

[dameagatha]

RCMP must have told the parents of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese how they were killed. Lucas' father was visibly distraught at the news conference, and it's very likely that it slipped his mind that the cause of death was meant to be withheld. He released that information, and RCMP later confirmed that they died of gun violence - meaning they were shot.

From what I can find, the Fowler family news conference was on Monday, July 22, the day after 9News publication.

 

[Moriarty]

Thinking back to the unsolved murders of two German tourists in Chetwynd in 1983, it is possible that the person(s) responsible is/are still alive. If an 80s vintage van can still be on the road, a killer in his 20s in 1983 could still be alive.

Double murder of Andrea Scherpf and Bernd Göricke - Wikipedia

Thinking also of one version of Trevor Pierre's TV interview in which he said LF and CD both had one hand tucked under their bodies.

Andrea Scherpf had DNA under her fingernails.

In a strange coincidence, one of the suspects in that double murder lived for three years in...you guessed it...little Sundance, MB where RCMP are now searching again.

 

[otto]

From what I can find, the Fowler family news conference was on Monday, July 22, the day after 9News publication.

I'm sure that he heard the information as soon as he arrived in Canada. He was visibly distraught at the news conference. It's possible that he released information that was meant to be withheld by accident.

We know for a fact that he was distraught and not thinking or speaking as a police officer. He referred to the RCMP as RMPC. It was like he was on autopilot survival mode.

 

[Gina20]

They left the ranch on July 13. They may have gone to Dawson Creek, maybe not. It doesn't change anything really. They were heading North to Alaska and the Yukon.

At 7:45PM that evening they were at Fort Nelson. They stayed somewhere nearby overnight and continued on their travels on July 14. At 3:30PM they were stranded on the highway just South of Liard Hot Springs and at 4PM a call was placed to RCMP about their location and situation.

I'm confused why Dawson Creek or Charlie Lake matters?

The suspects left Port Alberni on July 12 and were near Liard Hot Springs on the night of July 14/15.

I am curious as to why it wouldn't matter.

We have been trying to determine the route KM and BS took.

I am trying to determine the route CD and LF took. Knowing that there are predators on Highway 29 out of Hudson's Hope between there and Charlie Lake at Highway 97 (Alaska Highway) seems relevant to me. Knowing that an unsolved murder of a tourist couple took place in Chetwynd seems relevant to me.

Were they followed from Hudson's Hope by someone (maybe in an older blue van)? Did someone follow their old blue van, believing it was another old blue van?

The weekend attack is a new development.

Until charges are laid in the murders of CD and LF, I don't find it unreasonable to consider that KM and BS might not be the only possibilities.

It doesn't seem safe right now on the Alaska Highway or its feeder roads.

ETA: LF and CD either took Highway 29 from Hudson's Hope to Highway 97 at Charlie Lake, passing the location of Sunday's attempted abduction, or they took Highway 97 through Chetwynd and Dawson Creek, where it becomes the Alaska Highway.

 

[Thinkzerz]

The road block is in place again today. I’m guessing the police are gathering whatever evidence to convict these two when and if they are ever caught. MOO

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
The really strange thing to me about the couple in the Van is the report from a witness that they were seen speaking to or having some sort of heated discussion with another person.

That other person was either the killer(s) or someone trying to help them and not being able to convince them to leave the van there and come with them to safety or something like that.

Since they ended up murdered I would have to put the odds more on the side that the witness saw the murderer and if there were two of them then one may have been hiding or out of the persons view.

Not much to make me lean that way other than the witness seemed to think it was more than a friendly discussion.
I have to wonder if Lucas was the one outside speaking with the person and as things got heated maybe Chynna was inside with a weapon and maybe was told to use it if she needed to by Lucas. She may have seen things get physical and maybe she fired a shot out the window to try to scare off the person(s).

Or maybe she saw/heard the witness car passing, knew the person on the outside was trouble, and tried to fire that shot out the window to flag down the witness who kept driving by.

The shot through the window is a little strange because if it came from the inside then it means at least one of them had to still be inside the van.

Its all so strange and I dont like coincidences in most cases like this which I think is also why I am leaning that the witness may have seen the murderer(s).

 

[sandbar]

I checked this year's grad supplement and no sign of BS. He's not even listed as unphotographed.

Sorry, why is trying to figure whether they graduating or didn't and alternative/mainstream school is relevant to them being suspects? Or is it just interesting to people?

