Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

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Yeah I wasn't going to pay $60 for a cap and gown! F that...they wasted enough of my family's money already!

It definitely seems like he didn't graduate and possibly tricked them. You know, his family definitely seemed to have a lot of issues, and I know people love to criticize and blame parents of criminals even if the criminals are legal adults. But I think they tried their best and I don't think they deserved THIS...almost no parent does. Honestly I'm kind of worried about his dad. It seemed like he already had a lot of serious life issues BEFORE this all happened...plus from what I've seen it sounds like he really loved and was proud of Bryer despite having issues that made him unable to be a full parent, and I think he was his only kid too...so what happens now?
I've said this a few times on here, but I feel like BS's dad was taken advantage of by the media. In fact, some of his later stuff (like the book) wasn't even reported on by mainstream media and was the focus of tabloids. He reminds me of people I know who have a lot of mental health issues, are going through a lot, have no filter when they talk, and need help. The difference is the people I know don't have the international media knocking on their door and wanting a statement. He doesn't seem to have a support structure of people who could rein him in and advise him not to talk. He has been quiet for several days now, and I sincerely hope it is because someone, even if it was just Victim Services, was able to take him in hand and tell him that talking to the media wasn't going to help him or help Bryer.

I feel really bad for the McLeod family, too--I think his dad said something about not even being able to talk without sobbing--but I get the sense they are savvier about this and also perhaps just have a much less dysfunctional family dynamic, so it is a lot easier for them to maintain a united front, stay quiet, avoid the media, and only release a handful of carefully worded but relatively normal-seeming statements to the press.

I don't blame either family for this. BS's childhood sounds miserable, admittedly, but other people have worse childhoods and don't kill anyone. I do agree that his dad sounds like he genuinely loved BS and was proud of him, even if he wasn't always in his son's life. His grandma seemed the same way. Even though he didn't seem to have a lot of stability growing up, I don't think BS was unaware that they adored him.
 
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Much has been posted regarding the victims Lucas and Chynna and little about Prof Dyck. I found this Twitter about Len and I don’t believe it has been shared before. It is still really important that we remember all the victims.

I have been falling twitter while on my road trip...amazing how many people are not aware of the manhunt. Later...

BBM
This!
 
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Much has been posted regarding the victims Lucas and Chynna and little about Prof Dyck. I found this Twitter about Len and I don’t believe it has been shared before. It is still really important that we remember all the victims.

I have been falling twitter while on my road trip...amazing how many people are not aware of the manhunt. Later...
Thank you for posting that! Sometimes, poor LD seems to have fallen through the cracks in the media attention. This whole thing is so sad--all 3 of the victims (LF, CD, and LD) seem like genuinely nice people who would have been a joy to get to know and spend time with. :(
 
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I didn't even go to my high school or college graduation...for all my family knows I never graduated (well technically it says online that I did, but still)...like it's really not that hard to do honestly. No offense to his family either but it sounds like his dad and grandma at least were kind of gullible when it came to him. Like they wanted to believe the best of him so they overlooked or dismissed a lot of troubling signs as just normal "growing pains" (honestly that makes this situation even more sad...I feel really bad for their families). I could see them being tricked. They were tricked about Kam and Bryer's travel plans and apparently never compared notes until after the two were long gone.
BBM
Not sure of the exact relation between the Dad and the Grandma, its possible that they weren't on communicating terms (i.e. if the Grandma was the mother of his ex-wife.) It would have been very easy for BS to bluff everyone knowing full well that there are rifts. Lying about his graduation seems pretty likely and further paints a picture of a troubled kid that wasn't who everyone thought he was.
 
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I am curious as to why it wouldn't matter.

We have been trying to determine the route KM and BS took.

I am trying to determine the route CD and LF took. Knowing that there are predators on Highway 29 out of Hudson's Hope between there and Charlie Lake at Highway 97 (Alaska Highway) seems relevant to me. Knowing that an unsolved murder of a tourist couple took place in Chetwynd seems relevant to me.

Were they followed from Hudson's Hope by someone (maybe in an older blue van)? Did someone follow their old blue van, believing it was another old blue van?

The weekend attack is a new development.

Until charges are laid in the murders of CD and LF, I don't find it unreasonable to consider that KM and BS might not be the only possibilities.

It doesn't seem safe right now on the Alaska Highway or its feeder roads.

ETA: LF and CD either took Highway 29 from Hudson's Hope to Highway 97 at Charlie Lake, passing the location of Sunday's attempted abduction, or they took Highway 97 through Chetwynd and Dawson Creek, where it becomes the Alaska Highway.
Since the murders, thousands have traveled the AK hwy without incident.Thousands more will travel it before summer is over. I don't feel it's unsafe at all and I travel it every day.
 
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Thank you for posting that! Sometimes, poor LD seems to have fallen through the cracks in the media attention. This whole thing is so sad--all 3 of the victims (LF, CD, and LD) seem like genuinely nice people who would have been a joy to get to know and spend time with. :(

In some ways I'm glad there is not so much coverage about this man right now. It bothers me to no end when media people hound and harass victims' families, ringing their door bell, calling their home number, take pictures at funerals, posting sound bytes from neighbours and coworkers and their third cousin's uncle's dog. This must be a very difficult time for all the families involved and I'm hoping that less coverage means everyone is keeping a respectful distance and allowing them to grieve in private if they so choose. Waiting for answers must be excruciating. I agree that they should be remembered but it needs to be done in a sensitive way and on their terms.
 
