Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[NJSleuth91]

I wonder if maybe there was a nefarious sort of Pokemon GO aspect to this. Maybe not a third person per se, but more of a dark, geocaching-type adventure and the stuff they picked up is the stuff that links all people, places, and things. Not a conspiracy, but a sick game or a quest...

Well this guy seems to think so....

Could answers still come in B.C. homicides? Retired Mountie thinks so

Peter German, who retired from the RCMP in 2012, said it will be hard, but there is already some key evidence available that speaks to motive.

“At least one of the individuals seemed to be highly influenced by violent video games,” he said. “His father has spoken publicly about what he believed would happen - death, suicide, going out in a blaze of glory.

“That all goes to motive.”
[...]
German said investigators will look at the suspects' social media accounts, any written documents and communication with family and friends.

“It's surprising in this day and age with social media what you can find.”

The tougher problem, he said, will be determining why the suspects did what they did in the sequence they did.

It may also be difficult to determine why they ended up in Gillam, he said.

“Did they have some sort of a plan that flowed from a video game that they end up in northern Manitoba? What was the next step for them?”

 

[KR72]

In regards to exactly what happened, it's pretty obvious now that we'll never truly know the whole story. As far as why, I think that the two suspects were just plain bad news. It's not video games or anything else. In this case it was two bad seeds whose paths happened to cross.

People have done terrible, terrible things to each other since the dawn of time, long before video games, chat rooms, the internet. In my youth, violent movies, heavy metal, MTV, rap, Dungeons and Dragons were also blamed for bad things that young people did. Before that, it was punk, rock and roll, marijuana, certain books. In 10, 20, 30 years from now there'll be something else.

 

[TTF14]

Why isn't the professor's cause of death being released? It seems weird to me.

 

[Link Haze]

I was poking around BS's Steam account last night. Had looked before but never checked out his screenshots. I never did screenshots for any of my Steam games, so I can't figure out if they show the oldest first or the most recent, but the first one is a screenshot of a game involving players on a boat headed for forested land (in winter).

It could be coincidence, but now I really am wondering if they had a harebrained scheme to use the boat based on a game. If so, I don't think they were able to get into the boat and it got away from them, frustrating their plans. The game was Player Unknown Battlegrounds, which I am not familiar with, and none of the names of the other players in the screen match KM's Steam names. That might be due to KMs privacy settings, though--again I never used the screenshots, so I don't know how they work.

There's another screenshot from Rust a little further down that also features a boat. And further below that is another one from Player Unknown Battlegrounds showing a burning car. He has a couple of other Rust screenshots where his character seems to be in water. I really wish I could figure out when those were all taken.

The only game he played that I recognize from the screenshots is Rome Total War II. LOL I lost many hours of sleep to that game and the cause of conquering the world for Rome a few years ago so recognized it right off.

Steam Community :: Bryer :: Screenshots

The comments on his profile show seem of the normal posting you'd see in the wake of someone's death/infamy on social media. But the last activity of BS's is in response to KM. On June 4th a little after 2 am, KM posted a face on BS's wall. And then several hours later that same day, BS seems to have posted the same face in response. I can't figure out whose face it is supposed to be. Incidentally, it's the only interaction I can see between them on the site, though some of that could be because KM had his profile set to private.

Steam Community :: Bryer

OMG! These screenshots are quite telling. Thanks, Zella.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Fowler's father, a police inspector, pleads for public help with the investigation

Let me clarify, I never said the Australian police offered assistance "with the investigation". I merely said "with the assistance of Australian police". Acting as a liaison and pleading for public's help with the investigation is still "assistance", no matter how small.

CD's family pleaded for public help with the investigation...should we start saying "The RCMP with the assistance of the American police have done a fantastic job so far"? Neither the American nor the Australian police have jurisdiction here. I don't know why the Aussies want to take credit for the outcome in this case, over and over. I think their press has given them the wrong impression. This was an RCMP case alone.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I was poking around BS's Steam account last night. Had looked before but never checked out his screenshots. I never did screenshots for any of my Steam games, so I can't figure out if they show the oldest first or the most recent, but the first one is a screenshot of a game involving players on a boat headed for forested land (in winter).

