Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Optics]

The professional tracker is said to have led rcmp to the bodies. Was he hired locally or from the Aussie LE assistance?

Just to clarify here in Canada we have 'professional trackers' who are experts in the terrain in Canada. There would be zero reason to hire a tracker from Australia (where the geographic is vastly different also).

 

[sandbar]

I don't know.
And neither do you...
I mean about anything, because police keep all kinds of info to themselves. To me a key question hasn't been answered: when was LD killed? (not when was he found) and when was his last known sighting alive?
I also think it's key to know specifically when K&B left PA (date and time) not just 12 July.
Also, what they took with them.
People seem to be focusing on the end of this tragedy. It ended in a way that was very public, and easy to speculate about/criticize/discuss: there are some concrete people, places and things that we can ponder. IMO what they were up to hours, days or weeks before they left is more indicative of motive, ability, mindset, etc. And that is the stuff that LE might or might not release, and reporters might or might not pursue through a freedom of information request.
It's also easier to ask and answer "why would they go here or do that, etc" than to ask and answer what our role is in a society/culture that made these two and what's with our fascination after the fact...
Just to be clear, these are rhetorical questions and I'm wondering if anyone else is puzzling this out on this level...

 

[Errrr]

The bodies were found in the thick bush by RCMP after reviewing aerial surveillance and zeroing in on a boat.

I thought they zeroed in on the personal items Sawchuck found one km away?

 

[SnooperDuper]

I thought they zeroed in on the personal items Sawchuck found one km away?

Sawchuck saw the sleeping bag quite far away, near Port Nelson, which made the RCMP scan the river again. The rest of the stuff were in completely different spots.

 

[aphoto]

RCMP ‘confident’ bodies of B.C. homicide suspects have been found as manhunt ends

Insane that the globe and mail photographed keys in the ash pile from the burnt out car after the police had removed the car. Clearly the cops didn’t pick up all the potential evidence from the scene. For all we know those keys could link BS and KM to another murder or the leather man could have been a murder weapon.

 

[Optics]

Yeah, the RCMP did a terrible job in my view. The bodies were only found because of civilians. I am breathing a huge sigh of relief that nobody else got killed, because I honestly felt more murders were only a matter of time. Let's face it, the RCMP did absolutely nothing that was effective in stopping these foolish teens. In the end they took themselves out. I'm not quite sure why folks are saying the RCMP did a great job. Why? What did they do that was great?

I can't disagree with you strongly enough, in fact it troubles me that you'd feel they did a 'terrible job'. You are basing your thought the bodies were 'only found because of civilians' on media embellishments. The RCMP are NOT "keystone cops" - would you have rather hypothetically the RCMP did absolutely nothing from day 1 and let the 'civilians' figure out why 3 people were killed, who their killers were, and where they were on the run to?

 

[missy1974]

Yeah, the RCMP did a terrible job in my view. The bodies were only found because of civilians. I am breathing a huge sigh of relief that nobody else got killed, because I honestly felt more murders were only a matter of time. Let's face it, the RCMP did absolutely nothing that was effective in stopping these foolish teens. In the end they took themselves out. I'm not quite sure why folks are saying the RCMP did a great job. Why? What did they do that was great?

I disagree. The fact that they were actually found tells me that they did okay IMO I wish they had been found sooner, I wish they had been found alive, but I am content with the fact that they were found at all. I'm not sure that they could have done anything to stop them sooner?

I'm curious, are you Canadian @FactFinder3000?

 

[missy1974]

The bodies were found in the thick bush by RCMP after reviewing aerial surveillance and zeroing in on a boat.

Right! I am still surprised they found them. It's hard to be critical when they got the job done... JMO though.

 

[Optics]

I find it quite off-putting when the media asked RCMP during a press release whether they should have done things differently; whether they are at fault for the suspects travelling across the country.