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BBM
Not sure of the exact relation between the Dad and the Grandma, its possible that they weren't on communicating terms (i.e. if the Grandma was the mother of his ex-wife.) It would have been very easy for BS to bluff everyone knowing full well that there are rifts. Lying about his graduation seems pretty likely and further paints a picture of a troubled kid that wasn't who everyone thought he was.
This is a good observation! I don't get the impression the adults in BS's life were communicating much with each other, so, no, they likely wouldn't know until after something like this happened that his stories about graduation or road-tripping for work were in conflict with what he told other people or reality.
 
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In some ways I'm glad there is not so much coverage about this man right now. It bothers me to no end when media people hound and harass victims' families, ringing their door bell, calling their home number, take pictures at funerals, posting sound bytes from neighbours and coworkers and their third cousin's uncle's dog. This must be a very difficult time for all the families involved and I'm hoping that less coverage means everyone is keeping a respectful distance and allowing them to grieve in private if they so choose. Waiting for answers must be excruciating.
Agreed! It is shameful! It always makes me so mad when an insensitive reporter shoves a microphone in a grieving family's face and asks how they feel. How do they think they feel?!?!

Edited to add: A lot of times it looked like BS's dad was sort of ambushed by the press and asked for a statement, which I'm sure didn't help matters in regard to content. It's not like he was releasing or reading prepared statements. He was just talking off-the-cuff.
 
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Agreed! It is shameful! It always makes me so mad when an insensitive reporter shoves a microphone in a grieving family's face and asks how they feel. How do they think they feel?!?!

Edited to add: A lot of times it looked like BS's dad was sort of ambushed by the press and asked for a statement, which I'm sure didn't help matters in regard to content. It's not like he was releasing or reading prepared statements. He was just talking off-the-cuff.

That one interview probably was an ambush of sorts where he said more than he should have, can't really fault him for that one. The thing that grated me was when he self-published a book. That wasn't an ambush, that seemed like attention-seeking. IMHO.
 
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Thank you for posting that! Sometimes, poor LD seems to have fallen through the cracks in the media attention. This whole thing is so sad--all 3 of the victims (LF, CD, and LD) seem like genuinely nice people who would have been a joy to get to know and spend time with. :(

Very true. The obsession of knowing all the details about the lives of suspects which always occurs reminds me, in this case, these two were nobodies of no great accomplishments whatsoever. They would’ve warranted no public interest at all prior to the burning of their truck and camper when they were first deemed missing persons.

It leaves me wondering how great being featured in “headline news” was involved in their original motive to murder totally innocent and harmless strangers.
 
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Much has been posted regarding the victims Lucas and Chynna and little about Prof Dyck. I found this Twitter about Len and I don’t believe it has been shared before. It is still really important that we remember all the victims.

I have been falling twitter while on my road trip...amazing how many people are not aware of the manhunt. Later...
BBM
Agreed! It's easy to forget that they were people with futures who were loved and will be missed by their families. Thx for sharing this, I hadn't seen it before. He seemed like a cool guy with his love for botany. Must have been loving his camping trips, just him and his favourite things.
 
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Renata D'Aliesio‏ @RenataDAliesio
This is Day 12 for @meltait and me on the ground in the Gillam area. We'll keep you posted on developments. To see our stories and Melissa's incredible photos, check out @globeandmail #Canadamanhunt #canadianmanhunt

8:10 AM - 6 Aug 2019 pst*

Renata D'Aliesio‏ @RenataDAliesio
The roadblock went up around 7 am. Only people with essential work in the area, such as Hydro workers, are being allowed through #Canadamanhunt #canadianmanhunt

7:57 AM - 6 Aug 2019*

Renata D'Aliesio‏ @RenataDAliesio
RCMP have set up a roadblock again today on 290, near Sundance Creek. They are searching area around where torched SUV and wrecked rowboat were found. Roadblock today is also blocking access to old Sundance work camp #Canadamanhunt #Canadianmanhunt

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7:55 AM - 6 Aug 2019*
 
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Some things things I want to know:
1) Verified time and date when KM and BS left Port Alberni, or are seen leaving PA in camper van.
2) When LD was killed, not when police reported finding him, but time of death.
3) KM and BS's route north.
4) CD and LF's route from Hudson's Hope.
 
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That one interview probably was an ambush of sorts where he said more than he should have, can't really fault him for that one. The thing that grated me was when he self-published a book. That wasn't an ambush, that seemed like attention-seeking. IMHO.
I agree the book stuff was not flattering, but in all fairness to him, I do believe the book was written, the self-publishing deal was already finished, and the book was set to release at that time long before the murders happened. I work in publishing, and I just don't think it was logistically possible for them to write the book and print it that fast, so I think he was telling the truth about it being something in the works for months.