It could be coincidence, but now I really am wondering if they had a harebrained scheme to use the boat based on a game. If so, I don't think they were able to get into the boat and it got away from them, frustrating their plans. The game was Player Unknown Battlegrounds, which I am not familiar with, and none of the names of the other players in the screen match KM's Steam names. That might be due to KMs privacy settings, though--again I never used the screenshots, so I don't know how they work.

There's another screenshot from Rust a little further down that also features a boat. And further below that is another one from Player Unknown Battlegrounds showing a burning car. He has a couple of other Rust screenshots where his character seems to be in water. I really wish I could figure out when those were all taken.

The only game he played that I recognize from the screenshots is Rome Total War II. LOL I lost many hours of sleep to that game and the cause of conquering the world for Rome a few years ago so recognized it right off.

Steam Community :: Bryer :: Screenshots

The comments on his profile show seem of the normal posting you'd see in the wake of someone's death/infamy on social media. But the last activity of BS's is in response to KM. On June 4th a little after 2 am, KM posted a face on BS's wall. And then several hours later that same day, BS seems to have posted the same face in response. I can't figure out whose face it is supposed to be. Incidentally, it's the only interaction I can see between them on the site, though some of that could be because KM had his profile set to private.

Steam Community :: Bryer

Wow...how did you even find that?! That's so creepy.

PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds - Wikipedia
"In the game, up to one hundred players parachute onto an island and scavenge for weapons and equipment to kill others while avoiding getting killed themselves. The available safe area of the game's map decreases in size over time, directing surviving players into tighter areas to force encounters. The last player or team standing wins the round."

I mean...we're probably reading too much into it...but...yeah. It almost seems too coincidental NOT to be anything, don't you think?

 

[Peace777]

[/QUOTE]continue to confirm our investigative clearing that eliminates any other possibilities or suspects,” Hackett said at the force’s headquarters in Surrey.

“Until that is concluded, we will not close this file.”

https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/new...etermine-in-northern-b-c-deaths-rcmp-say/amp/

Hmm what IF these 2 were lured up to the Gillam area by a possible other unknown suspect, the bearded guy that a witness saw on the highway on the night Lucas and Chynna had broken down? Maybethey were told "we'll hide out up here..." but instead they were murdered to keep their mouths shut? These two as someone mentioned above were found dead so close to the vehicle they burned, were they trying to make a run for it or had they been waiting for someone to "hide them out". Or they could have just committed murder/suicide. But why drive way up that far to do that? Why Gillam? Just wondering out loud....

 

[Elley Mae]

I think another huge factor in so many of these cases is Social Isolation. So many of them are holed up in a basement, not interacting with others, "loner-types". They have few friends other than themselves. They spend much of their time on-line or in a fantasy game world, brooding, depressed and angry. A catalyst for violence.

I know a male (19) that lives in his room in a basement, grandmoms home, playing games/on line/depressed/in therapy/very negative attitude. Comes up to get food and returns. He’s allowed to do as he pleases, it’s sick/disgusting.

 

[Gina20]

I have been mulling over the question of "why did they stop?"

Serial killers: How is the term defined?

“Two (killings) is by definition a serial killer,” Davies said. “People do not go around killing people who are perfect strangers. Serial killers do.”

“If there’s no relationship with the victim, they’re two perfect strangers and the person has killed twice, they’re on their way to what we call a ‘career’ as a serial killer, absolutely.”

“Until these people are actually physically arrested, they will continue to kill,” he said. “How many victims do we need before we call it a serial killer? The reality is we just need one more than one.”

 

[sandbar]

I was poking around BS's Steam account last night. Had looked before but never checked out his screenshots. I never did screenshots for any of my Steam games, so I can't figure out if they show the oldest first or the most recent, but the first one is a screenshot of a game involving players on a boat headed for forested land (in winter).

