Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[copkid]

Actually, in the middle of the night? Yes, I certainly do. I don't know what the weather was like on the overnight of the 15.16th, but at the best of times and especially if there was also cloud cover, it would be pitch black, illuminated only by directional headlights and possibly a flashlight. From the published photograph - and no, I don't wish to post that dreadful link - but as I recall, the bodies were down a grassy slope away from their van. Quite visible in daylight, but easily not seen at night. IMOO.

It is unbelievably dark out in a remote area like this. Us that live in remote areas say, "it is so dark, you can't see your hand in front of your face" and that is a true statement.
If it was cloudy and there were no stars or bright moon and Lucas & Chynna both being dressed in black clothing, and they were away from the van, they could have not been seen.
I am not supporting the idea that it did happen but I can't logically dispute that it didn't, because it is possible. JMO

 

[Schmoosh]

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[MistyWaters]

If they were simulating Rust they would have been found running around naked with buckets on their heads punching wolves.
Seriously. What has happened is Nothing like that game. I know why people are taking it that way, but unless you have played it yourself(and yes, I am just assuming Ross McLean has never played it but I could be wrong) I don't feel that one can link it to this at all. Personal opinion.

If they were running around naked they might not only be simulating Rust depending on the cause of death.

“People in the final stages of hypothermia engage in "paradoxical undressing" because, as they lose rationality and their nerves are damaged, they feel incredibly, irrationally hot. They strip off their clothes to cool themselves down as they are freezing to death...”
https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-freezing-to-death-makes-you-want-to-get-naked-1688151366

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Wow I can’t believe he let that slip!

Maybe he did it on purpose knowing the public is chomping at the bit to know and knowing people don't want to wait the whole weekend or longer to confirm their end. Still surprised though!

 

[LadyL]

I'm guessing it's this...

On May 10, four days after Tim Bosma disappeared, Mr. Millard was arrested. As he was handcuffed and led away from his SUV, the key to Mr. Bosma’s truck dangled on his keychain in the ignition.

How Ontario serial killer Dellen Millard slipped through the cracks

thanks for posting
that gave me the willies
I am familiar with the case, just never read that detail before

 

[10ofRods]

What do people do with an air soft gun?

In theory, play "air soft games." But if the gun is .177 caliber (as many are) and are the "sniper" variety (velocity is too high to be sold to minors or used in games in UK, Canada and US), then you can put metal or plastic BB's into them and shoot varmints. Or shoot at watermelons or tin cans or stop signs.

Low velocity air guns sold in Canada are supposed to have an orange barrel. The one Bryer is holding (last year's Christmas present) in the one photo does not appear to have an orange barrel. But, if it was purchased by an adult with a PAL (or off ebay or whatever) and given as a gift, then I am guessing that was not exactly legal to do. I don't know Canada weapons laws except that in Canada and UK, orange muzzles are required for "air soft play." There are air soft tournaments through North America and in UK (and probably elsewhere), and people wear face and eye protection, and use plastic ammo.

But, people also go hunting with them, simply swapping out the plastic ammo for metal ammo of the same size. This one:

https://www.amazon.com/Gamo-Rifle-S...un-20&linkId=42ec27258f5058f9c26e739d030ea904

for example is way way above the muzzle velocity allowable for kids to play with in Canada or US or UK. But, you don't need a gun license to buy one in the US. You can buy it on Amazon (even in California).

People mostly use higher caliber air guns for hunting (you can check it out on youtube or just google it).

We've been given a few airsoft guns (all .177, which I didn't know until today and all "designed" to work with plastic pellets, but we have only metal ammo for them - the kid who gave us the guns used metal ammo). We use them for target practice. One of ours is pretty powerful and I would not want to be shot in the ear with it point blank, frankly.

Bryer was supposedly very specific about which gun he wanted. If it's one of the 1000-1200 fps "sniper" or "shot gun" style air guns, it could be used to harm something, perhaps even to kill (people hunt with them). These types of "airsoft" guns are above the legal limit in terms of muzzle power to be used in airsoft games (or to be sold to kids). Canada requires a PAL to purchase one (not sure at what fps that requirement kicks in). But they are available at swap meets throughout the American West, can be disassembled pretty easily, and packed in a pretty ordinary duffle bag.

Bryer and his air gun here:

https://browse.startpage.com/do/sho...sp=ea6df27905c9da852c760d47b86d16eb&t=default

I don't think it was the murder weapon, but I am not sure that a gun was used as the murder weapon in the first place (they also had a knife).

 

[MassGuy]

Pretty sure they won’t be putting him in front of the camera anymore!

Ha! I’m glad they did.

The implication was absolutely clear there.

They ended this on their own.

 

[SnooperDuper]

It is unbelievably dark out in a remote area like this. Us that live in remote areas say, "it is so dark, you can't see your hand in front of your face" and that is a true statement.
If it was cloudy and there were no stars or bright moon and Lucas & Chynna both being dressed in black clothing, and they were awag frombthe van, they could have not been seen.
I am not supporting the idea that it did happen but I can't logically dispute that it didn't, because it is possible. JMO

There was a full moon on the 16th so it likely wasn't as dark as all that.

