Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #12

[Gina20]

I think that it is highly unlikely that there will be an inquest into these deaths, and I suspect that the families would be dead opposed. There is nothing mysterious about what happened and no big public policy lessons to be learned for the future.

I think there are some lessons to be learned. Here's me saying once again that I expect to hear about this in question period in federal parliament come fall, this election year. Families don't get to decide if an inquest will be held, but some families might welcome one.

 

[olivebpa1]

I honestly don’t think hypothermia is the cod. It’s simply not cold enough, even if they were wet. Sleeping covered in deep brush also allows heat to be retained.

They could have just starved to death or died from lack of water. Even if one of them died first the other one may have just stayed with the dead body and waited for death them self.

 

[otto]

That has not been explicitly stated. 1km from the evidence and in the dense bush is all we know.

Evidence was found on the shore, bodies were found 1 km from the evidence and 8 km from the car.

"RCMP say they found “several items” directly linked to a pair of B.C. murdersuspects along the banks of the Nelson River on Friday."​

Manitoba RCMP say ‘several items’ found on shoreline linked to B.C. murder suspects

"The bodies were discovered within 1km from where the items were found."​

Canadian police find bodies of murder suspects

 

[NJSleuth91]

Both families making it very clear they do not want to talk to media.

Come on, dudes, how about being decent human beings and giving them some time to grieve and process all this s*** instead of shoving cameras and microphones in their faces so you can meet your story deadline? The media really pisses me off sometimes.

 

[LietKynes]

Come on, dudes, how about being decent human beings and giving them some time to grieve and process all this s*** instead of shoving cameras and microphones in their faces so you can meet your story deadline? The media really pisses me off sometimes.

Emph mine

ITA !!

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I think there are some lessons to be learned. Here's me saying once again that I expect to hear about this in question period in federal parliament come fall, this election year. Families don't get to decide if an inquest will be held, but some families might welcome one.

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. I think the possibility of this being an issue in Parliament is about as likely as an inquest is, which is to say not much of one. I can’t even think of what the issue would be in Parliament.

You are within a whisker of saying that you think that there will be a public inquiry

It’s a murder case, not even a complicated one, and it’s been solved.

 

[tmar]

Bodies of B.C. homicide suspects found in Manitoba wilderness, ending country-wide manhunt

Stephanie Ip
3 hrs ago
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The bodies of two B.C. homicide suspects have been found following a police hunt that had lasted three weeks and stretched across four provinces.

Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, and Kam McLeod, 19, were found dead in dense brush near the community of Gillam, Manitoba RCMP announced at a news conference on Wednesday morning.

The bodies were found around 10 a.m. on Wednesday, said RCMP Asst. Commissioner Jane MacLatchy. An autopsy has been scheduled to take place in Winnipeg to determine the identities and cause of death though police believe the bodies are those of Schmegelsky and McLeod.
...
“We knew that we needed to just find that one critical piece of evidence,” said MacLatchy. “On Friday, Aug. 2, that one critical piece of evidence was found.”

MacLatchy said items linked to the suspects – including an abandoned aluminum boat – were found on the shoreline of the Nelson River on Friday.

That discover allowed police to narrow down their search area and on Wednesday morning, police located the bodies of the two men about 1 kilometre from where the items were found and about 8 kilometres from where the suspects’ last known vehicle was found on fire.

 

[janewall]

People who are criticl of the RCMP need to get out an old-fashioned paper map to realize the awesome vastness of Canada's north, not to mention the very dense forest. Spotters in a plane would have a very hard time seeing anything on the ground. In the end, they did spot the boat on the shore from the air which led to the chain of events resulting in finding the bodies. It helped them narrow the search.

Amen. I think once it became clear that BS and KM were on the run into even more remote areas, the RCMP did a bang-up job of further isolating these punks from civilization so they were unlikely to be able to harm anyone else, and then letting environmental and mental stress do the rest of the job.

The BC RCMP press conference seemed to make it pretty clear that they believe KM and BS are responsible for Lucas and Chynna's deaths, but that they were still awaiting forensics that met the necessary burden required by the Crown to lay charges on those two deaths.

They did say they hadn't identified the man in the sketch, which was interesting as they were also adamant there were no other suspects. They also indicated there is no further risk to the public. Something missing there.

Interesting questions that I think many of us are also pondering. We'll probably get some answers with time, but not others.

and

Do you think it was KM on the road? As he's the only 1 of the 2 dead suspects that had a beard. But KM's wasn't dark nor so bushy like the sketch.

I don't think there's anything missing here, and I do think KM is the bearded guy in the sketch. Sometimes sketches are pretty widely off the mark, and that's even more likely when they're based on a sighting at 11:30 pm on a roadside.

Finally, I stand corrected on my very early stance that the Dease Lake murder was unlikely to be linked to the murders of LF and CD, based on the significant distance between the two locations. @otto, you were right not to discount the possibility that there could be a deranged road warrior (or two) cutting a swath of havoc and ill will through the wilds of BC ... and, as it turned out, much of western Canada. I'm just glad that for whatever reason - they ran out of ammo, they got spooked by the trusty Mounties, they started having second thoughts about their misbegotten lifegame - there were no further innocents victimized in this pointless rampage. RIP to the 3 victims whose lives were snuffed out prematurely, and may their families find some small comfort in knowing that their murderers died alone, outcast, and probably in physical misery.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Ive wondered at times if the sketch wasnt somehow inadvertantly depicting LF .

The eyes in particular in some msm pics of LF along with the beard.

Plus a v hipster type hat


Eta correction to LF

I've long believed the sketch resembled the Texas suspect Whisenand.

As a highway employee, witness would be aware of Whisenand crossing into Canada late June, and it follows he could have been on her mind when she gave description.

