Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[otto]

Professor Dyck was the sort of person who would stop to help kids their age. He may have picked them up hitchhiking. IIRC, his body was found 2 miles south of the truck. If they pulled a knife on him in the car, he may have had a heart attack. That would qualify as 2nd degree charge.

Maybe they were at the same pullout, and he offered them a meal.

 

[MassGuy]

Couldn't they have stripped off their clothes in the water or thrown some in? RCMP can't give up totally just based on something being washed ashore. IF these 2 drowned (I'm not buying it) then when or where might their bodies wash ashore I wonder?I say bring in some Australian police or American Police heck even the FBI as this is an International case isn't it? Just wondering out loud...

Sure, but I don’t think that’s what happened.

I don’t think they’re giving up, but I do think they do believe these two guys are now dead.

Multiple sightings up until they burned that vehicle, then nothing.

If they are out in the woods, then they are likely dead.

That stuff being found near the location of that damaged boat, makes me think they did in fact drown.

These guys aren’t criminal masterminds. Clearly.

 

[Peace777]

What if LE found their gun! They wouldn't be posing any threat then.

Found the gun? Hmmm but couldn't they have stolen a gun somewhere along the way before getting to Gillam? Maybe the RCMP just mean these 2 aren't a threat to the residents in the area because they got away to somewhere else?

 

[sprucetip]

Two B.C. fugitives probably ‘hit the road a long time ago,’ Mantracker and Survivorman say

Our rcmp were so slow off the blocks (4 hours to respond to the murdered couple, really?), that the killer of these 3 innocents has had ample time to frame the two suspects, over and again. Any cctv security tapes at gas pumps will have long now been erased, but it might have been helpful to have seen at least one clip of the suspects actually sitting in the Rav4. What we see in fact is only what the killer wants us to - the young dupes wandering around a grocery store, making sure he's put them on camera while he himself, cagely hides in back whenever public scrutiny was looming.
Its not illogical to surmise that the two suspect's own truck simply had mechanical issues and they were picked up by the killer who saw an opportunity in their gullability for excitement. He could easily have planted a possession of theirs at each crime scene, even used their own gun on the 3rd victim if they indeed had one, without the suspects even knowing. Maybe that's why the suspects aren't charged in the first murders - different weapon ballistic evidence.

Plenty of possible reason why all three would have hot-tailed it to such a dead-end location as Gillam. Its likely the killer knew the area from past experience, knew of the train schedules - remember nobody's looking for him at the time of the Rav4 torching. (or today) Perhaps he knew of a train time slowing past right after the burning. Wouldn't be a problem for the killer either to execute these two once he'd got them suitably framed, or indeed even stroked them into believing they would rendevous at some future fictitious point, and sent them on their way to perish.

Quite possibly the two suspects know nothing of the killings at all, but its almost a certainty that they're not experienced enough to have survived this long in such uncompromising bush. They've been dead a while. And sadly, the killer's long away as per the mantracker story above.

I can't imagine the heartbreak felt by all three families of the victims.

4hrs is perfectly normal as a response rate in this remote area. The closest RCMP was in Fort Nelson, 300km away. Watson Lake has RCMP and is closer (200km) but this is BC jurisdiction.

 

[Arizona 123]

Maybe they were at the same pullout, and he offered them a meal.

When I read this, it chilled me to the point I got actual goosebumps (something I am far from prone to). It sounds so very plausible. He was a college prof, and the two suspects are of an age group he's accustomed to dealing with. Yeah, he'd probably offer them some hot food.

 

[dameagatha]

Maybe they were at the same pullout, and he offered them a meal.

I can see that, too. They would not have had to double back, as some people proposed early on.

Three weeks ago I really wanted to believe in their innocence. But burning the Rav, to me, is diagnostic. I think it says, We’re outta here. I know for myself, just shopping at Walmart makes me feel suicidal, so I don’t anymore, and they worked there 5 weeks. I’ll bet it felt like a lifetime.

These two didn’t have a lot of options for freedom. “Our parents told us to take a long joy ride,” Kam said in Cold Lake.

Two references come to mind:

1. Dartmouth College murders — 2 teenagers murder kind professors
2001 Dartmouth College murders - Wikipedia

2. The movie Daisy Miller — she blows up a house in the final scene
Inside Daisy Clover - Wikipedia

 

[dameagatha]

That stuff being found near the location of that damaged boat, makes me think they did in fact drown. These guys aren’t criminal masterminds. Clearly.

There is just no place for them to go from that spot on the river. If they’d gotten on the tracks at 7 pm north of the Rav they could have walked south past Gillam. But the evidence suggests they walked south through Sundance to the river, east of the dam. Heavy rain later that week.

 

[Miranda]

It is well know through media that Lucas Fowler and Chynna are free-spirited seasoned travellers. They met in Chechnya, they have travelled far and wide, and they were murdered in Canada.

