Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[MassGuy]

Did you watch the longer version of the interview that was posted? He actually says the autopsy will confirm whether it was homicide or self-inflicted .

I’m with you. This isn’t a slip you make for no reason, and I’d have to stretch to think he meant anything other than suicide by gunshot.

 

[Zella]

I hope he doesn't get in trouble for that! I for one appreciated that he let it slip.



Well that depends on if they had more than one gun. If they only had one, I guess they would have to do it one after the other. If so, what an unpleasant end seeing your lifelong best friend kill himself and then killing yourself with the same gun that was probably covered in his blood and stuff. I think they got their punishment for what they did. (Sorry if that's a gory description, but...hey, this is a murder spree, the details aren't going to be pleasant.)

I definitely think it was a mutual decision. I mean, realistically, what options did they have at that point? And if only one of them did it, then the other would be in this horrible environment completely alone, and probably wouldn't last long either. As I have said many times I think they were bound to each other, or in the street parlance, "ride or die" (literally). If it comes out that one of them was shot by the other, I'm going to think it's because the one was too scared to do it himself (ironic!) and asked the other to do it for him.

Yes, I think if it is technically a murder-suicide, it's really more like a suicide-assisted suicide, if that makes sense.

 

[Link Haze]

Wow, I am surprised he said that. Good interview, though. He was very informative. I also liked how you could see the bugs hitting the camera to drive home the point about the insects.

As NJSleuth91 stated, I also noted how he said "was it homicide, was it suicide?" Sounds like a giveaway to me.

 

[CanadianMade]

Never played the game myself (not my type of game) but I’m pretty sure there must be different ways of playing the game that don’t involve running around naked with buckets on one’s head punching wolves.

Maybe some of those other ways of playing have more similarity to the real-life actions of McLeod and Schmegelsky.

At any rate, Schmegelsky made statements to former friends expressing a desire for video games to be real. He was clearly disturbed, and to such people violent video games can have more effect than on saner individuals. JMO

If you play it you will understand exactly what I have said and really know why I say it.

As to the comments he made to his "friends" in seventh grade, I tend to avoid basing my opinions on hearsay so those are really of no interest to me. Not trying to be rude. Just the way I see things and my opinions.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I hope he doesn't get in trouble for that! I for one appreciated that he let it slip.



Well that depends on if they had more than one gun. If they only had one, I guess they would have to do it one after the other. If so, what an unpleasant end seeing your lifelong best friend kill himself and then killing yourself with the same gun that was probably covered in his blood and stuff. I think they got their punishment for what they did. (Sorry if that's a gory description, but...hey, this is a murder spree, the details aren't going to be pleasant.)

I definitely think it was a mutual decision. I mean, realistically, what options did they have at that point? And if only one of them did it, then the other would be in this horrible environment completely alone, and probably wouldn't last long either. As I have said many times I think they were bound to each other, or in the street parlance, "ride or die" (literally). If it comes out that one of them was shot by the other, I'm going to think it's because the one was too scared to do it himself (ironic!) and asked the other to do it for him.

I think they must've had a pact as well. Wouldn't be a plot twist if the dominant one decided to end for both instead of agreement though? I think it's doubtful, that's more a movie thing I think and they probably made a deal with eachother after the first murder. I guess they could've hung themselves if they were out of ammo too.

I have to say I'm glad they didn't have a big standoff with locals or RCMP and more lives lost. The whole thing is just tragic really no matter how you cut it.

 

[srper2]

Pus, it never really gets pitch black up there. More like twilight.

I don't live anywhere near there, but I am now getting confused, some say it can be pitch black, then some saying that it never gets dark?

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I think if it is technically a murder-suicide, it's really more like a suicide-assisted suicide, if that makes sense.

It’s also possible that they each took turns killing themselves, or they did it with separate weapons, at the same time.

 

[musicaljoke]

Ok, but later in the interview he said something along the lines of the autopsies confirming whether COD was homicide or suicide. That’s pretty telling...

Do you recall, and did I hear it correctly, that in the last RCMP press conference from Manitoba, the RCMP officer mentioned that they are investigating the deaths of the two suspects as though they were homicides? Was it when she was answering a question that she said something like that? Please don't quote this as gospel. I will take some time to try to find it and give it another listen. At the time, I was a bit taken aback by the comment and assumed I had misunderstood.