It could be coincidence, but now I really am wondering if they had a harebrained scheme to use the boat based on a game. If so, I don't think they were able to get into the boat and it got away from them, frustrating their plans. The game was Player Unknown Battlegrounds, which I am not familiar with, and none of the names of the other players in the screen match KM's Steam names. That might be due to KMs privacy settings, though--again I never used the screenshots, so I don't know how they work.

There's another screenshot from Rust a little further down that also features a boat. And further below that is another one from Player Unknown Battlegrounds showing a burning car. He has a couple of other Rust screenshots where his character seems to be in water. I really wish I could figure out when those were all taken.

The only game he played that I recognize from the screenshots is Rome Total War II. LOL I lost many hours of sleep to that game and the cause of conquering the world for Rome a few years ago so recognized it right off.

Steam Community :: Bryer :: Screenshots

The comments on his profile show seem of the normal posting you'd see in the wake of someone's death/infamy on social media. But the last activity of BS's is in response to KM. On June 4th a little after 2 am, KM posted a face on BS's wall. And then several hours later that same day, BS seems to have posted the same face in response. I can't figure out whose face it is supposed to be. Incidentally, it's the only interaction I can see between them on the site, though some of that could be because KM had his profile set to private.

Steam Community :: Bryer

Are any of these games geocaching, or Pokemon GO type games? Like games that have a real world component?

 

[Zella]

I wonder that too...did they ever see that "creepy" side of him or did they see him the way his grandma and great-uncle did? I imagine he must have at least behaved somewhat or they probably would have forced Kam to stop being friends with him years ago.

Yes, I get the impression that the road-trip had the McLeod family's tacit approval, and I don't see that happening unless they thought BS was okay.

The only parent I remember complaining about BS was a next-door neighbor of his grandma's who had a son who was friends with BS for awhile. She said her son told her things about BS that made him uncomfortable, but the only directly negative thing she seemed to observe about him was that she said he seemed to get too into the video games. Incidentally, she said she never saw KM around BS's house or hanging out with her son and BS, but that she saw him all the time when he worked at WM. She said he was very helpful and "had a nice smile."

 

[SnooperDuper]

But they also said the evidence in CD's and LF's murders did not meet the evidentiary threshold yet for charging BS and KM when they were still believed to be alive.

What does this mean? That DNA places them at the scene, but the evidence did not indicate that they committed murder? The timing for them being there does not match the time of death? Or that CD's and LF's possessions were found at Dease Lake or in the banks of the Nelson River? Without more disclosure, we just have to take their word for it, and lack of information will fuel the rumor mills for years to come. Maybe they did want to become a great Canadian mystery, like the Mad Trapper of Rat River, after all. This secrecy will guarantee that it happens.

On Wednesday, Hackett said the force had “anticipated charges were going to be laid.”

“In order to get to the threshold of charge approval status from a crime perspective, they require information, they require evidence, and many times as in this case (were) relying on forensic evidence and forensic reports and that sometimes takes some time,” he said.

“And understandably, until they have definitive results of those examinations, they’re not in any position to lay charges until that happens.

“But we anticipated the charges were going to be laid,” he said.

Northern B.C. manhunt ends, with many questions left unanswered

 

[Zella]

OMG! These screenshots are quite telling. Thanks, Zella.

You're welcome! Trying to poke around Twitch for their accounts, too. LOL I also saw a reference to a YouTube channel for KM in a mainstream news source where they would livestream their game play but have turned up empty on that so far.

Wow...how did you even find that?! That's so creepy.

PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds - Wikipedia
"In the game, up to one hundred players parachute onto an island and scavenge for weapons and equipment to kill others while avoiding getting killed themselves. The available safe area of the game's map decreases in size over time, directing surviving players into tighter areas to force encounters. The last player or team standing wins the round."

I mean...we're probably reading too much into it...but...yeah. It almost seems too coincidental NOT to be anything, don't you think?

