Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #12

[Deleted member 248860]

I think that the police will keep working on the three murders until they are satisfied that they have been solved and loose ends have been cleaned up.

I also think that they will disclose the causes of death of McLeod and Schmegelsky once they have been determined and after they have told all five families.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Maybe it does make sense. If they bought it.

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It could have been an amulet, or just a child-like sentimental thing. Young people are a combination of adult and wanting to hold on to childhood at that age.

This could be one of the personal items.

I know when it comes to suicide, a lot of times the decision is made in a short period of time (minutes/hours) and the person may have contradictory behavior leading up to it, like going about their normal lives and so on. Maybe it's the same with homicide.

Yes, I'm starting to think Bryer must have left something (ie suicide note) why the dad seemed so certain this would end in death. He said RIP Bryer pretty quickly.

I feel like his family had some idea that he had serious issues but were kind of in denial about it, but once this happened they put two and two together. Or maybe he had been suicidal in the past but they thought he was past it. But who knows, he could have left a note or something on his computer.

Has anyone considered that KM may have been forced by BS into this mess? Maybe KM was the one who set fire to the Rav on purpose? Maybe he left clothing behind.... I don’t know but if BS had a mental break and had a gun and KM was just trying to keep calm.... I don’t know I just find the whole thing very weird. Why burn the car unless you want to be found. I guess the RCMP will tell us in the coming weeks.

Someone asked about the coroners report. You can get a copy of it but the investigation has to be over. At least that is my experience in Ontario.

Bryer didn't even know how to drive as far as we know. Kam had so many opportunities to go to someone for help, including when they were stopped by the officers. A lot of their actions made no sense but I don't think either of them forced the other into doing it.

 

[copkid]

It is such a vast area and the brush so dense. Also the muskeg all over. Literally looking for two needles in a haystack. I am surprised they finally found them. If thy hadn't marked the spot (or close by) with their clothes or whatever, then I doubt they would ever have been located.

That boat, that mysterious boat, if the boat had not been spotted they likely never would have been found.

 

[aphoto]

The fact that the boat along with personal belongings appeared where it had not been seen before per LE surveillance footage, makes me think that they were not dead in the bush all this time. But what do I know...

Water works in mysterious ways (well there is a science to it) so it wouldn’t surprise me if they made an attempt in the boat, it capsized, they made it to shore, the boat and belongings ended up underwater in a rapid and only got spat out days later. It’s all speculation at this stage anyway.

We don’t know, and probably won’t for a while, if they died 2 weeks ago or 12 hours ago.

Having personally stood in the ashes of the RAV4 and walked around the vicinity of Sundance both during police searches and alone while piecing things together it’s very eerie to think they may have been alive lurking in the bushes nearby.

 

[sandbar]

There will still be an investigation.

 

[aphoto]

I think the public who footed the bill for this costly manhunt will expect and is entitled to hear the discoveries.

If only that’s how it worked. There is a lot of things you and I pay taxes towards but will never know.

 

[pharmchick]

I don't believe this BC RCMP press conference is an actual thing The Manitoba conference was at 3:00 their time. I have checked the BC RCMP website, Facebook and Twitter and it is not mentioned.

Watching CBC News Network and they have mentioned several times that it will be starting soon. Global has also prepared a link that will go live soon here: B.C. murder suspects Bryer Schmegelsky, Kam McLeod believed to be dead

 

[Jen-Knee]

One of the links where the BCRCMP press coverage will be live is on Global BC's site

B.C. murder suspects Bryer Schmegelsky, Kam McLeod believed to be dead

Begins in less than 15 minutes.

 

[SiciC]

I can't imagine how confused and hurt their families must be and will probably always be from now on. It's all so senseless. It was reported earlier that Chynna's mother said she was "speechless" at the news, I bet these guys families are thinking the same. They destroyed their victims lives, their victims families, their own lives, and their own families lives. For what?! To die alone in the woods?

 

[Jen-Knee]

Ian Bailey on Twitter

Awaiting #RCMP -BC news conference in #SurreyBC on end of #CANADAmanhunt . Speakers: Assistant #RCMP Commissioner Kevin Hackett and Staff/Sgt Annie Linteau.

 

[cdnjan]

What’s interesting is that if they’d given themselves up they would have gotten life and been famous/notorious. If they died of hypothermia, they must have realised it was inevitable long before it happened. If murder/suicide, it strikes me as a somewhat surprising decision, and raises the question of whether there was a note or notes.