 

[LadyL]

In the dark, with no street lights, down an embankment in a ditch? I think that someone laying flat, not moving or making any noise could easily be missed

Actually, in the middle of the night? Yes, I certainly do. I don't know what the weather was like on the overnight of the 15.16th, but at the best of times and especially if there was also cloud cover, it would be pitch black, illuminated only by directional headlights and possibly a flashlight. From the published photograph - and no, I don't wish to post that dreadful link - but as I recall, the bodies were down a grassy slope away from their van. Quite visible in daylight, but easily not seen at night. IMOO.

I would have to see the photos again but I would not characterize the position of their bodies as being down an embankment, in a ditch, or down a grassy slope. From what I remember there is a grassy area beside the van but no hill or slope or ditch. I just looked and did not find a photo and dont have the time to look further right now.

Pus, it never really gets pitch black up there. More like twilight.

thank you - did not know that

 

[Zella]

It’s also possible that they each took turns killing themselves, or they did it with separate weapons, at the same time.

Yes, I think any of these 3 scenarios--suicide with separate weapons, suicide one-at-a-time with the same weapon, or "helping" the one kill himself and then committing suicide--are plausible.

What an utterly grim ending.

 

[Zella]

Do you recall, and did I hear it correctly, that in the last RCMP press conference from Manitoba, the RCMP officer mentioned that they are investigating the deaths of the two suspects as though they were homicides? Was it when she was answering a question that she said something like that? Please don't quote this as gospel. I will take some time to try to find it and give it another listen. At the time, I was a bit taken aback by the comment and assumed I had misunderstood.

I remember hearing that, too, and cannot remember where!

 

[copkid]

There was a full moon on the 16th so it likely wasn't as dark as all that.

It would truly depend on the cloud cover at the time. The moon may not have been visible at all. I have no way of knowing for sure. JMO

 

[missy1974]

One of the motels is owned by an Indian family, it’s home to the only restaurant in town. The menu consists mostly of mediocre burgers, wings, and quesadillas but the Indian food cooked by grandma is no joke some of the best I have ever eaten.

Hypothetically the locals wouldn’t mind the police and media presence. If I was there I would imagine that locals would think the media was a bit of a curiosity and would have enjoyed sharing stories about life in the area. In theory the police would mostly be pretty cordial with the media, I would imagine some of the specialized units didn’t like being photographed but I will refrain from claiming to be there as apparently that’s not kosher. My opinion would be that some police where much chattier than others and could be considered a background source as referenced in some of my past posts. Again this is all in my imagination haha

Some locals may have even been upset to see us go, those with businesses hypothetically would have appreciated the extra money too.

I'm sure the locals were sad to see the money go since it's not really a tourist destination (or wasn't )... but happy to get back to normal. JMO

 

[sandbar]

I remember hearing that, too, and cannot remember where!

That's kinda cop talk for finding anyone in the woods.
Unlike us, RCMP can't assume, and have to investigate. It's standard practice.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I think any of these 3 scenarios--suicide with separate weapons, suicide one-at-a-time with the same weapon, or "helping" the one kill himself and then committing suicide--are plausible.

What an utterly grim ending.

You call it “grim.”

I’d call it “fitting.”

“We’ll just go out and kill three people, destroy countless lives, and then end it all in utterly miserable conditions in the woods.”

Lovely.

 

[Link Haze]

Ok, but later in the interview he said something along the lines of the autopsies confirming whether COD was homicide or suicide. That’s pretty telling...

Yup!

 

[Moonlitnight]

I don't live anywhere near there, but I am now getting confused, some say it can be pitch black, then some saying that it never gets dark?

The further North you go, the less dark it becomes, especially in the summer.

 

[LadyL]

You call it “grim.”

I’d call it “fitting.”

“We’ll just go out and kill three people, destroy countless lives, and then end it all in utterly miserable conditions in the woods.”

Lovely.

I would rather have seen the elements get them. I hate that they may have had the ability to choose their death.

 

[Zella]

That's kinda cop talk for finding anyone in the woods.
Unlike us, RCMP can't assume, and have to investigate. It's standard practice.

That makes sense--thank you!

You call it “grim.”

I’d call it “fitting.”

“We’ll just go out and kill three people, destroy countless lives, and then end it all in utterly miserable conditions in the woods.”

Lovely.

I can see that, but the whole case has just made me so sad that I can't derive any satisfaction from their suicides (if that is in fact what happened). 5 deaths and 5 destroyed families for nothing.

 

[MassGuy]

I would rather have seen the elements get them. I hate that they may have had the ability to choose their death.

True, but I’m sure they had been miserable for quite a while.

Wet, cold, eaten alive by bugs.