I do as well @otto . It is common in a complex case such as this one, and almost standard that the RCMP does a complete internal and external review afterwards - right now is not the time because it is still an active case. The Canadian media knows that and its ridiculous to ask questions of the police at this moment like you said. Assist, Commissioner Hackett also clearly said there will be reviews, there always are in order to better unique complex cases.

 

[tabitha111]

dbm

 

[otto]

I thought they zeroed in on the personal items Sawchuck found one km away?

It was reported that RCMP used aerial images to discover the boat, and from there they did a ground search. During that Aug 2 search they discovered personal items belonging to the suspects on the shore. They continued searching the area and then on Aug 7 they discovered the bodies approx 1 km from the personal items in the thick bush.

Until police say that they did a search of the area because of a sleeping bag somewhere on the river, I'm going to accept what they said - which is that aerial photos revealed the boat.

 

[missy1974]

I do as well @otto . It is common in a complex case such as this one, and almost standard that the RCMP does a complete internal and external review afterwards - right now is not the time because it is still an active case. The Canadian media knows that and its ridiculous to ask questions of the police at this moment like you said. Assist, Commissioner Hackett also clearly said there will be reviews, there always are in order to better unique complex cases.

I will be shocked if there isn't some sort of pubic inquiry down the road. It's what the RCMP does best lol That may also be where we will find out more information about what they knew, how they knew it, etc. They will go through what happened and what they can do to improve.

 

[otto]

I can't disagree with you strongly enough, in fact it troubles me that you'd feel they did a 'terrible job'. You are basing your thought the bodies were 'only found because of civilians' on media embellishments. The RCMP are NOT "keystone cops" - would you have rather hypothetically the RCMP did absolutely nothing from day 1 and let the 'civilians' figure out why 3 people were killed, who their killers were, and where they were on the run to?

It was the RCMP who located the evidence and the bodies. Civilians were not involved.

 

[olivebpa1]

RCMP ‘confident’ bodies of B.C. homicide suspects have been found as manhunt ends

Insane that the globe and mail photographed keys in the ash pile from the burnt out car after the police had removed the car. Clearly the cops didn’t pick up all the potential evidence from the scene. For all we know those keys could link BS and KM to another murder or the leather man could have been a murder weapon.

I haven’t heard anything about keys before. I read the article but didn’t see where they said they got the picture from. There is no way the RCMP just left evidence there.

 

[otto]

dbm

They did not get very far at all. If they put the boat in the water near Sundance, they travelled 8km by water, they must have gone to shore prior to the rapids and then pushed the boat into the water to crash through the rapids.

They made it 1km (0.6M) inland and they died.

 

[FactFinder3000]

The bodies were found in the thick bush by RCMP after reviewing aerial surveillance and zeroing in on a boat.

A boat that was probably there for at least 10 days.

 

[ldlager]

It was reported that RCMP used aerial images to discover the boat, and from there they did a ground search. During that Aug 2 search they discovered personal items belonging to the suspects on the shore. They continued searching the area and then on Aug 7 they discovered the bodies approx 1 km from the personal items in the thick bush.

Until police say that they did a search of the area because of a sleeping bag somewhere on the river, I'm going to accept what they said - which is that aerial photos revealed the boat.

In the Globe and Mail today Mr Sawchuk is quoted as saying "...“They (ie RCMP) were on their way to Port Nelson to find the sleeping bag and that’s when they [spotted] the boat...”
It is unclear from this quote whether the RCMP was on a boat going to Ft Nelson, or if they were flying to Ft Nelson when they spotted the boat

 

[ldlager]

A boat that was probably there for at least 10 days.

Per the Globe and Mail today: "...The aluminum rowboat was severely damaged and had gone through Lower Limestone Rapids, RCMP Inspector Leon Fiedler told The Globe and Mail on the weekend. Police had last scoured the area by air three or four days earlier. (RBBM)

 

[ldlager]

I think the most important question is "Why only half was eaten"

Maybe they were using the car fire to bbq the pork chop?

 

[Optics]

Austin Grabish of CBC News just said the RCMP have said once the autopsies are completed the results will be released. RCMP also said results may not necessarily be today.