Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Schmoosh]

So much can be imagined based on a key in the dirt near a burned vehicle, but better to rely on facts.

Also, that's what evidence photos are for You don't necessarily have to have the keys, and the forensic analysis report would have been "Ok, so we tested charred metal things with plastic that look exactly like keys and...yeap, they're keys!"

 

[Kubirai]

"Assume"? A few calls to local owners and then no further investigation?

We don't know how RCMP checked that tip, but anyone who wants to investigate all bearded men driving Jeep Cherokees pose a greater danger.

 

[deebs]

I found this link via 60 Minutes Australia Twitter. It appears interview was done this week in Surrey, B.C. -- at least the portion discussed in this link.

Reporter states AS seems accepting BS is deceased, but questioning all the facts, and defending his son until proven otherwise - 'I won't say my son's a murderer'. AS seems to think the teens would have come home and told family what happened.

Father of accused Canadian teen killer defends his son after bodies found

60 Minutes Australia‏Verified account @60Mins
In a #60Mins exclusive interview, the father of dead 18-year-old Bryer Schmegelsky reveals shocking new evidence about the fugitives. How did the so-called "quiet teenagers" become suspected killers?
3:28 PM - 8 Aug 2019

Father of accused Canadian teen killer defends his son after bodies found

How disgusting, but totally unsurprising from these vultures.

 

[srper2]

Where is the lovely person who brought donuts to one of the earliest threads here? I think we all need some at the moment! We are all getting a good sleuth list of questions here related to the case!

 

[scrappinkat]

Apparently the Australian press had a reporter stalking him for the last 2 weeks, and that reporter was with him when he was told his son had died. The Australians seem to think his raw reaction is fair game for TV, but it is pure exploitation.

"60 Minutes reporter Sarah Abo has spent the last two weeks with Alan Schmegelsky as the distressed father grappled with questions about his son's last days alive.

Abo and her team were with him in the minutes after he received news the bodies of his son and 19-year-old Kam McLeod had been discovered."

Father of accused Canadian teen killer defends his son after bodies found

 

[Kubirai]

Could it be that no one from the RCMP went to the site of the burnt Rav4 until the keys became an issue in the news?

Yes, that is my guess. Every found key should be given to local police. I am surprised that we are justifying keys left on the road.

Keys allow access to your home or office. Imagine these were your keys.

 

[Schmoosh]

Where is the lovely person who brought donuts to one of the earliest threads here? I think we all need some at the moment! We are all getting a good sleuth list of questions here related to the case!

Personally, I have only one question: Why?

 

[copkid]

Or more importantly if a key has been added to the bunch which belongs to the now dead inhabitants of a remote cabin along their way or to a storage locker that contains their manifesto. Each key needs to be accounted for. All likely harmless but who knows.

Possibly some keys belonging to Lucas & Chynna?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The request to not publish images of their location wasn’t a request to never publish it was a request to not publish in real time which as far as I know all media complied with. Media couldn’t get images out in real time anyway due to the cell service limitations at York Landing. Trust me I was there. It’s further evidenced by the cop who had to shoot in to the ground to communicate as their radios barely even worked there.

The request was for officer safety, revealing the locations hours later isn’t an issue.

The area of the body retrieval was secured for officer safety. Collecting forensic evidence puts officers in a vulnerable position essentially as sitting ducks. They don’t want to be ambushed. They also don’t want anyone knowing the bodies have been found until next of kin can be notified.

The police didn’t have the RAV4 scene secured. Securing a scene involves maintaining a 24 hour police presence which once the car was removed they did not do.

Perhaps this case will give substance to request to upper management in private and public sector that they need satellite phones.

Depending on cell service in an area that is remote, is so dangerous for everyone involved and needs to be remedied in my opinion for law enforcement and media who may travel to such. Hopefully your upper management will rectify the lacking of your satellite phones.

 

[ldlager]

This is so crazy how the heck did it not become waterlogged and sink? or get hung up on something? What is the distance Otto?

There is no evidence that I am aware of that links the sleeping bag to the fugitives. Sleeping bags can’t swim 100 km

 

[otto]

Without collecting all potential evidence facts can be missed. That is my point.

The RCMP are investigating 3 murders. They had identified the suspects. They were searching for the suspects. There's evidence related to the investigation, and then there's other artifacts like sardines tins. I see no reason to assume that RCMP are incompetent when they do not explain their investigative decisions to bystanders.

 

[srper2]

What is important in a murder investigation is not to cherry-pick evidence at the scene.

What kind of forensic investigator leaves some evidence behind, making a judgment call to select only certain things of their choice? What authority do they have to do that? Heck, maybe they even brought an orange for a snack and tossed the peels in an evidence bag, after snacking on half-eaten pork chops.