 

[FactFinder3000]

What I find frustrating about this case, as no doubt the RCMP does as well, is that we just don't have anything to point in any direction. Why did they travel to such a remote location? Was it so they could disappear into the woods? Or was is to make it appear that way? We just don't know.

What year are you checking? He's not in this year's, but he is in last year's.

https://www.albernivalleynews.com/e...180704110752-01b5343009a04ae8926bf77bfd570f50

P B19 (numerically 47).

Thanks! I didn't realize they had that service. I was trying to find it via google.

So that's pretty clear. 72 grads of the Eighth Avenue Learning Center last year, and he was one of them. I'm amazed there are so many attending this 'alternative' school for such a smallish school district.

 

[Zella]

Sorry, why is trying to figure whether they graduating or didn't and alternative/mainstream school is relevant to them being suspects? Or is it just interesting to people?

I was answering someone else's question, so it might be better asked of the original poster. For me, it has nothing to do with them as suspects, though there are some odd inconsistencies with the graduation story as presented.

 

[otto]

I am curious as to why it wouldn't matter.

We have been trying to determine the route KM and BS took.

I am trying to determine the route CD and LF took. Knowing that there are predators on Highway 29 out of Hudson's Hope between there and Charlie Lake at Highway 97 (Alaska Highway) seems relevant to me. Knowing that an unsolved murder of a tourist couple took place in Chetwynd seems relevant to me.

Were they followed from Hudson's Hope by someone (maybe in an older blue van)? Did someone follow their old blue van, believing it was another old blue van?

The weekend attack is a new development.

Until charges are laid in the murders of CD and LF, I don't find it unreasonable to consider that KM and BS might not be the only possibilities.

It doesn't seem safe right now on the Alaska Highway or its feeder roads.

I understand. You are looking for alternate suspects in the murders.

We know that the murders of Lucas and Chynna are connected to the murder of Dyck. That means that if an alternate suspect murdered Lucas and Chynna, the alternate suspect also murdered Dyck. We know that charges have been laid in the murder of Dyck and that they are pending in the murders of Lucas and Chynna.

We know that an arrest warrant has been issued and that additional arrest warrants will not change anything. Additionally, more charges will very likely be laid after an arrest for, for example, vehicle theft.

What I'm saying is that the absence of additional arrest warrants does not change anything.

 

[sandbar]

Am hoping someone here with all the awesome timeline knowledge and whatnot can answer a couple of questions for me:

1) Did the highway worker who found LF and CD mention in his interview that he suspected they were shot and if so, was this before or after the RCMP released that info publicly? (maybe it was never their intention to say how any of the victims died and had their hand forced in terms of releasing that info because of that interview?) - would explain why we know the cause of death in one case and not the other.

2) After the York Landing sighting was reported to RCMP by the Bear Clan rep. , what was the timeline of RCMP arriving on the scene compared with the public release of information that a tip was received and the RCMP were headed there? (wondering what sort of head start the suspects might have had if they had been there and had access to information somehow).

Thanks!

Just found this, it's from a week ago though...Haven't watched it all

 

[SnooperDuper]

The person who found LF and CD dead took photos and those photos found their way onto the internet. I have not viewed them, but it could have been apparent that the two were shot, leading the press to ask RCMP if that were true/draw their own conclusions. Anyway I think those photos were the basis of the "gun violence" information coming forward. It was not so much investigative journalism as a violation of privacy by the person that found the pair.

 

[Hatfield]

I understand. You are looking for alternate suspects in the murders.

We know that the murders of Lucas and Chynna are connected to the murder of Dyck. That means that if an alternate suspect murdered Lucas and Chynna, the alternate suspect also murdered Dyck. We know that charges have been laid in the murder of Dyck and that they are pending in the murders of Lucas and Chynna.

We know that an arrest warrant has been issued and that additional arrest warrants will not change anything. Additionally, more charges will very likely be laid after an arrest for, for example, vehicle theft.

What I'm saying is that the absence of additional arrest warrants does not change anything.

JMO
I agree with most but maybe I missed something along the way.

How do we know the murders of Lucas and Chynna are connected to the murder of Dyck?

The odds of two different killers killing the Van couple and someone else killing Dyck is unlikely but there are a couple possibilities unless I missed something that definitely tied the 2 events together.