It is also known that Lucas and Chynna could not be identified through the vehicle licence plate registration. There's no way that it would take 3 days to identify the victims if the licence plate was on the up and up.

I'm saying that messing up with the registration is one thing, carrying an illegal or bowered gun is over the top unbelievable.

I'm fairly sure they met in Croatia

 

[Optics]

I assumed they were face up. The road worker noticed a small wound in LF’s abdomen and blood bubbles around CD’s mouth.

........the roadworker who 'touched them' was also a certified paramedic thus also why he was asked to secure the scene.

 

[Iwondertoo]

Couldn't they have stripped off their clothes in the water or thrown some in? RCMP can't give up totally just based on something being washed ashore.

I haven't seen anything that's led me to believe the RCMP have given up. They are just suspending their search until further clues come in...or not.

IF these 2 drowned (I'm not buying it) then when or where might their bodies wash ashore I wonder?I say bring in some Australian police or American Police heck even the FBI as this is an International case isn't it? Just wondering out loud...

No, it's not an International case. It's a crime committed in Canada.

Although international victims are involved, every country on earth has their own laws and law enforcement. And in this case, I have full faith of my countries' law force (I'm Canadian) being on top of this case.

 

[Optics]

Speaking of a sense of direction, maybe they thought they were headed for Nelson BC!

Yikes Hope not, Nelson BC is the area I live at.

 

[Stargazer34]

I don’t feel sorry for AS at all and there’s probably good reason why the media is staying clear of him now. It seems evident to me he’s riding off the tragic and senseless murder of three innocent people to create a pity party on himself and by extension, his son.

https://chatnewstoday.ca/2019/07/30/b-c-murder-suspects-father-rev

I don’t feel sorry for AS at all and there’s probably good reason why the media is staying clear of him now. It seems evident to me he’s riding off the tragic and senseless murder of three innocent people to create a pity party on himself and by extension, his son.

https://chatnewstoday.ca/2019/07/30...r-reveals-details-of-troubled-life-in-book-2/
“He (AS) said he sent the book to reporters to highlight how a “broken system” has shaped him and his son.

“My son and I have been treated like footballs. It’s time for some truth,” he said.

He writes that he was arrested by Victoria police on Aug. 4, 2008, his son Bryer’s eighth birthday, three years after his acrimonious split with the boy’s mother. In a rambling, profanity-laden recollection, he explains how he was sentenced to probation because he had no criminal history at the time.

Court records show he was charged with criminal harassment in December 2008. He was found guilty of the lesser offence of disobeying a court order.

He returned to court numerous times over the next decade.

A new criminal harassment charge was filed in 2012 and a number of breach of probation charges were added in 2014. He was later found guilty of the criminal harassment charge and some probation charges.

In 2016, he was found guilty of two additional criminal harassment charges, and in January 2018, he was found guilty of another criminal harassment charge and two breach of probation charges.

It’s unclear whether his ex-wife was the target of the harassment in each case, but Schmegelsky said in an interview that at least some of the charges were filed because the boy’s mother feared he would murder her, saying he was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication. He denies these allegations.

Schmegelsky writes in the book that a forensic psychologist diagnosed him as “delusional,” a conclusion he disagreed with. His lawyer described him as “autistic” at one point, he writes, and he was ordered to attend a crisis counselling centre but couldn’t afford to attend for very long as it wasn’t a government program....”

But in that same article it says this:

The 132-page book, which Alan Schmegelsky said he planned to self-publish this week but now does not intend to publish for sale, reveals new details of his troubled life and his numerous encounters with police and courts.




eals-details-of-troubled-life-in-book-2/
“He (AS) said he sent the book to reporters to highlight how a “broken system” has shaped him and his son.

“My son and I have been treated like footballs. It’s time for some truth,” he said.

He writes that he was arrested by Victoria police on Aug. 4, 2008, his son Bryer’s eighth birthday, three years after his acrimonious split with the boy’s mother. In a rambling, profanity-laden recollection, he explains how he was sentenced to probation because he had no criminal history at the time.

Court records show he was charged with criminal harassment in December 2008. He was found guilty of the lesser offence of disobeying a court order.

He returned to court numerous times over the next decade.

A new criminal harassment charge was filed in 2012 and a number of breach of probation charges were added in 2014. He was later found guilty of the criminal harassment charge and some probation charges.

In 2016, he was found guilty of two additional criminal harassment charges, and in January 2018, he was found guilty of another criminal harassment charge and two breach of probation charges.

It’s unclear whether his ex-wife was the target of the harassment in each case, but Schmegelsky said in an interview that at least some of the charges were filed because the boy’s mother feared he would murder her, saying he was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication. He denies these allegations.

Schmegelsky writes in the book that a forensic psychologist diagnosed him as “delusional,” a conclusion he disagreed with. His lawyer described him as “autistic” at one point, he writes, and he was ordered to attend a crisis counselling centre but couldn’t afford to attend for very long as it wasn’t a government program....”[/QUOTE
DBM

 

[Optics]

It could have been anyone, people have said the bodies were there until afternoon on the 16th, uncovered.