It's crazy! But I remember you had wondered if they were trying to re-enact a video game. Maybe they were.

Are any of these games geocaching, or Pokemon GO type games? Like games that have a real world component?

I am not familiar enough with the games to know, but my armchair assumption from what I could see is no. Someone who is more knowledgeable of games might know!

 

[sandbar]

Oh, and why do ppl take screenshots of games? I also understand that people can watch other ppl play video games (and others watch ppl unwrap things, but that's another group of people stuck in their own unique hell) Is there anyway to see what he watched?

 

[Zella]

Oh, and why do ppl take screenshots of games? I also understand that people can watch other ppl play video games (and others watch ppl unwrap things, but that's another group of people stuck in their own unique hell) Is there anyway to see what he watched?

The screenshots baffle me, but I'm also 10 years older than them. LOL I am not a gamer, but every couple of years, I will get into a game for a few days or a couple of weeks at most, then I'm good to go for another couple of years. It's never even occurred to me to screenshot games or livestream them or watch someone else play. But, again, I'm not part of gamer culture.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Jon boat for sale...do you think this is real or a prank?

"Recently seen on CBC and many other news outlets in Canada. Asking $5000 due to its 'celebrity status'."

14' Jon Boat | Powerboats & Motorboats | Thompson | Kijiji

 

[NJSleuth91]

You're welcome! Trying to poke around Twitch for their accounts, too. LOL I also saw a reference to a YouTube channel for KM in a mainstream news source where they would livestream their game play but have turned up empty on that so far.

My guess is Youtube took the channel down if they knew about it...can't be getting that bad press now can we?

It's crazy! But I remember you had wondered if they were trying to re-enact a video game. Maybe they were.

I don't think it can be ruled out as a possibility, either that the video games they played were a reflection of their long-standing interest in this topic, or that these video games were an "inspiration" to them with the details of how they carried this whole thing out. JMO.

Also noticed on Bryer's Steam account it lists his location as "Atemar, Mordovia, Russian Federation." Now that is weirdly specific.

From Wikipedia:
Mordovia - Wikipedia
"The Republic of Mordovia is a federal subject of Russia (a republic)."

Saransk - Wikipedia
"The Russian fortress Atemar, founded in 1641, took its name from a nearby Mordvin village; at the time the fortress stood on the southeastern frontier of the Tsardom of Russia."

I guess that kind of answers our question to if either of these two read and what they might have been reading. Like...who just randomly knows about that kind of thing?

 

[Gina20]

On Wednesday, Hackett said the force had “anticipated charges were going to be laid.”

“In order to get to the threshold of charge approval status from a crime perspective, they require information, they require evidence, and many times as in this case (were) relying on forensic evidence and forensic reports and that sometimes takes some time,” he said.

“And understandably, until they have definitive results of those examinations, they’re not in any position to lay charges until that happens.

“But we anticipated the charges were going to be laid,” he said.

Northern B.C. manhunt ends, with many questions left unanswered

It could mean that there is no DNA placing them at the scene "yet", or that they cannot be placed at the scene at all.

I sincerely hope that there will be more disclosure forthcoming, because what the public knows now does little to allay fears and lingering doubts. The public needs to know more, after three weeks of telling everyone in the entire country to remain on high alert, the involvement of our national Public Safety Minister and the great investment of public funds. From all appearances, this was treated as a matter of national security. For it to end with no further information? Not good. If our national security was at risk, why are we not allowed to know?

 

[Peace777]

I know a male (19) that lives in his room in a basement, grandmoms home, playing games/on line/depressed/in therapy/very negative attitude. Comes up to get food and returns. He’s allowed to do as he pleases, it’s sick/disgusting.

Hmm I'd be leery around that guy. Sad just hope he's not 1 who will go and do any evil acts in real life. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Why isn't the professor's cause of death being released? It seems weird to me.

The family does not want the cause of death released, and because of privacy law the RCMP cannot release that information without their consent.