Also believe it's possible worker recanted this sighting with Lucas, and why the topic went dark. MOO

RCMP Manitoba‏Verified account @rcmpmb
WANTED for Murder (Texas): 27yo Derek WHISENAND illegally crossed into Canada around June 24. May have a gun & is considered DANGEROUS. Travelling with a lrg mixed breed dog with a brindle coat. DO NOT APPROACH - If seen, call 911. #rcmpmb. For more info: http://rcmp-grc.ca/55749

7:51 AM - 9 Jul 2019

 

[PNZ]

I think there are some lessons to be learned. Here's me saying once again that I expect to hear about this in question period in federal parliament come fall, this election year. Families don't get to decide if an inquest will be held, but some families might welcome one.

I would think investigators have learned A LOT about the north and how their techniques work or don't work. I also think that the safety and well-being of residents in remote and relatively 'unserviced' areas needs to be reviewed. These two were able to travel under the radar for a long time and there could be others out there who will now head north to avoid the long arm of the law … and now they have a 'how to' guide to the north.

 

[Seattle1]

Mercedes Stephenson‏Verified account @MercedesGlobal
Commissioner Lucki tells members of the RCMP officers logged more than 4,500 investigation hours during this search over more than 11,000 square kms and deployed airplanes, helicopters, boats, ATVs, police dogs, armoured vehicles, drones and underwater recovery teams.

3:51 PM - 7 Aug 2019 pt

 

[Deleted member 248860]

and now [criminals] they have a 'how to' guide to the north.

They sure do. The lesson is, winding up on one-way roads to nowhere and wandering around the bush isn’t a great idea if (a) you don’t want to get caught and (b) you want to live

 

[Estrojane]

What a weird anti-climactic end for two arrogant and delusional murderous nincompoops.

 

[SiciC]

They could have just starved to death or died from lack of water. Even if one of them died first the other one may have just stayed with the dead body and waited for death them self.

Either way, it must have been a miserable situation. They possibly could've gotten sick and delirious from contaminated water or bug bites. My main theory (right now) is that they commit suicide, there was some signs that I thought indicated they didn't intend to be around much longer, such as the matches and tinned food they left behind at the burned SUV. If they were going into the woods with intentions on surviving out there and living off the grid, matches and food would be essential.... Why would they have left behind crucial items like that unless they didn't plan on needing them..

jmo!

 

[pentimento]

Evidence was found on the shore, bodies were found 1 km from the evidence and 8 km from the car.

"RCMP say they found “several items” directly linked to a pair of B.C. murdersuspects along the banks of the Nelson River on Friday."​

Manitoba RCMP say ‘several items’ found on shoreline linked to B.C. murder suspects

"The bodies were discovered within 1km from where the items were found."​

Canadian police find bodies of murder suspects

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Nice map. It makes me wonder if as a last ditch effort to evade detection, they took the boat from somewhere near where Sundance Creek meets the Nelson, hit some rough water (which seems visible from the image), capsized, and swam to shore. Then the boat and the water jug made their way on down the river to where they were found. They must have been in bad shape at this point, so they left some items behind on the shore and made their way inland to find shelter. Pure speculation of course.

 

[Seattle1]

Global news says the bodies were near the shoreline.
So drowned after capsizing in rapids?

Strange -- nowhere does the security source indicate the location of the bodies.

Do you have link for this news? Thanks.

Mercedes Stephenson‏Verified account @MercedesGlobal
Internal broadcast to all @RCMP members from @CommrRCMPGRC Lucki provided by a security source to @globalnews addressing the discovery of the remains of Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod #RCMP

3:47 PM - 7 Aug 2019 pt

 

[scrappinkat]

I’m confused by the statement that I’ve bolded. Is she saying they received tips about the Texas guy and that there was a probable link between him and the murders of Fowler/Deese? (It wasn’t a possible presence in Canada, he was/maybe still is, in Canada). If details about evidence that led police to link Kam/Bryer aren’t released I think this case will grow into a divisive example of why people will choose to either support the police or worse eschew them.

Staff Sgt. Janelle Shoihet from the RCMP in B.C. weighed in.

“We had, in advance of naming Schmegelsky and McLeod as suspects in the homicides in northern BC, received numerous tips from the public in relation to Derek Whisenand’s possible presence in Canada and a probable link to the homicides,” she said.

“The RCMP does not consider Whisenand a suspect.”​

‘A murderer from Texas’: RCMP debunk five conspiracy theories about the B.C. fugitives

 

[acutename]

Joe Scarpelli on Twitter

"I’m about 6 km from where Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod’s bodies were found. It’s too dangerous to get there by foot. A local can be heard in this video describing the area."

Interesting video at the link. Gives some perspective on how difficult this search must have been for the RCMP.

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not really surprised that the river bank looks steep, rocky brushy and uninhabitable. wilderness.

 

[Doverite]

I've long believed the sketch resembled the Texas suspect Whisenand.

As a highway employee, witness would be aware of Whisenand crossing into Canada late June, and it follows he could have been on her mind when she gav description.

Also believe it's possible worker recanted this sighting with Lucas, and why the topic went dark. MOO



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RCMP Manitoba‏Verified account @rcmpmb
WANTED for Murder (Texas): 27yo Derek WHISENAND illegally crossed into Canada around June 24. May have a gun & is considered DANGEROUS. Travelling with a lrg mixed breed dog with a brindle coat. DO NOT APPROACH - If seen, call 911. #rcmpmb. For more info: http://rcmp-grc.ca/55749

7:51 AM - 9 Jul 2019

And hopefully the police do too and are out searching for this guy also.

 

[acutename]

They searched much of this vast area using heat-detecting technology in the Hercules. If they had been dead shortly after the RAV4 fire, there probably wouldn't have been any heat.

how many degrees above background does that detect?