The photo was taken by the trucker who came upon the blue van and two bodies and stayed until Trevor Pierre arrived to secure the scene.

 

[Stargazer34]

I don’t feel sorry for AS at all and there’s probably good reason why the media is staying clear of him now. It seems evident to me he’s riding off the tragic and senseless murder of three innocent people to create a pity party on himself and by extension, his son.

https://chatnewstoday.ca/2019/07/30...r-reveals-details-of-troubled-life-in-book-2/
“He (AS) said he sent the book to reporters to highlight how a “broken system” has shaped him and his son.

“My son and I have been treated like footballs. It’s time for some truth,” he said.

He writes that he was arrested by Victoria police on Aug. 4, 2008, his son Bryer’s eighth birthday, three years after his acrimonious split with the boy’s mother. In a rambling, profanity-laden recollection, he explains how he was sentenced to probation because he had no criminal history at the time.

Court records show he was charged with criminal harassment in December 2008. He was found guilty of the lesser offence of disobeying a court order.

He returned to court numerous times over the next decade.

A new criminal harassment charge was filed in 2012 and a number of breach of probation charges were added in 2014. He was later found guilty of the criminal harassment charge and some probation charges.

In 2016, he was found guilty of two additional criminal harassment charges, and in January 2018, he was found guilty of another criminal harassment charge and two breach of probation charges.

It’s unclear whether his ex-wife was the target of the harassment in each case, but Schmegelsky said in an interview that at least some of the charges were filed because the boy’s mother feared he would murder her, saying he was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication. He denies these allegations.

Schmegelsky writes in the book that a forensic psychologist diagnosed him as “delusional,” a conclusion he disagreed with. His lawyer described him as “autistic” at one point, he writes, and he was ordered to attend a crisis counselling centre but couldn’t afford to attend for very long as it wasn’t a government program....”

But in that same article it says this :

The 132-page book, which Alan Schmegelsky said he planned to self-publish this week but now does not intend to publish for sale, reveals new details of his troubled life and his numerous encounters with police and courts.

I wonder if he sent the book to media because he felt it gave some insight into BS struggles and in his mind explains some of the reasons behind what he's done. AS clearly feels very bitter towards the system and how it treated him and his son. I also wonder if he feels some guilt that some of his (perceived) injustice and anger rubbed off on BS and contributed to who he's become and what he's done. Parents in a bitter divorce often talk about the other parent to their child in a completely inappropriate way and the child ends up piggy in the middle.

Just some thoughts and moo.

 

[FactFinder3000]

So why are you placing the boat location (map) so far above the "Lower Limestone Rapids?" That was the question.

It's not. Did you not see the map I posted? Lower Limestone Rapids are way above that spot, and I question a little if the spot isn't a little too far downstream, frankly.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I haven't seen anything that's led me to believe the RCMP have given up. They are just suspending their search until further clues come in...or not.



No, it's not an International case. It's a crime committed in Canada.

Although international victims are involved, every country on earth has their own laws and law enforcement. And in this case, I have full faith of my countries' law force (I'm Canadian) being on top of this case.

The crime may have been commited in Canada, but two of the victims are from different countries: Australia and the United States. So this case most definitely has international interest and, in particular, the Australian press has been all over it.

 

[Optics]

It is well know through media that Lucas Fowler and Chynna are free-spirited seasoned travellers. They met in Chechnya, they have travelled far and wide, and they were murdered in Canada.

They met in Croatia not Chechnya

 

[Iwondertoo]

The crime may have been commited in Canada, but two of the victims are from different countries: Australia and the United States. So this case most definitely has international interest and, in particular, the Australian press has been all over it.

Australian and US press may very well be interested in this story as they should be. But the resolve of this case is very much in the hands of Canadian law and our law enforcement.

 

[scrappinkat]

The photo was taken by the trucker who came upon the blue van and two bodies and stayed until Trevor Pierre arrived to secure the scene.

Yes. Doesn’t change that according to witnesses the bodies lay there uncovered til the afternoon of the 16th.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Am I mistaken, or was it not initially reported that the bodies of Fowler and Deese had been discovered by someone before the road worker/medic guy, possibly a trucker, who left the road worker there and drove away?

Has that person every been identified or interviewed or even mentioned again? I'm just wondering if there is another person's account of the crime scene out there, someone who may have picked up on different details or noticed something before the road worker got there.

Monday, July 15, 2019 circa 6:45: Trevor Pierre’s (road worker/paramedic) boss called him to say that a young couple had been found dead and he was asked to attend the scene and secure it until police arrived. He saw a trucker stopped at the site, visibly upset. He said the trucker had called RCMP. The trucker had called RCMP to advise and provided his name so they could follow him up.

‘Still troubled by it’: Witness recounts securing the scene of northern B.C. double murder