Caveat: If they died of hypothermia in the first 24 hours or so, it’s possible that it snuck up on them and they did not realise how much trouble they were in from the elements.

I swore I heard an expert say the elements would not kill them up there. Winter for sure but not summer time. So many here are saying possibly the elements. Wish I could hear another "expert" I do believe water/food could have been a part of their demise .. I think strongly at the end of the day it was suicide.

 

[Trooper]

And so it ends, not with a bang, as it started, but with a whimper.

Hungry, disoriented, overwhelmed, they must have made a colossal error, with those kind of monumental consequences that happen, instantly, when you are out of your element, on the run, and out of mojo.

It was inexplicable that the killing for sport, or gain simply stopped. The only logical conclusion was their own unsung, unattended deaths, at first I figured they would do themselves in, but they would have to hang on to some ammo to do that, and then there is the argument about who holds that ammo for that last stand..

Strange young men, with not a lot going for them in life, stacked up against the billions of young men throughout the world, under circumstances far more bleak, who manage to keep calm and carry on.

Vale, Lucas, Chynna, Len.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't believe this BC RCMP press conference is an actual thing The Manitoba conference was at 3:00 their time. I have checked the BC RCMP website, Facebook and Twitter and it is not mentioned.

Indeed it could be a reporting error but the time in BC is earlier than Manitoba, not later.

“RCMP in British Columbia are holding a news conference at 3 p.m. PT (6 p.m. ET). CBC News will carry it live....”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/rcmp-significant-announcement-1.5239053

 

[NJSleuth91]

I swore I heard an expert say the elements would not kill them up there. Winter for sure but not summer time. So many here are saying possibly the elements. Wish I could hear another "expert" I do believe water/food could have been a part of their demise .. I think strongly at the end of the day it was suicide.

The elements can kill anyone at any time. People have died from the elements on a day hike in a well-traversed state park an hour outside of NYC, so people can certainly die from the elements hiding out in extremely dense, uninhabited, swampy bush full of bugs and plagued by heavy thunderstorms.

 

[Moonlitnight]

Watching CBC News Network and they have mentioned several times that it will be starting soon. Global has also prepared a link that will go live soon here: B.C. murder suspects Bryer Schmegelsky, Kam McLeod believed to be dead

Thank you very much. I stand corrected.

 

[Oz Jen]

DBM

 

[Justatheory]

With the latest news, the suspects seem to be dead. It might be a few days before we learn how they met their demise, whether by misadventure or by suicide. What seems certain now, however, is that they didn't actually have a plan, not after they committed their crimes in BC anyway. They were on the run, and making it up as they went along. Perhaps they didn't know they were heading toward the end of the road, literally and figuratively, until they got there.

 

[LietKynes]

These were young men not boys. They made their choices and I can't dig deep enough to find sorrow for them. My own children are this age, in fact one is even a "gamer" and if they set off on a murderous spree I would feel a lot more pain for the victims and their families than for my own family.

Ita.
And thank you for saying this.
If there's anything we can learn from these serial killers -- it's that some families need to spend time listening to their children, even adult ones.
Train them up right and to understand that there are consequences to murdering people.
Someone posted earlier about these same thoughts.

 

[Bluehorse]

My bet is that the trip into the woods was meant to either forage for food, or quickly hide from an overhead plane/drone. Either way, some gear was left with the intent of returning, but the return trip was not to be for whatever reason.

Why go into the woods to commit suicide? Does not make sense. It wouldn't be to make the bodies forever unfindable, otherwise, they would not have left anything to be spotted on the shore. For whatever reason they went into the woods, my guess is they became disoriented and that was the beginning of the end for them.

That's the only thing I can think of to explain why they were found together, unless one succumbed to the elements and the other took his life after. Could also be a murder/suicide. I'm anticipating the autopsy results, wonder how long it'll take to complete.

I'm leaning towards hyperthermia rather than suicide. If they were going to commit suicide I'm inclined to think they would have displayed themselves. If they attempted the boat and fell into the water and fell asleep in the bush, they would be at risk for hypothermia. We will find out soon enough.

 

[Moonlitnight]

Indeed it could be a reporting error but the time in BC is earlier than Manitoba, not later.

“RCMP in British Columbia are holding a news conference at 3 p.m. PT (6 p.m. ET). CBC News will carry it live....”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/rcmp-significant-announcement-1.5239053

Gawd. I embarrass myself some times.