I think he would have been better off to have withheld publication indefinitely rather than by a few days. But I don't think he actually wrote the book to capitalize on his son's infamy--that would have been quite inexcusable.
 
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For anyone who wasn't here yesterday, we crowd sourced these locations for the car and boat.

Red star is car, yellow star is boat

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I agree the book stuff was not flattering, but in all fairness to him, I do believe the book was written, the self-publishing deal was already finished, and the book was set to release at that time long before the murders happened. I work in publishing, and I just don't think it was logistically possible for them to write the book and print it that fast, so I think he was telling the truth about it being something in the works for months.

I think he would have been better off to have withheld publication indefinitely rather than by a few days. But I don't think he actually wrote the book to capitalize on his son's infamy--that would have been quite inexcusable.

Not to belabour the book thing but do regular people just up and write a book about their lives to be published for the whole world to read? I can see a bit of a biography to pass down to your future generations at some point might be a valid reason. I guess its not the fact that he wrote the book but the timing of its release was terrible and I question his motives. Someone should have advised him not to do that.

Edited to add: The whole thing struck me as self-serving and kinda illustrated that the adults in BS's life may not have been setting the best examples for him (not blaming the Dad for his son's actions but I do think that it explains some of how things got to where they are now.)
 
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Yeah I wasn't going to pay $60 for a cap and gown! F that...they wasted enough of my family's money already!

It definitely seems like he didn't graduate and possibly tricked them. You know, his family definitely seemed to have a lot of issues, and I know people love to criticize and blame parents of criminals even if the criminals are legal adults. But I think they tried their best and I don't think they deserved THIS...almost no parent does. Honestly I'm kind of worried about his dad. It seemed like he already had a lot of serious life issues BEFORE this all happened...plus from what I've seen it sounds like he really loved and was proud of Bryer despite having issues that made him unable to be a full parent, and I think he was his only kid too...so what happens now?

I don’t feel sorry for AS at all and there’s probably good reason why the media is staying clear of him now. It seems evident to me he’s riding off the tragic and senseless murder of three innocent people to create a pity party on himself and by extension, his son.

https://chatnewstoday.ca/2019/07/30...r-reveals-details-of-troubled-life-in-book-2/
“He (AS) said he sent the book to reporters to highlight how a “broken system” has shaped him and his son.

“My son and I have been treated like footballs. It’s time for some truth,” he said.

He writes that he was arrested by Victoria police on Aug. 4, 2008, his son Bryer’s eighth birthday, three years after his acrimonious split with the boy’s mother. In a rambling, profanity-laden recollection, he explains how he was sentenced to probation because he had no criminal history at the time.

Court records show he was charged with criminal harassment in December 2008. He was found guilty of the lesser offence of disobeying a court order.

He returned to court numerous times over the next decade.

A new criminal harassment charge was filed in 2012 and a number of breach of probation charges were added in 2014. He was later found guilty of the criminal harassment charge and some probation charges.

In 2016, he was found guilty of two additional criminal harassment charges, and in January 2018, he was found guilty of another criminal harassment charge and two breach of probation charges.

It’s unclear whether his ex-wife was the target of the harassment in each case, but Schmegelsky said in an interview that at least some of the charges were filed because the boy’s mother feared he would murder her, saying he was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication. He denies these allegations.

Schmegelsky writes in the book that a forensic psychologist diagnosed him as “delusional,” a conclusion he disagreed with. His lawyer described him as “autistic” at one point, he writes, and he was ordered to attend a crisis counselling centre but couldn’t afford to attend for very long as it wasn’t a government program....”
 
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Some things things I want to know:
1) Verified time and date when KM and BS left Port Alberni, or are seen leaving PA in camper van.
2) When LD was killed, not when police reported finding him, but time of death.
3) KM and BS's route north.
4) CD and LF's route from Hudson's Hope.

They left Port Alberni on July 12, time unknown.
There is no time of death for any of the victims
No one knows any of the routes, just dates for confirmed sightings
Chynna and Lucas left the ranch at Hudson Hope on July 13.

Here's one of the links:

"Deese joined Fowler at the ranch he'd been working at in Hudson's Hope, B.C., before they left on their three-week Alaskan road trip on July 13."​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...-centre-of-2-northern-b-c-mysteries-1.5221041

Search for the grandmother for the July 12 date leaving Port Alberni.
 
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From the MB RCMP Facebook page:

Aug 6/19 15 min ago

As the search for Kam Mcleod and Bryer Schmelgsky continues, we are able to provide the following update.

On August 3, 2019, RCMP located several items on the shoreline, approximately 9 km from where the burnt vehicle was located. RCMP have confirmed that these items are directly linked to the suspects. That same day, a damaged boat was also found along the Nelson River.

Based on this information, RCMP Underwater Recovery Team (URT) were immediately deployed. On August 4, 2019, URT conducted a thorough underwater search approximately 29 metres around the location where the boat was found. The search did not uncover any additional items linked to the suspects.

The roadblock on PR 290 has been removed, but officers remain in the Gillam area.

To ensure the integrity of the investigation, no further information about the items will be provided at this time.

ETA: date/time of post
 
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