Yes, if this is how it went at that crime scene, what has been ignored, cherry-picked, left behind or disposed of from the other crime scenes as well?

 

[ldlager]

Intervened as in told RCMP who to consider as suspects and how to pick and choose the evidence to prove it? As in "Ignore the keys!, " shouted Ralph Goodale as he slammed the receiver down on the simpering Assistant Commissioner.?

Ahhhh Satchie, I see you know the Assistant Commissioner.....

 

[srper2]

The RCMP are investigating 3 murders. They had identified the suspects. They were searching for the suspects. There's evidence related to the investigation, and then there's other artifacts like sardines tins. I see no reason to assume that RCMP are incompetent when they do not explain their investigative decisions to bystanders.

When they appear to be in complete contrast to basic expectations of how to deal with a crime scene and the evidence within and around it, people will worry. They are still "suspects" in the murder of Chynna and Lucas, so until they provide definitive evidence, I will consider there should also be other suspects. We are not in the 1400's here, where someone cries "witch" and the person they accuse is automatically burnt!

 

[Gina20]

As I recall, the priority was making sure no one else, including LE, was killed by these two guys. They also wanted to capturing them alive. As I recall, large numbers of LE were patrolling the area, with weapons, dogs, airplanes and boats. There was all the logistics of getting hundreds of people up there, housing them, feeding them, getting all the equipment up there, interviewing people, setting up road blocks, collecting masses of information, creating search plans and systematcally mapping everything they did.

Meanwhile, the media were standing around, eating beef jerky and taking a few photos. But they found a pair of keys! And saved us all from those incompetent police idiots. Thank god we have journalists to save the day, our heroes.

I don't believe all that happened until after the burnt RAV4 was found. The car was torched, then the big search team arrived. They were not there ahead of BS and KM.

The question is simple: did the RCMP ever visit the scene where the RAV4 burned, or did they just pack up the vehicle at the towing lot and send it away? Beginning to doubt that any forensic team went to the ditch and roadway until recently.

 

[otto]

Well that's the thing. The RCMP did their job and they collected their paychecks, like any other worker. Frankly, there is no question in my mind that a roofer or a framer works harder than they do. So where's the accolades for the roofer or framer, who provide shelter for folks to live in? I asked before and I'll ask again: what did the RCMP do that was "great," as so many back-patters are saying? The most anybody could say is they put up with the bugs. Like the locals don't do that each and every day.

RCMP had one job: locate the 2 young men who murdered 3 people in BC. Job done.

 

[Kubirai]

110 km (nearly 70 miles). There's no way it was connected to the suspects.

A rolled up sleeping bag in a synthetic case could have travelled that far. If real, it could have belonged to the fugitives or Prof. Dyck or even Lucas Fowler or Chynna Dease.

 

[srper2]

We don't know how RCMP checked that tip, but anyone who wants to investigate all bearded men driving Jeep Cherokees pose a greater danger.

Because it was easier to find pics of Kam and Bryer on security videos than search for the jeep and the bearded man, that is ok to not bother about? I truly hope LE aren't basing their investigation on what is easiest for them to follow and it doesn't appear that this has been the case. It just seems some important aspects have been ignored, kept secret or not followed up.

 

[10ofRods]

Possibly some keys belonging to Lucas & Chynna?

When we discussed this intensively several days ago, a mechanic (and others) weighed in that the car key was clearly a Toyota key. It is in fact identical to the key I had made as an extra for my Toyota, so I have no reason to disagree.

The other keys look like file cabinet keys (or perhaps other cabinets), a house key, and then, there's a leatherman tool (which botanists like and carry).

The keys were found outside a Toyota RAV4, IIRC. The van was not stolen and didn't work, so it makes little sense for K/B to carry around an extra set of keys (they could have just taken the leatherman tool).

It seems really obvious that the keys are to the burned RAV4, as they were also burned and at the same locale. No DNA or fingerprints would be preserved, so...who knows? I doubt the RCMP is going to go to a lot of trouble to identify keys further.

Now that the keys are, presumably, in evidence (or did the reporter keep them?) I would think that RCMP would know whether they were the professor's keys. They sure aren't going to tell the public, in any case.

 

[Zella]

Apparently the Australian press had a reporter stalking him for the last 2 weeks, and that reporter was with him when he was told his son had died. The Australians seem to think his raw reaction is fair game for TV, but it is pure exploitation.

"60 Minutes reporter Sarah Abo has spent the last two weeks with Alan Schmegelsky as the distressed father grappled with questions about his son's last days alive.

Abo and her team were with him in the minutes after he received news the bodies of his son and 19-year-old Kam McLeod had been discovered."

Father of accused Canadian teen killer defends his son after bodies found

Good Lord. I know AS is an adult who consented to this, but that makes me really uncomfortable. And sad that he didn't have anybody he really knew to be with him at that moment.