Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #12

[Zella]

They were also both around 6'4".

Yeah I actually question that height for KM--based on some screenshots of them leaving the store, I think he's a good 4 inches shorter--but I would agree he was definitely above average height, so that would be another clue for both bodies.

 

[Moonlitnight]

I think their bodies are probably in bad shape due to the elements--and also because MOO but I think they killed themselves shortly after getting there and have probably been dead a couple of weeks--but I think the proximity to their items, the fact there are 2 of them, and if they are relatively intact, the fact they are two youngish, tall, white men would give them confidence even if they couldn't confidently ID visually them. Because the odds of them being anyone else are pretty slim. I don't know if BS had distinguishing marks beyond his height and thin frame, but KM had distinctive moles on his face that, if still visible, may have provided a quick on-the-spot confirmation for him.

True, but observing protocol would probably require ID by a family member or friend (obviously, not going to happen here) or DNA, although that might take a couple of weeks.

 

[Schmoosh]

I thought the courts just admonished him to take care of his mental health. There wasn’t any specific info stated. It could have simply meant attend counselling when feeling despondent. If it was to take medications wouldn't they have specified that??

Let's just leave it at that.

 

[scrappinkat]

Similar thinking here, except I wonder if the ride downstream started to get a bit bumpy and they saw the rapids approaching...then, unable to navigate or paddle the SS Minnow back to shore, they had to jump ship and swim to shore as final resort. As you suggested, the boat and jug then went through the rapids, and the bozos had to leave their wet clothes on shore and go into the woods for shelter and an attempt to warm up.

And now you know, the rrrrest of the story.

They could have died as a result of dry drowning, if they did in fact attempt to use the boat that had also been found.

 

[missy1974]

Ah, yes! Thank you. Was second guessing myself haha.

So the ATM theory still stands for me then.

I hadn't thought of an ATM, but could be.

Welcome to Weblseuths

 

[Zella]

True, but observing protocol would probably require ID by a family member or friend (obviously, not going to happen here) or DNA, although that might take a couple of weeks.

Agreed! I think the RCMP covered their bases by saying they believed it was them--which is very reasonable to assume--but will hold off on definitively saying so until it is properly confirmed.

 

[Kiantra]

I thought the courts just admonished him to take care of his mental health. There wasn’t any specific info stated. It could have simply meant attend counselling when feeling despondent. If it was to take medications wouldn't they have specified that??

At this point it doesn’t really matter because it doesn’t affect the case or the charges against Breyer. BS charges are not going to be based upon what AS says in his book/story/parenting skills or lack of taking meds nor seeking appropriate professional help. While we might be upset at what AS is doing right now. In the big scheme of things it makes no difference.

 

[Moonlitnight]

And the sun sets on another day. Night all. A huge thanks to the mods here and to WS in general for creating a site where so many differing opinions can be shared without acrimony.

 

[aphoto]

Thank you. Hopefully we will eventually get an exact location.

I can probably arrange that in the next day or two

 

[Schmoosh]

At this point it doesn’t really matter because it doesn’t affect the case or the charges against Breyer. BS charges are not going to be based upon what AS says in his book/story/parenting skills or lack of taking meds nor seeking appropriate professional help. While we might be upset at what AS is doing right now. In the big scheme of things it makes no difference.

BS won't have any charges brought against him. He's dead.

 

[MassGuy]

True, but observing protocol would probably require ID by a family member or friend (obviously, not going to happen here) or DNA, although that might take a couple of weeks.

Dental records would also provide positive identification.

I’m sure DNA is taken regardless though.

 

[LoisLane]

I am not asking whether someone will know. I am guessing someone knows, right now. The coroner will know.

I am asking whether the public will know in Canada. Can you answer that question? Can someone say?

Of course they can say whether it was likely hypothermia vs a gunshot would vs other causes (such as drug overdose). Hypothermia would be the presumed reason, and clues would include the posture in which the bodies were found.

But will we ever know it.

Just catching up so maybe this has been shared already. This was in the news recently regarding a coroners report being released to the public. Basically, it was decided to be in the public’s best interest because the missing person case was so well known to the general public.

“Andy Watson with the coroners service says the details in the public report were carefully considered and the chief coroner determined the public interest in disclosing the information outweighed Kilmer’s personal privacy. A statement issued by the coroner’s service says “the brief summary in the coroner’s report establishes the facts, addresses speculation and quiets the public imagination.”

More details in the article:
'Public interest' prompts B.C. coroner to release details in death of Ben Kilmer

 

[Gina20]

It's double doors. If you look at the reflection, you can see the outside doors in the glass (the 2nd set). So the camera is placed between those 2 sets of doors.

The cold climate "air lock", as it's known.

 

[mtnstream]

They could have died as a result of dry drowning, if they did in fact attempt to use the boat that had also been found.

Also, hypothermia, dehydration, weak from no food, or eating something bad, infection from bug bites and/or wounds, etc. If they used the boat, and swamped it, then had to swim to shore, they would have been absolutely miserable. Perhaps they killed themselves. I'm interested to know what happened to them, it would tell a lot about their mental state, imho.

 

[Zella]

Just an FYI, here's the screenshots I was talking about. I used the relative placement of their shoulders as the basis and drew lines to demonstrate. BS's shoulders compared to the door are a good 4 inches above KM's.

Source of screenshots:

I think BS was a legit 6'4"--he always looks ginormous height-wise in every single picture I have seen, despite his very skinny frame--and KM was more like 6'0".

 

[Kubirai]

That would suggest that there is no computer evidence, such as a note or manifesto, of a motive, or at least not one that the police have found yet or want to talk about.

They left sufficient materials in gaming forums, social media, and school records to determine if they were thinking of killing themselves or others.

BC and national RCMP should check how the victims ended up crossing paths with the killers.

The exact motives for each murder isn't really as important as figuring out if the killers were asked to go up Alaska Highway to Whitehorse on July 14. The reason is that extra delay from July 12 departure from Port Alberni.

Same with the gap until Prof Dyck murder on July 19. Where were they from 15th to 18th?

They may have texted others during those days, or their phones may have logged into various cell towers.

 

[scrappinkat]

Just catching up so maybe this has been shared already. This was in the news recently regarding a coroners report being released to the public. Basically, it was decided to be in the public’s best interest because the missing person case was so well known to the general public.

“Andy Watson with the coroners service says the details in the public report were carefully considered and the chief coroner determined the public interest in disclosing the information outweighed Kilmer’s personal privacy. A statement issued by the coroner’s service says “the brief summary in the coroner’s report establishes the facts, addresses speculation and quiets the public imagination.”

More details in the article:
'Public interest' prompts B.C. coroner to release details in death of Ben Kilmer

That had been one of the only times that I can remember a coroners report/details being made public in BC. But I might have only noticed that one because I was following the case.

 

[sandbar]

They could have died as a result of dry drowning, if they did in fact attempt to use the boat that had also been found.

They probably wouldn't be found together if they went overboard.

 

[MassGuy]

They probably wouldn't be found together if they went overboard.

Or that far into the brush.

 

[Kaley Smith]

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