 

[Zella]

Maybe he did it on purpose knowing the public is chomping at the bit to know and knowing people don't want to wait the whole weekend or longer to confirm their end. Still surprised though!

I think he totally, knowingly threw us a bone. Though, yes, it surprises me, too. Hope he doesn't get into too much trouble over it.

 

[Zella]

In theory, play "air soft games." But if the gun is .177 caliber (as many are) and are the "sniper" variety (velocity is too high to be sold to minors or used in games in UK, Canada and US), then you can put metal or plastic BB's into them and shoot varmints. Or shoot at watermelons or tin cans or stop signs.

Low velocity air guns sold in Canada are supposed to have an orange barrel. The one Bryer is holding (last year's Christmas present) in the one photo does not appear to have an orange barrel. But, if it was purchased by an adult with a PAL (or off ebay or whatever) and given as a gift, then I am guessing that was not exactly legal to do. I don't know Canada weapons laws except that in Canada and UK, orange muzzles are required for "air soft play." There are air soft tournaments through North America and in UK (and probably elsewhere), and people wear face and eye protection, and use plastic ammo.

But, people also go hunting with them, simply swapping out the plastic ammo for metal ammo of the same size. This one:

https://www.amazon.com/Gamo-Rifle-S...un-20&linkId=42ec27258f5058f9c26e739d030ea904

for example is way way above the muzzle velocity allowable for kids to play with in Canada or US or UK. But, you don't need a gun license to buy one in the US. You can buy it on Amazon (even in California).

People mostly use higher caliber air guns for hunting (you can check it out on youtube or just google it).

We've been given a few airsoft guns (all .177, which I didn't know until today and all "designed" to work with plastic pellets, but we have only metal ammo for them - the kid who gave us the guns used metal ammo). We use them for target practice. One of ours is pretty powerful and I would not want to be shot in the ear with it point blank, frankly.

Bryer was supposedly very specific about which gun he wanted. If it's one of the 1000-1200 fps "sniper" or "shot gun" style air guns, it could be used to harm something, perhaps even to kill (people hunt with them). These types of "airsoft" guns are above the legal limit in terms of muzzle power to be used in airsoft games (or to be sold to kids). Canada requires a PAL to purchase one (not sure at what fps that requirement kicks in). But they are available at swap meets throughout the American West, can be disassembled pretty easily, and packed in a pretty ordinary duffle bag.

Bryer and his air gun here:

https://browse.startpage.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=https://images.dailykos.com/images/700484/large/BryerSchmegelsky-Gun.jpeg?1564158393&sp=ea6df27905c9da852c760d47b86d16eb&t=default

I don't think it was the murder weapon, but I am not sure that a gun was used as the murder weapon in the first place (they also had a knife).

It just dawned on me, but I wonder who took that picture of him with it. Was it dad after he gave him the gift? Was it Kam before one of their simulated war games?

 

[CanadianMade]

And yes that is the correct title! I keep getting the sequence of words confused.

It's a pretty ridiculous title so I can certainly see why!

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I’ll be surprised if the RCMP make a statement about the autopsy over the weekend, and in any event the pathologist may be waiting for test results. If it was murder/suicide, there would also be ballistics issues to sort out.

In the unlikely event that someone here doesn’t know it already, the CBC interviewed Schmegelsky’s great uncle last night, and it’s on YouTube at the CBC National channel. Looks like the great uncle, who comes off as quite normal/rational, is now talking for the family.

The Global interview that people are talking about confirms that the RCMP won’t be making a statement about the autopsy until next week.

Having listened to the interview, I think that reading murder/suicide into it is speculative. The officer’s opinion, undoubtedly well grounded, that McLeod and Schmegelsky decided that they couldn’t go further is consistent with, but doesn’t mean, suicide. If suicide, it also doesn’t necessarily mean that a gun was used.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Pretty sure they won’t be putting him in front of the camera anymore!

I hope he doesn't get in trouble for that! I for one appreciated that he let it slip.

I'm catching up but sounds like speculation of suicide for the guys. If so, sounds they might've still had ammo but were stuck and at a dead end.

Also, would they count to 3 to do at the same time or murder/suicide? Reminds me of that movie Elephant (I saw many years ago) that was partly based on the Columbine boys. In the movie there was the more leader boy who just decided to shoot his friend/shooting partner but there was no pact, he just decided to shoot his buddy too. Chilling movie, still holds up sadly all these years later.

Well that depends on if they had more than one gun. If they only had one, I guess they would have to do it one after the other. If so, what an unpleasant end seeing your lifelong best friend kill himself and then killing yourself with the same gun that was probably covered in his blood and stuff. I think they got their punishment for what they did. (Sorry if that's a gory description, but...hey, this is a murder spree, the details aren't going to be pleasant.)

I definitely think it was a mutual decision. I mean, realistically, what options did they have at that point? And if only one of them did it, then the other would be in this horrible environment completely alone, and probably wouldn't last long either. As I have said many times I think they were bound to each other, or in the street parlance, "ride or die" (literally). If it comes out that one of them was shot by the other, I'm going to think it's because the one was too scared to do it himself (ironic!) and asked the other to do it for him.

 

[JudgeJudi]

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[Jessthinkin]

The Global interview that people are talking about confirms that the RCMP won’t be making a statement about the autopsy until next week.

Having listened to the interview, I think that reading murder/suicide into it is speculative. His opinion that McLeod and Schmegelsky decided that they couldn’t go further is consistent with, but doesn’t mean, suicide.

Ok, but later in the interview he said something along the lines of the autopsies confirming whether COD was homicide or suicide. That’s pretty telling...

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I think he totally, knowingly threw us a bone. Though, yes, it surprises me, too. Hope he doesn't get into too much trouble over it.

Yes that's the phrase to perfectly describe it, throwing us a bone indeed!

They are probably just glad it's over and the whole social media/media blitz too, I mean it's been a bit crazy. With Oak Bay Police being informal on Twitter about the manhunt (which I loved) and now this guy dropping a major hint, they probably are sick of all the speculating going on.

 

[olivebpa1]

The Global interview that people are talking about confirms that the RCMP won’t be making a statement about the autopsy until next week.

Having listened to the interview, I think that reading murder/suicide into it is speculative. The officer’s opinion, undoubtedly well grounded, that McLeod and Schmegelsky decided that they couldn’t go further is consistent with, but doesn’t mean, suicide.

Did you watch the longer version of the interview that was posted? He actually says the autopsy will confirm whether it was homicide or self-inflicted .

 

[sandbar]

In theory, play "air soft games." But if the gun is .177 caliber (as many are) and are the "sniper" variety (velocity is too high to be sold to minors or used in games in UK, Canada and US), then you can put metal or plastic BB's into them and shoot varmints. Or shoot at watermelons or tin cans or stop signs.

Low velocity air guns sold in Canada are supposed to have an orange barrel. The one Bryer is holding (last year's Christmas present) in the one photo does not appear to have an orange barrel. But, if it was purchased by an adult with a PAL (or off ebay or whatever) and given as a gift, then I am guessing that was not exactly legal to do. I don't know Canada weapons laws except that in Canada and UK, orange muzzles are required for "air soft play." There are air soft tournaments through North America and in UK (and probably elsewhere), and people wear face and eye protection, and use plastic ammo.

But, people also go hunting with them, simply swapping out the plastic ammo for metal ammo of the same size. This one:

https://www.amazon.com/Gamo-Rifle-S...un-20&linkId=42ec27258f5058f9c26e739d030ea904

for example is way way above the muzzle velocity allowable for kids to play with in Canada or US or UK. But, you don't need a gun license to buy one in the US. You can buy it on Amazon (even in California).

People mostly use higher caliber air guns for hunting (you can check it out on youtube or just google it).

We've been given a few airsoft guns (all .177, which I didn't know until today and all "designed" to work with plastic pellets, but we have only metal ammo for them - the kid who gave us the guns used metal ammo). We use them for target practice. One of ours is pretty powerful and I would not want to be shot in the ear with it point blank, frankly.

Bryer was supposedly very specific about which gun he wanted. If it's one of the 1000-1200 fps "sniper" or "shot gun" style air guns, it could be used to harm something, perhaps even to kill (people hunt with them). These types of "airsoft" guns are above the legal limit in terms of muzzle power to be used in airsoft games (or to be sold to kids). Canada requires a PAL to purchase one (not sure at what fps that requirement kicks in). But they are available at swap meets throughout the American West, can be disassembled pretty easily, and packed in a pretty ordinary duffle bag.

Bryer and his air gun here:

https://browse.startpage.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=https://images.dailykos.com/images/700484/large/BryerSchmegelsky-Gun.jpeg?1564158393&sp=ea6df27905c9da852c760d47b86d16eb&t=default

I don't think it was the murder weapon, but I am not sure that a gun was used as the murder weapon in the first place (they also had a knife).

Thanks for that info. I was saying that I re-watched the interview with the fella who waited with C&L and he said that L had a little wound in his hip or hip area. I speculated that maybe that's the link between the cases. Not as the CoD, more like a signature.

 

[jmcgladr]

If they were simulating Rust they would have been found running around naked with buckets on their heads punching wolves.
Seriously. What has happened is Nothing like that game. I know why people are taking it that way, but unless you have played it yourself(and yes, I am just assuming Ross McLean has never played it but I could be wrong) I don't feel that one can link it to this at all. Personal opinion.

Never played the game myself (not my type of game) but I’m pretty sure there must be different ways of playing the game that don’t involve running around naked with buckets on one’s head punching wolves.

Maybe some of those other ways of playing have more similarity to the real-life actions of McLeod and Schmegelsky.

At any rate, Schmegelsky made statements to former friends expressing a desire for video games to be real. He was clearly disturbed, and to such people violent video games can have more effect than on saner individuals. JMO

 

[Moonlitnight]

you really think someone could pull over and not see the two bodies lying where they were
that someone would have to be very unobservant IMO
not that that has anything to do with my original statement

Plus, it never really gets pitch black up there. More like twilight.